Comps at Casinos- couple questions please

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Does anyone know how they measure the amount you play with regards to Roulette? How do they keep tabs if you are putting down $15-25 per spin? Especially when you are not having to buy back in if winning? If there is an explanation document for this please post it. Also interested how blackjack and craps are rated. What do you do proactively to make sure you get your points/credits/or whatever they call it?

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If you are playing for several hours I suggest maybe hourly, or for sure at shift change of the pit boss, make sure you are still in the system. I have played several 10 hour craps sessions only to find out I got credit for two hours.

They rate you on buy in amount, average bet and length of play. So, to maximize your rating you should buy in with however much you can as long as you can keep to your actual loss limit. For me a loss limit per session is $400 but I don't mind buying in for $1000 because I know I can control myself. Make your biggest bets when the pit boss is tapping on the little computer screen at your table because he is putting in what he sees you betting. If your average bet is $10 but he sees you betting $25 then he goes by that because that is all he sees. Length of play is obviously up to you.

To be clear, I do not recommend changing any style you are comfortable playing with just to get comps as you will lose much more playing than you ever get in comps.
 

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What PFan said.

And tipping the dealers helps you more than you will ever know.
 

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I am no where near the expert on comps but to me its a waste of time these days. Last time i was in Vegas i played at Sunset Station. 7 days straight. I play $65 don't Pass and any
where from $270 to $540 across. Drilled em every day. Made sure the pit knew who was in my "Humble" way. Tipped well for the Crew !!! After 7 days went to shove in my card ..expecting at least a steak.......even a cheap one. Cards says i am entitled ta ZEEEEEGEERO.. Not even a stick a gum. I go back to the pitt an ask the Pitt MNGR "WTF" You know me and you know my play....... He looks into the Computer and tells me....................Quote "You are a Hit and Run player.. You Nail us and leave...........You have not played an hr on any of the times you were here. That gets u nothing..........."" Fuck you Las Vegas !!!!!Have had this same thing happen elsewhere too. Years ago i wd go to Hollywood in Aurora Ill....got a $100 every time and all i did was ask.......no fucking card.... In PR with same play i am almost a whale.....FREE FOOD MEAL COMP FOR 2... Drinks
.And if i don't want to stay at the Resort .....Concierge will find me a Condo or home. No body clocks my ass in and out...............
Used to go to Biloxi to be on the ocean

Asked Pitt MGR what it took to get my rooms comped "Buy in for a $1000 will get you a day. I said what if i am a smaller player.. Ans: If you have a $1000 we will have it before you leave ..thats worth a room for a night... Those days are prob gone..........$15 play at a roulette wheel prob won't get you a Chicklet.....Fuck comps get your haul and get what you want........
 

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Oh, the most important thing you can do to help get comps. Charge everything you can to your room. You can charge most anything from all the CET properties to your room. the night before or the morning of checkout go to the VIP checkin room. There is always a host on duty there taking care of people. Hva your ID and TR card and when he asks how he can help you, sit down at his desk and say "I'm hoping to have you take all my room charges off" then STFU and wait. You'll get more this way than any other way.
 

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Oh, the most important thing you can do to help get comps. Charge everything you can to your room. You can charge most anything from all the CET properties to your room. the night before or the morning of checkout go to the VIP checkin room. There is always a host on duty there taking care of people. Hva your ID and TR card and when he asks how he can help you, sit down at his desk and say "I'm hoping to have you take all my room charges off" then STFU and wait. You'll get more this way than any other way.

u r the king of comps :00hour :0008
 

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What PFan said.

And tipping the dealers helps you more than you will ever know.



Super Correcto.....Some of the of the places i go seems employees i don't know say "Hi" I asked a lady Dealer that i know why and she said.."You are a good tipper and we want you to have an enjoyable stay...... Years ago I had issues when the house made a mistake...Fact i got banned for life in two with letters stating they did not want my business.... These days i tip and have had every issue go my way Fact Mger took me to the computer and we went over the video in frame by frame slow motion ... and i was proven right Dice had knocked part of my bet off and my bet and pay out was reduced..i was not happy after video got my $$ and a Meal Comp and an apology.......
 

