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Box and one

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Have been going over my notes the past few yrs and then looking back at ats records[3 yrs]and made a few observations.
Many times poor coaching effects the outcome of a game.Some coaches prepare better then others,some are better reacting to whats going on in a game.Some can adjust better.,etc,etc.
Having coached all my life I see so many fundamentally things going on in games that has me mystified.Now maybe it's been always there with cable TV and so many games on I'm seeing it more.I just see so many mistakes during games by players.
As a coach I blame the coachs.The greatest speaking coach at clinics is Hubie Brown.No one could come close to him.he preached when your kid does something stupid out there look in the mirror.You allowed it in practice,you didn't go over it,etc,etc.
The other nite I'm watching Pitt-Hall.Pitt has a 19 pt lead and Orr runs a diamond press.Pitt never attacks the press.Intead they throw the ball in the corner and get trapped.Thats what I want if I'm on defense.You can reverse the ball quickly to the passer-to the weak side fd or gd,and then look for a flasher going to the middle.Or you can flash to one of 3 spots and go over the top of the zone.I couldn't see what the middle man of the diamond was doing because the TV never gives you the full ct but Lenny Elmore repeated about 5 times"why not go over the press"So that means the halls middle man was cheating up.
Now howland is a good coach.but I have no clue on what he was doing.And I never saw a pitt player flash.They just stood in the corner and recieved the ball. The hall ate them up.
The Johnnies game the other day.Fouling the 3 pt. shooter,or BC last week having no play with 3 seconds left.or Braswell taking 3's to end the game 3 times.At one pt Sweets never touched the ball inside in the OT's before he fouled out.
And why not put 2 guys on Hatten at the end of the game when their taking it out. he's the only guy on the floor not to foul. UCLA lets buchanon get 2 or 3 good looks at the end of a game with a 3 or 4 pt lead with 30 seconds left.
And in the Johnnies game they get 5 uncontested layups on the fly pattern vs Conn.Plus calhouns T's gives them 6 str pts.Unreal.Now calhoun is a good coach.he is the best rebounding teacher in the country.When he was at Northeastern he led the nation in rebounding for 3 or 4 yrs.And that was with a frontline of all 6'6 guys.Now his Conn. team can't rebound.

Anyway sorry if I seem upset.It's just that players have such poor b-ball IQ's and some coaches aren't teaching the fundamentals.The TV announcers are pretty good at seeing these things but they "sugar coat" it.you have to read between the lines but they do address the short comings.

If you look at the ats records of some schools the past 3 yrs you see some top notch coaches.
Coach K at Duke has one of the best ats records the past 3 yrs.But you would be surprised to see how many good coaches have poor ats records.
If I haven't put you people to sleep yet I'll list some of them this week.
 

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Could not agree with you more with respect to coaching. I too, sat in disbelief watching Pitt vs. Hall. I kept thinking to myself Pitt will call for a t.o. & the coach would bring his kids to the bench & find a way to beat the press. Box maybe it's just us, because we are watching so intently or in my case I have Pitt & smoke is coming from my ears, but let me tell you when my wife(who has absolutely no clue when it comes to basketball) says to me "Why doesnt the coach call timeout" after she's been watching for all of 5 minutes - I have to shake my head & see if I'm dreaming. I just don't see enough discipline in the college games I watch which points towards fundamentals. No fundamentals = coaching and preparation.

In my neck of the woods we have to listen to how, Steve Lavin(aka Pat Riley wannabe) has taken his team deep into the tournament year after year. We refer to him as Laughin, because everytime a game gets tight he jumps up & down like a cheeleader when a call doesn't go their way. I'm not saying he's not passionate but I feel like giving him a set of pom poms & skirt & telling him to go stand with the girls. This team has all the talent in the world but doesn't get near 100% of their potential. If they would run their offense for a complete half & execute like they are capable I would eat my hat. They are incapable of running their offense 3 consecutive times down the court. I SAY WHERE THE HELL IS THE DISCIPLINE!!!!!!!!! This clown is more concerned with the cameras and how he sounds than what happens on the court. It's truly frustrating.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET US SEE BETTER COACHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Agree 100% on the sports IQs of these college players. Its even worse in college football. I'm convinced that the level of fundamentals is actually better in high school, where most of the players realize its the highest level they'll play. Most of the college players seem to rely only on their athleticism; they've probably never watched more than a handful of NFL games, and they don't think w/a team-oriented attitude.
 

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Box, interesting discussion on coaches and ATS. I can't wait to see what happens with Spurrier and the Skins.
Question for you if you post plays today. Many seem to think N. Texas has no chance tonight- what do you think?
 
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Moman not too interupt, but i like it when NT seems to have no chance what so ever;)
 

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Hoopa,did lavin have a time out at the end of the Nova game sat? I think he did.And I think the Nova crowd probaly started the countdown a few seconds early.Thats why they threw a desperation shot with 4 seconds left.Lavin was right in front of his player.The bench should of yelled the countdown or call time out.

valuist,at most coaching clinics almost every college coach acknowleges that about HS coaches and teaching fundamentals..

moman-NT has a real good chance to win tonite.just think cagun's have to much inside and with Green hobbled or not playing thats enough for me.
And the Super Pit is not a great home court for NT.It seats about 8,000 and the seats are far from the court.Across the street is the old Pit thats seats 3,400.Play in that gym and NT wins by 10.My 1st 2 yrs there we knocked off louisville and Drake ranked in the top 20.Went 14-0 at home.The old Missouri Valley.Those were the days...
 

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Box....
I sort of understand what you are saying...here'smy twocents worth...Most coaches who were born in the late 40's and on into the 50's (I was born in 1957)....went thru basically a three step process if their goal was to be a coach:
1) Most older coaches played the game or if they didn't were tremendous students ofthe game....read the books by Clair Bee
Hank iba....early Bobby Knight stuff...and so forth...THEN they went and got a head high school job
2) If successful in high school...( or had success motivating Afro-American athletes in the metro areas) then the coach ..usually by going to many clinics and working summer camps (like 5star in pitt. penn.) would acquire "college contacts"....get their foot in the door..and possibly land a head college job...they, then would work their ass off trying to get to all the major clinics to hear what new innovations were sprouting up (like Knight's "shell" defensive concepts and his "motion" offensive concepts..or go hear a west coast coach talk about the "flex" offense..in other words...GOOD college coaches in the 70's and 80's werecultured....in the game, and in the "work-ethic" of the game.
3) if the coach was succesful at the Div.3 r possibly the NAIA level he could then land a "bigger" Div.1 job..BUT, he usaully had a tremendous track record prior to getting the Div. 1 job!

Here's is what the trends in college hoops coaching leans towards today as the Good ole' boys slowly get older and get out..ala Dick Bennett...

1) Look good...where a moc turtleneck...or an Armani suit
2) Prove that you have the abiliy to get on a airplane and go to Vegas, Atlanta and Los Angeles in the summer time and get the most talented kid you can to come to your school..you may not have any loyalty to that school yourself...but if you can say in an interview that you were responsible for bringing in a "big namer"
that's all you need on your resume...
3) Have the right "bigname"coach call for you saying you did a great job and presented yourself well.

AND ...a couple of breaks here and there and now your a head coach...My point being is that there doesn't seem to be that "cultured" guy out there as much these days...basketball coaching is sort of a "meat-market world" with a what-have-you-done-for me-lately mentality....all the fundamentals of teaching the game seem to be being put aside for things like keeping the guys happy so they won't transfer, making sure you get enough ESPN exposure to get the next recruit to come in...and so forth
In closing,Box and One...you bring up a good point..good luck tonight w/ your picks....crib
 
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