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Syracuse -28 looks like a bargain here. The orange in the dome with a team that looks to be the real deal. More importantly, Cornell appears to be very, very bad. Lost to Canisius by 17, ND by 30, and by 9 to a Bucknell team that had lost it's first 4 games (all by double digits) to powerhouses like C. Connecticut St., Vermont, Rider, and St. Francis (Pa). Should get ugly very quickly. I don't see a back door either, but the first half pick not a bad idea either.

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IMO Syracuse -28 is no sure thing.

Syracuse only beat Colgate by 19 the other night at the dome, 70-51.

I went to Colgate and they can't be much better than Cornell.

"We were a little sluggish coming off the tournament," Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim admitted. "Kueth carried us in the first half and was a big factor. Offensively, we are not the same type of team without DeShaun (Williams)."

FWIW, Williams isn't playing again tonight due to his 3-game suspension, and IMO Syracuse is going to need to score more than 70 to cover -28.
 

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Plus I don't see 'Cuse getting really psyched up for this game and running the score up.

And their zone defense tends to keep their score down.

If this line goes over 30, I'm on Cornell.
 

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You don't think the cuse is too talented for this team? They are very athletic this year. I believe with or without Williams the cuse will roll. I got the game at 28 1/2. What do you think. Speak your mind.
 
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DIdn't watch Towson last night, but lost a 1st half play. Might be something to consider when playing against bad teams. They got trounced in the 2nd half and the spread was easily covered. Also, the 2nd half line was very easily covered. Something to consider --- not sure why it would happen that way, but I'm sure going to have second thoughts before jumping too deep on these 1st half lines against crappy teams. Good luck with whatever you choose.
 

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I'd be interested in what others think too but IMO 28/29 seems like a fair line for this game but no bargain.

An uninspired 'Cuse team without Williams just beat Colgate by 19 in the Dome. I looked into it and it turns out that Colgate has a better team than usual this year and Cornell's is worse than usual. Sagarin has Colgate as ten points better than Cornell.

So if Syracuse plays at the same level tonight as they did against Colgate it would seem like 28/29 should be the difference in this one. And I just don't see the Orangemen having any interest in giving Cornell an ass-whipping just for the fun of it.

Sophomore James Thues started in Williams' place and tallied five assists. But Thues also turned the ball over four times and scored just two points. Clearly, Syracuse struggled without Williams' offensive presence.

"We miss him a lot," Thues said. "He scores a lot of points for us. Without him, we need some people to come out and score some points."

Williams garnered MVP honors at the Preseason NIT that concluded Friday with a win over Wake Forest, and his 21.6 points per game lead the Orangemen.

"Without DeShaun we're not the same kind of offensive team," Boeheim said. "Offensively, we were missing our first or second option."

Also, FWIW Cornell's 9 point loss to Bucknell was in overtime. Cornell has a very young team which seems to play okay and then just fall asleep. For example in the game vs Bucknell, Cornell was up 20-4 to lead the game and 30-20 at the half before faltering in the second half.

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That's the kind of local info im sure we all cherish and cant get enough of....i need to learn patience. I've already made my play. I guess i'll stick with what my sizable gut says and play the orange. it's at 29.5 on wsex...hope you cornell players get your 30. I'd take a 29pt cuse win
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Nighthorse --

Just so you know my comments might be erring on the side of caution because I had a huge night last night (7-2, +10 units) and am worried that I'll fritter it all away tonite! Which always seems to happen after a big night.

Anyway, I see everyone seems to be on two big favs -- 'Cuse and Baylor, but I'm staying off both of these games.

Cornell is bad but since I don't think 'Cuse will score more than 70 without Williams I'm not willing to bet that Cornell won't score 40.

And Baylor just played a very tough game vs SMU 48 hours ago and might suffer a little letdown vs a young Fullerton team who tends to fall apart on the road but isn't all that bad. Sagerin only rates Baylor as four points better than Fullerton, I'm not going to lay 21 on this one!

I'm watching tonight, I don't like this card.

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I'm originally from western New York and my friend is on the Cornell team. They are the worst they've been in his four years there. I like The Cuse a lot.

Cuse is way to quick for an undersized, slow short Ivy league team, i don't care if shumpert williams and duany don't play.
CUSE rolls 84-47
5 bills on cuse -28
 

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Another factor to consider: the Orangemen didn't find out Williams wasn't playing until they saw him just before the game on the bench still in his warm-ups. This obviously caught them by surprise and this was very evident in their first half play vs Colgate.

They should be better prepared to play without Williams tonight.

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superbook,
Not to be argumentative, Williams 7-game suspension (or however many games it was for breaking the law) was announced at least two weeks ago and Jim Boeheim had the option of instituting it whenever he wanted to and he decided to wait until after the preseason NIT so he would have one of his best players for the first few tough games of the season, which he did.
This was mentioned on the ESPN broadcast several times last week and they said that this suspension would kick in right after the pre-season NIT so there shouldn't have been any surprise about Williams not playing. I think it was more disinterest playing a lower echelon school after 4 exciting games, including two thrillers at the Garden that felt like NCAA TOurnament type games bec. the crowd was so jacked and the games were so tight.
Good luck.
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I know that the cuse is 6-0 and tonight is one of those games where the 9-10-11-12 guys off the bench that have been practicing hard all year will get a chance to shine a bit!!! These guys will be playing hard, trying to impress the Coach.--Could be a blow-out but i will stay away!!
 

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(U-WIRE) SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Prior to Tuesday night's game against Colgate, DeShaun Williams wore a blue warmup suit and watched from the Syracuse bench as his teammates ran through their drills.

He would come no closer to the court.

Williams served the first game of a suspension stemming from his arrest from a driving while ability impaired violation last April 7.

After SU's win over Colgate, head coach Jim Boeheim hinted that Williams' suspension will last three games. That would mean Williams would miss Thursday's meeting with Cornell and Saturday's matchup at Albany.

After the game, Boeheim blasted the athletic department's policy regarding player suspensions, calling it "irrational."

"Any student that has a problem is dealt with by judicial affairs," Boeheim said. "But then the athletic department adds on a game penalty. I've been against it since we started the penalty system. Game penalties hurt the team and the fans, as well as the program.

"If you have the need, if you want an extra punishment, I'm not one of those people, but some people do. Then it should be something that punishes the athlete and not the team and the fans. That's the problem I have with the system. I don't like the system. I never have. I've been against it since Day 1. But no one seems to listen to coaches' opinions."

Boeheim suggested that if the athletic department wants athletes to face consequences from both the team and the university, it should consider community service or counseling as additional punishments instead of suspensions, which Boeheim said are detrimental to team development.

The team did not learn of the suspension until Tuesday, several players said.

Center Jeremy McNeil said he was unaware of the suspension until he saw Williams wearing his warmups before the game.
 
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