Anyone watching this? I thought the first contender was a lot better. I can't see Steve Forbes losing this fight but i have to find a way to see who is the judges in this. Box you have any idea of a site that lets you know who the judges are? I don't want to see any guys like Roth, Ford or Giampi doing it. These wonderful three never get a decision right especially when the betting public has one side.
Contender finals.
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spongy...you`re right...forbes is the better man.....with skills, stamina and lots of heart...at least the last time i saw him in a real bout....
no power....either guy,really.....
but,brewer`s a legit jr middleweight......stevie fought most of his career at jr lightweight until the middle of 2004 at age 27....
that`s what he is....he was a mature man fighting at jr ltwt....
brewer`s been in with jermain taylor and sechew powell.....full fledged jr middles/middles...and that`s a big natural size difference....
that`s enough to make me flinch.....
if all things were equal,i`d be all over forbes....
no power....either guy,really.....
but,brewer`s a legit jr middleweight......stevie fought most of his career at jr lightweight until the middle of 2004 at age 27....
that`s what he is....he was a mature man fighting at jr ltwt....
brewer`s been in with jermain taylor and sechew powell.....full fledged jr middles/middles...and that`s a big natural size difference....
that`s enough to make me flinch.....
if all things were equal,i`d be all over forbes....
by no means a boxing expert, but watched the show.
IMO forbes is a steal at -210 right now. he's way more conditioned. When he turns it on when he wants his arms move in a nintendo video game type fashion where he's a machine. he's definitely the better boxer and its not even close. but grady does have more power. if forbes just boxes the guy and doesn't get into a brawl he should win fairly convincingly.
the over is probably safe as neither guy has much of a knockout blow, but conditioning for grady will keep me away.
as for the judges, i certainly have no insight, but you have to wonder even tho a ugh its a sponsored bout, if the producers or creators of the contender have any sort of say behind the scenes. I mean they want a boxer who can actually do something after the show like sergio mora. and a 33 year old with a 17-8 record isn't really that appealing. a 29 year old with a 24-2 record who really is a clean cut likeable guy AND better boxer is much more likely to get a decision if the fight is close if you believe the contender producers have any sort of say.
gl
IMO forbes is a steal at -210 right now. he's way more conditioned. When he turns it on when he wants his arms move in a nintendo video game type fashion where he's a machine. he's definitely the better boxer and its not even close. but grady does have more power. if forbes just boxes the guy and doesn't get into a brawl he should win fairly convincingly.
the over is probably safe as neither guy has much of a knockout blow, but conditioning for grady will keep me away.
as for the judges, i certainly have no insight, but you have to wonder even tho a ugh its a sponsored bout, if the producers or creators of the contender have any sort of say behind the scenes. I mean they want a boxer who can actually do something after the show like sergio mora. and a 33 year old with a 17-8 record isn't really that appealing. a 29 year old with a 24-2 record who really is a clean cut likeable guy AND better boxer is much more likely to get a decision if the fight is close if you believe the contender producers have any sort of say.
gl
Weasal you have made me think a little about the size advantage. I was under the assumption they were all in the same division.f I might bag this bet.
Even though I've followed the top fighters for years, I gotta admit that I know next to nothing about this sport compared to those who post their boxing picks. But, I've watched most of the Contender and noted that there's MUCH more Hollywood in it than boxing.
This leads me to believe that, like everything else today, it's all about making (future) moola. I like Dodger's post about what kind of influences the Hollywood types are gonna have on this thing and think they're BIGGEST concern is - NO QUICK, or even EARLY, KOs. Gotta think these two and their managers, neither of which showed any KO power despite the sound effects during the Contender matches, were warned about this. That means the safer way to go is take the OVER.
Does anybody know if the Contender bouts were sanctioned fights?
This leads me to believe that, like everything else today, it's all about making (future) moola. I like Dodger's post about what kind of influences the Hollywood types are gonna have on this thing and think they're BIGGEST concern is - NO QUICK, or even EARLY, KOs. Gotta think these two and their managers, neither of which showed any KO power despite the sound effects during the Contender matches, were warned about this. That means the safer way to go is take the OVER.
Does anybody know if the Contender bouts were sanctioned fights?
jimboski...that`s an excellent question....i see that the wins and losses in the 5 rounders are posted to the boxer`s records over at boxrec.......but i doubt that wins or losses would affect rankings....
that`s odd...no weights listed ,though...
spongy,bundrage was also huge compared to forbes......but,that was 5 rounds...i believe this is a 10`er....
...brewer isn`t a banger.....not nearly as physical as bundradge.....probably a better technician.....
honestly,forbes is much better...but,imo,the over would be the best play....probably parlayed with something....
this whole thing...no weight classes...5 rounds......has the feel of the old tough man competitions....
that`s odd...no weights listed ,though...
spongy,bundrage was also huge compared to forbes......but,that was 5 rounds...i believe this is a 10`er....
...brewer isn`t a banger.....not nearly as physical as bundradge.....probably a better technician.....
honestly,forbes is much better...but,imo,the over would be the best play....probably parlayed with something....
this whole thing...no weight classes...5 rounds......has the feel of the old tough man competitions....
i thought there were other fights on the card?.....
i thought bundrage was fighting bravo?.....no lines......
if baletto`s fighting anyone with a pulse,gimme a buck on the pulse....
i can understand it...this whole set-up is a mess...
i thought bundrage was fighting bravo?.....no lines......
if baletto`s fighting anyone with a pulse,gimme a buck on the pulse....
i can understand it...this whole set-up is a mess...
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Appreciate the quick reply, Wease.
