comments on the balt/denver game?

pepin46

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if you saw the game, would you give so input. i saw a score around 13-6 at halftime or so, and the final was surprising, to say the least.

any opinions, observations will be appreciated.

txs


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Bronco's took an early 7 point lead on a turnover. Their offense was virtually shut down for the rest of the game. 60 yards rushing and Kennison dropping passes....

Baltimore certainly has a great defense. However, they looked pretty beatable without a running back even against Denver's pourous defense.

Denver wins this game with Ed Mac in the lineup...
 

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Well one thing for sure. The Balt D never gives up on the play. I seen missed tackles or they just miss a sack. They got up and chased right after the play till the play was dead. Lots of times you will see some player miss a sack and the QB takes off. The players just stands and watch. Not these guys they come after you. There D is ready. With new QB getting hot they played well second half. As other teams that play at Denver ware down 4th grt. Balt never did. Thin air did not seem to bother them. It was two very good teams playing a good game. Denver Q B was out of sink second half believe he had two picked off. One forsure and several just about picked off. Sharp had nice day for Balt. Not just catching, but he still can block well also.
 

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I had Denver, but Griese was running for his life most of the game. Baltimore deserved the win. Good defensive game plan.
 

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part of the reason Griese seemed out of sink was Kennison not only dropped passes but he was running some terrible routes. The last interception Griese threw was because the receiver cut his route short.
 

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it was 10-6 at half. ravens gave them a gift 7 points on their first play of the game.....den intercepted and ran it down to the 2 yard line. next play--TD and 7-0

den offence produced double of what they got in last years playoff game. they scored 2 fg's. that's it.

Last season, the Broncos went into the playoffs with an offense that ranked among the NFL's best. But all they could muster against the Ravens was a field goal in a 21-3 loss in an AFC wild-card game in Baltimore.

This time, the Broncos vowed, the result would be different. This time, the Broncos had a healthy Griese running the show and the game would be played on their new home turf, Invesco Field at Mile High.

This time, the Broncos' offense produced two field goals.

Officially, the Broncos' offense scored one touchdown -- on a 3-yard touchdown pass from Griese to tight end Dwayne Carswell -- but it was set up by defensive tackle Chester McGlockton's interception on Baltimore's first play from scrimmage.

"We didn't put it in the end zone; our defense put it in the end zone," Griese said. "That touchdown had nothing to do with us. We scored six points."

And with the Broncos' offense struggling against Baltimore's vaunted defense, Ravens quarterback Elvis Grbac brought his team back from a 13-6 third-quarter deficit with a pair of touchdown passes.

The Broncos entered the much-anticipated AFC showdown averaging 427 yards -- 282 passing, 145 rushing -- and 34.5 points per game. The Ravens held them to 228 total yards, only 61 on the ground. And Baltimore forced three turnovers, including Griese's first two interceptions of the season.

"We had some opportunities early, but we didn't take advantage of it," Broncos coach Mike Shanahan said. "Against a good football team like that, you can't turn the football over and you've got to score when you get the ball inside the 50-yard line.

"You can't beat a good football team and have three turnovers."


Griese completed only 17 of 33 passes for 191 yards and one touchdown. He was sacked five times and spent much of the afternoon scrambling away from the Ravens' pass rush, which had effectively shut down Denver's running game.

Mike Anderson was the Broncos' leading rusher, carrying 12 times for 34 yards.

"It's not just the guys up front, it's everybody on that defense," Broncos tackle Matt Lepsis said. "They all know where they're supposed to be and they all play 100 mph. That's a dangerous combination."

Said tight end Desmond Clark: "Brian didn't have time to read the defense. He was running for his life."
 

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I did not realize how extremely important one WR could be to a team until I watched BALT/DEN. I knew Ed McCaffrey was good, but I didnt realize how good. I am not a DEN fan but I feel the loss that they will endure.
WR Kennison was cut by other teams and yesterday it showed why.
I hope McCaffrey will be back as good next year. He was a pleasure to watch.