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I stay at Westgate for usually three to 3.5 weeks every year during the WSOP. I normally get two suites, one for me and one for any friends I invite. Usually my ball player buddies from back in the day come the first weekend I am there and then any workers or friends I invite come out for the other weekends. I have a personal friend whom I got very lucky with after the stardust was demolished and I was set up with at Westgate. His name is Toby and he was and maybe still is the #1 rated senior racquetball player in the world at one time. We play racquetball every trip and he checks in with me weekly to see if I need anything. Jack is right, charge everything to the room, meet with your host the night before you leave or the same morning and normally if you give them good play in the pit they will comp most of your billing. Westgate will not comp laundry and shopping of clothes or jewelry. They always comp all my meals, drinks, golf and shows while I am there. A couple years ago I lost around 30k in the pit for my stay and Toby met me the night before I left and gave me 2000 in comp chips. I took that and ran it to 23,000 which made my leaving a little easier! Most times my bill is around 8-10,000 and the most Toby has ever made me pay was 880.00. I would recommend people who play in the pit and don't have a good Host to call Toby at Westgate and tell him, Dave Tobin, your racquetball buddy recommended me to give you a call and stay here. You will not be disappointed. And if you know anything about the famous sports book for sports betting, you will love that also. They have me on a 2000.00 max bet for the past several years which shocked me, but sometimes I can talk to the supervisor on duty and they will allow more. It's not like it used to be in the 80's.
Also sports betting is separate from table game comps! You can get the sports book to give you food comps and show comps which will take away from the total you owe. Normally I can eat from my sports betting and my table play pays for everything else.

Hope this helps, ARROW
 

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Thanks for the great ideas, really appreciate those taking the time to answer. Will look at more detail in a couple hours.

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Everyone in this thread has offered great advice. Arrow really knows what he's talking about here. I would like to see 65 post his viewpoints on comps. From my being around him in casinos, he seems to know everything there is to know about comps. I should probably take advantage of comps at casinos, and use that fucking card but I don't. It's like coupons in a grocery store for me. It's not worth my time.
 

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Does anyone know how they measure the amount you play with regards to Roulette? How do they keep tabs if you are putting down $15-25 per spin? Especially when you are not having to buy back in if winning? If there is an explanation document for this please post it. Also interested how blackjack and craps are rated. What do you do proactively to make sure you get your points/credits/or whatever they call it?

Thanks.

If you are playing $15-25 a spin INSIDE, then you will build up pretty fast because that's a big casino advantage game. Betting black and red, not so much. Blackjack sucks for comps unless you are betting over $100 a spot. Time is the key in blackjack. If the table is losing, just take off a bit when the pit isn't watching. Make sure when he clocks you in, he sees your bet. Otherwise, you are just getting credit for the table minimum. If you bump your bets, ask the dealer to make sure the pit knows or better yet tell him yourself. Again, time is the key. If you don't have a lot of time to spend and you want comps, prepare to be betting a nickel or more. Tipping the dealers also helps. They will often fudge your buyin and they will fudge your average bet.

On craps, if you play the stuff in the middle, you get rated higher. Minimum plays on the pass get you very little. Dark gets you less unless your bets are huge.

Make sure you talk to the pit after every session. Say, "how do you have me rated?"

Also, as Jack says, it never hurts to ask. If you are giving them a lot of action, ask for things. All they can do is tell you no. The buffets aren't getting thrown around any longer, that's for sure!

Chuck, I have seen you play Roulette. You should get rated well and get some free stuff. Ask for a host after a big session too.
 

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If you are playing $15-25 a spin INSIDE, then you will build up pretty fast because that's a big casino advantage game. Betting black and red, not so much. Blackjack sucks for comps unless you are betting over $100 a spot. Time is the key in blackjack. If the table is losing, just take off a bit when the pit isn't watching. Make sure when he clocks you in, he sees your bet. Otherwise, you are just getting credit for the table minimum. If you bump your bets, ask the dealer to make sure the pit knows or better yet tell him yourself. Again, time is the key. If you don't have a lot of time to spend and you want comps, prepare to be betting a nickel or more. Tipping the dealers also helps. They will often fudge your buyin and they will fudge your average bet.

On craps, if you play the stuff in the middle, you get rated higher. Minimum plays on the pass get you very little. Dark gets you less unless your bets are huge.