Hey, the program is scheduled for 2 HOURS tonight, gotta be another match (and I do remember reading somewhere that there is).
gotta agree, this is more of a circus than a sport. Like the OVER as a "parlay booster" only.
Hey, the program is scheduled for 2 HOURS tonight, gotta be another match (and I do remember reading somewhere that there is).
gotta agree, this is more of a circus than a sport. Like the OVER as a "parlay booster" only.
haven't gotten a laugh like that in a while:mj07:
couldn't agree more. the guy is as stiff as a board.
as for over/under, if this isn't staged at all i would tend to the under only because i can't imagine brewer being in any kind of condition. he struggled with conditioning in the 5 rounders, although you could probably shed light on his pre-contender fights.
the only problem with forbes is he CLEARLY takes rounds off. he's not afraid of being hit except by a bomb and seems to not give a fk in certain rounds. he knows he can turn it on at any time and throw hundreds of punches in a 30 second span. he's like the energizer bunny when he wants to be.
as for last years finale, mora clearly won, but manfredo in my eyes beat him in the rematch, but got hosed on the decision. just my opinion. judges were legit last year, but thats such a small sample size.
i got forbest at -211 last week and am sticking with it. sitting at -256 now. to me the under looks juicy at +254 because i cannot see brewer having any kind of staying power without dropping dead, but i've been surprised before and am not playing it.
gl
bleed i couldnt believe they were fighting ten rounds and your right the under looks real juicy. I was gonna take another look at forbes again because i remembered he fought the big guy the fight before (an weasal also pointed this out.) Just from watching this i thought forbes was far superior in skills but size does matter in these fights and it looks like it is factoring in on the first fight as i watch it. I know brewer looks like he couldn't crack an egg but im gonna stay away. The size in five rounds is a lot smaller than it is in ten.
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If K9 and John Ruiz fought they would hold it on the dancing with stars show. Just hate these kind of fighters.
well,can`t say i`m shocked.....the bigger men had their way with the more experienced,battle tested vets.....
i wish they would have weighed in before they entered the ring.....because,i believe that this stuff can be dangerous.....ask joey gamache...
luckily,the bigger guys didn`t punch like gatti....
the over was good.....but,i didn`t have the sac to take better than 2-1 odds with brewer...i am officially a metrosexual wussy...:yup ...
anybody else notice that before the fight,when they posted pictures of the fighters,they posted a picture of "CHARLES" brewer...not "grady" brewer....
i was rolling on the floor...what cheesy production values....
funny stuff...
i wish they would have weighed in before they entered the ring.....because,i believe that this stuff can be dangerous.....ask joey gamache...
luckily,the bigger guys didn`t punch like gatti....
the over was good.....but,i didn`t have the sac to take better than 2-1 odds with brewer...i am officially a metrosexual wussy...:yup ...
anybody else notice that before the fight,when they posted pictures of the fighters,they posted a picture of "CHARLES" brewer...not "grady" brewer....
i was rolling on the floor...what cheesy production values....
funny stuff...
snoozefest
boring fight. too much grabbing and holding.
i honestly don't know what the judge saw who scored forbes a winner. shouldn't have been split. should have been unanimous.
that's the problem with these reality things. sites had draw as an option. then halfway into the program they tell you that draw isn't even possible, they are gonna go 11. wonder if they just made that up on the fly today. wonder also if anyone who bet that gets their money back.
you are right gardenweasel. couldn't see it in the weekly episodes and i didn't lose much money so i don't care, but forbes never looked as small as he did today. brewer was WAY bigger. and forbes didn't throw 1/3 of the punches he did in the previous fights. maybe the holding by both men took him out of it. but he usually finsihed rounds strong and tonight he just got beat down.
gl
boring fight. too much grabbing and holding.
i honestly don't know what the judge saw who scored forbes a winner. shouldn't have been split. should have been unanimous.
that's the problem with these reality things. sites had draw as an option. then halfway into the program they tell you that draw isn't even possible, they are gonna go 11. wonder if they just made that up on the fly today. wonder also if anyone who bet that gets their money back.
you are right gardenweasel. couldn't see it in the weekly episodes and i didn't lose much money so i don't care, but forbes never looked as small as he did today. brewer was WAY bigger. and forbes didn't throw 1/3 of the punches he did in the previous fights. maybe the holding by both men took him out of it. but he usually finsihed rounds strong and tonight he just got beat down.
gl
Over gits da cash!
But I didn't touch this thing. Was thinking that anything could happen with these two (very different styles and history) and there was the possibility of some underhanded crap affected the outcome. I'm kinda pissed that I didn't bite on the underdog (or at least nibble on it) since it looked like a 50-50 proposition.
Both of these guys were pretty well spent in the final round. Remember, niether is a youngster. Tellya one thing - the fight looked very legit to me.
But I didn't touch this thing. Was thinking that anything could happen with these two (very different styles and history) and there was the possibility of some underhanded crap affected the outcome. I'm kinda pissed that I didn't bite on the underdog (or at least nibble on it) since it looked like a 50-50 proposition.
Both of these guys were pretty well spent in the final round. Remember, niether is a youngster. Tellya one thing - the fight looked very legit to me.
bleed i think these both would have been great fights contender style. You know seeing five good punches and then looking at the crowds reaction the other 2 minutes and 45 seconds.
i think its the first time in my life one of you right wingers saved me money. Pointing out the size difference made me take a look at this a little closer. Weasel do you want me to donate something to George Allens campaign?
no...but,it would be nice of you to contribute a quatloo or two to the " Search For Democrats with IQ's Larger than Forrest Gump's " fund......
keith olbermann thanks you...
keith olbermann thanks you...