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pepin , what I noticed in the game was Griese NOT HAVING ANYONE to throw to. On many of the pass plays he seemed to have time to throw but with noone open the pocket would break down and he would have to scramble for his life. Baltimore's pass rush wasn't spectacular, but did get the job done. It looked to me like Baltimore's secondary were doing an OUTSTANDING job of covering the Den recievers. As a side note, I am NOT a fan of Baltimores(sorry MJ) so my opinion is DEFINITELY not slanted with rose colored glasses. Hope this helps .
 

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jack, good to see you are alive!

is the conclusion then, that in a tightly contested match like this one, that one missing piece made the whole difference? it seems logical.

it is noteworthy to highlight that balt is playing without their star r.b., so the feat was doubly commendable.

it is puzzling, to say the least, that as strong as this defense is, they could drop the game at cinci, even if they might have been looking ahead. a non-cover, a just barely lost game is understandable, but not that final score.

balt aside, this film will give future defenses some real ammo when facing denver, as apparently baltimore found their achilles heel, as they have shown it twice now.

lots of food for thought, for sure.

thanks for the input.


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it is puzzling, to say the least, that as strong as this defense is, they could drop the game at cinci,

pep--look at the box score for that game. the defense didn't LOSE the game, the offense did by turning the ball over 6 times in their own territory. the defense can only do so much.

nothing puzzling at all.

::taking off the rose colored glasses now::

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Baltimore is just better.

The Broncos were fortunate to even score a TD at HOME agaisnt this unit, and the only reason they did was because of a turnover. This raven team pushed the Broncos around for virtually the entire game on the road.

If Baltimore plays like this every week thery will win another SB. Grbac, and the receivers corp looked very good...

I personally feel that people including myself gave Denvers offense to high of accolades. I don't want to say Denver was carved up....but they were.
 

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I, also, watched the entire game. Agree with what has been said.

Don't forget the Grbac factor though. Wished I'd shared my thoughts yesterday on this, sorry.

Grbac is very comfortable playing the Broncos from his Chiefs days. I realize this is a new stadium, but he knows the ropes playing this team.

Grbac's teams have now won 5 straight, 3 in Denver, against the Broncos. No small feat.

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jack

i don't want to start a never ending debate, and i follow thru with this for the sake of all reading it:

each of these scores took 6 plays and 3 minutes; 1 for 18 yards, the other for 33. while balt did not break down, fact is that you take the 14 away and you still have a 10-7 balt game that could have ended up in a 10-10 ot, among others.

this is not the defense we are led to expect from baltimore. denver's solid whipping of ariz (ok, big deal), coupled with balt's pronunciated loss away, led a great number of us to believe that denver would cover the 4 points.

the puzzle i mentioned was not that they lost, but the margin. a 10-7 win or even a 13-10 loss would have been more digestible, but i do believe they still would have faced a + something in denver.

Third Quarter
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Cincinnati--(11:38)--Corey Dillon 1 yd PASS from Jon Kitna 3-6
(6 plays - 18 yards, 3:09)
Neil Rackers EXTRA POINT 3-7
Cincinnati--(8:10)--Jon Kitna 2 yd RUN 3-13
(6 plays - 33 yards, 2:58)
Neil Rackers EXTRA POINT 3-14

conclusion:

i am not trying to make a case for next week or the remainder of the season, but rather show why we (the silent majority or the screaming cheerleaders?) took denver. i don't think we underestimated balt, the worst result was that many of us also over estimated cinci, which cost us as well, ending up with 2 losses for the price of one.

cheers.


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I hope Denver gets there revenge.

I can't stand those piss poor bastard Ravens, god knows them winning the superbowl this year will take a miracle that they won't get.
 

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I have heard all the Denver SB hype before the season even started......After watching Baltimore in last years playoff run....beat Denver,Tennesee,Oakland and New York...the most impressive road run I have ever seen in the NFL......Anyhow I will say this....It is stupid to bet against Baltimore because you cant run on them....and what a lot of people are starting to realize is that their pass defense is very solid also.....So if you cant score you cant win.......
 

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pep,

"...cost us two losses for the price of one."

You hit the nail on the head, brother.

I took the bait.

MJ's statement about reading the box score and seeing 6 Raven turnovers (and I ain't referrin' to apple) was revealing, to say the least.
 
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