Make sure you talk to the pit after every session. Say, "how do you have me rated?"

Also, as Jack says, it never hurts to ask. If you are giving them a lot of action, ask for things. All they can do is tell you no. The buffets aren't getting thrown around any longer, that's for sure!

Chuck, I have seen you play Roulette. You should get rated well and get some free stuff. Ask for a host after a big session too.

Good stuff thanks. Can't see myself asking a lady pit boss.........."how do you have me rated" :SIB

Although it will not hurt to ask. Being in sales, if you don't ask for the order, you will not get it.

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I stay at Westgate for usually three to 3.5 weeks every year during the WSOP. I normally get two suites, one for me and one for any friends I invite. Usually my ball player buddies from back in the day come the first weekend I am there and then any workers or friends I invite come out for the other weekends. I have a personal friend whom I got very lucky with after the stardust was demolished and I was set up with at Westgate. His name is Toby and he was and maybe still is the #1 rated senior racquetball player in the world at one time. We play racquetball every trip and he checks in with me weekly to see if I need anything. Jack is right, charge everything to the room, meet with your host the night before you leave or the same morning and normally if you give them good play in the pit they will comp most of your billing. Westgate will not comp laundry and shopping of clothes or jewelry. They always comp all my meals, drinks, golf and shows while I am there. A couple years ago I lost around 30k in the pit for my stay and Toby met me the night before I left and gave me 2000 in comp chips. I took that and ran it to 23,000 which made my leaving a little easier! Most times my bill is around 8-10,000 and the most Toby has ever made me pay was 880.00. I would recommend people who play in the pit and don't have a good Host to call Toby at Westgate and tell him, Dave Tobin, your racquetball buddy recommended me to give you a call and stay here. You will not be disappointed. And if you know anything about the famous sports book for sports betting, you will love that also. They have me on a 2000.00 max bet for the past several years which shocked me, but sometimes I can talk to the supervisor on duty and they will allow more. It's not like it used to be in the 80's.
Also sports betting is separate from table game comps! You can get the sports book to give you food comps and show comps which will take away from the total you owe. Normally I can eat from my sports betting and my table play pays for everything else.

Hope this helps, ARROW

I think I will walk into the Westgate and say, "Hi, I am Dave Tobin, and I know my look is different. Don't let the change bother you, it really is me. Now bring me 5 shrimp cocktails , and some 1986 Haut Brion to wash it down."

:toast: Love me some Arrow!
 

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I stay at Westgate for usually three to 3.5 weeks every year during the WSOP. I normally get two suites, one for me and one for any friends I invite. Usually my ball player buddies from back in the day come the first weekend I am there and then any workers or friends I invite come out for the other weekends. I have a personal friend whom I got very lucky with after the stardust was demolished and I was set up with at Westgate. His name is Toby and he was and maybe still is the #1 rated senior racquetball player in the world at one time. We play racquetball every trip and he checks in with me weekly to see if I need anything. Jack is right, charge everything to the room, meet with your host the night before you leave or the same morning and normally if you give them good play in the pit they will comp most of your billing. Westgate will not comp laundry and shopping of clothes or jewelry. They always comp all my meals, drinks, golf and shows while I am there. A couple years ago I lost around 30k in the pit for my stay and Toby met me the night before I left and gave me 2000 in comp chips. I took that and ran it to 23,000 which made my leaving a little easier! Most times my bill is around 8-10,000 and the most Toby has ever made me pay was 880.00. I would recommend people who play in the pit and don't have a good Host to call Toby at Westgate and tell him, Dave Tobin, your racquetball buddy recommended me to give you a call and stay here. You will not be disappointed. And if you know anything about the famous sports book for sports betting, you will love that also. They have me on a 2000.00 max bet for the past several years which shocked me, but sometimes I can talk to the supervisor on duty and they will allow more. It's not like it used to be in the 80's.
Also sports betting is separate from table game comps! You can get the sports book to give you food comps and show comps which will take away from the total you owe. Normally I can eat from my sports betting and my table play pays for everything else.

Hope this helps, ARROW


Here's hoping to get some sports betting texts from Dave to pay for 3 growing boys eating while we are there in two weeks.

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