dog owners help

[marine]

Fellow canine owners I beg of your help-

We just got a new german shepard pup (8 weeks old yesterday). We have had it about a week and a half and the thing is driving me up a freaking wall. Can anyone who has ever tried to train dogs of any sorts give some advice on the following:

1. Best way to teach it to go shake a leg outside and not to shit on my floor/carpet/couch/tv stand/kitchen chairs

2. how to teach it how to "stay" without have to chain it to a spare tire in the backyard.

3. How to keep it from f(*&cking biting me! I give the damn thing chew toys like there is no tomorrow, but it just absolutely insists on biting fingers and toes.
I have tried taking a soda can, throwing some spare change in it and rattling it when she bites and nips at people. It worked fine for like 6 hours. Gave her a good enuff spooke to make her stop and back up. But now curiousity has gotten the best of her and i found the dumb thing batting it around on the floor last nite having a grand old time at the cool noise it makes when she rolls it around the house.

4. How soon should i start obedience lessons with this rodent? 12 weeks of age?

Or, am i just expecting too much too soon? I have taught it how to come to me when i call it, which i thought was a good start, i have been trying to teach it to 'fetch' its toys and stuff when i throw it... but short of picking it up and punting it across the room the dog has no ability to move across the floor.

 

[dawgball]

Be patient. My dad and I used to train bird dogs, and the key is dedication. There are no shortcuts to a well trained dog.

How do you get it to excuse himself outside? You take him out A LOT. Praise him when he does good, but do not praise too much.

The biting thing will go away with age.

Good luck. If you have the time for it, training a dog is very rewarding.

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dawgball

 

[MadJack]

it may sound cruel, but you have to beat it's ass. AND HARD TOO! our dog was a bitch (no pun) to train and my wife got fed up and beat her little ass HARD. my wife and i don't argue (hardly ever) but when she would beat gracie's ass like she did, i would get really pissed at her. turns out, the dog learned real quick, and now is the best dog in the world.

my wife was right!

 

[JohnWise]

Do what I do when I have a question. Ask Jack.
Seriously, try searching the web. You can probably find anything you want to know. And I am sure you will get responses from this forum.
Good luck.

 

[marine]

no chance in hell of beating this dog. two reasons why.

1. My wife is a vetrinary technician and loves dogs... she ever catches me whacking it and she will not hesitate to whack me.

2. This dog is gonna get BIG. The parents where 100 pound monsters. And if dog genetics are like people genetics, this lil cute monster could be a very very big girl and i dont want a 100 pound shepard pissed off at me a few months down the road.


and yup, i WANT a well trained dog, and i am willing to put in the time for it. Its tuff because i hate dogs tho.

But SHE wanted a dog, so i may as well enjoy it right? I just want to make sure i am focusing my energies in the right direction trying to train it and not find out 3 months down the road i was doing it all wrong and the dog is on its own program. All i ever heard was how smart these dogs are and i was expecting to see it right away. This thing is more interested in chasing farts than sticks tho.

This little monster gets USMC discipline when it f*cks up. I just cant figure out how to make it sound off when she is doing her push ups.


The biting isnt TOO bad... i just wish it would do it to the neighbor kids instead of me.

 

[Palmetto Pimp]

Ive had three dogs and I had to "beat" all of them to get them to go outside, they learn quickly and forget about it. I see your against beating.....When it poops bring it over to it, say NO NO NO push face into it(sounds mean) say NO NO NO, then take it outside. That worked for all my dogs although I followed the NOs with a wack on the head. I only needed to do it a couple of times. Its a lil mean but it beatsthem shitting on your floor.

 

[MadJack]

When it poops bring it over to it, say NO NO NO push face into it(sounds mean) say NO NO NO, then take it outside.

yea, i forgot about that part, then my wife would THROW her outside.

yup.....works great!!

 

[dawgball]

I personally feel that you should rarely have to hit a dog. I also do not agree with rubbing the dog's face in it. It is better to reward than punish.

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dawgball

 

[aldabra]

my vet told me sticking their face in it re-enforces experience bad way..lots
of walks and praise works..it pays to
have a dog that knows what "NO" means
a gentle slap on the nose and a resounding
"no" will get their attention..dog training
after 6 months is most effective before that
you are working with an animal that is too
young and has no attention span...hope
that helps;
gained these tips after 20 years and 3 dogs


and 3 dogs...

 

[MadJack]

I personally feel that you should rarely have to hit a dog.

that's why me and the wife would argue. man, the dog only weighed about 1 pound. it did work though and she has a great personality, doesn't shit or pee on the floor and probably doesn't remember she was ever hit. btw....the dog is the boss around here now

 

[BOHICA]

marine,
To get your dog used to using the outdoor latrine, you need to follow dawgball's suggestion about taking the dog outside alot. Each time the dog takes care of business, you give her a treat, and you praise her. This will become a routine very quickly. shouldn't take more then a couple of weeks of this to solve that problem.
As far as getting the dog to stay, this will take a little more training, and I would suggest that you attend dog training classes, and make sure that you practice what they teach you. 12 weeks is not too young at all.
To take care of biting, all you need to do is yell "ouch" when she bites. Sounds stupid, but it works. Dogs are used to biting each other durring play, and the only way that they know that they have hurt each other is to yelp.
Whatever you do, do not beat the dog. All that teaches the dog is fear, and could affect its personality. Be consistent in your training, and you will have a very well mannered dog.

 

[marine]

pushing the dogs face in the shiznit...

dogs have a very SHORT attention span. If you come home and find the dog has shat (is that the past tense of sh*t?) upon yer floor and you rub its nose in it the dog will only learn that its master is crazy.


and i forgot the most important question.

after the dog craps, outside or inside or whereever... WHY WHY WHY must it insist on chowing down on its own crap?
its simply amazing. i came home from work yesterday, and the dog did her deed on the papers i set on the floor for her. but all that was there was a few stains. no turds. the dummy ate it! and i have seen it do this on more than one occasion before as well.
what gives?

 

[Palmetto Pimp]

A lot of vets,etc. disagree with my advice but Im just telling you it worked for my 3 dogs....one more thing...does your dog shit in the house when your not there?? Buy him a crate and keep him in it while your gone. Works REAL well. Except for the Beagle I had...shit and pissed and rolled all in it. LOL
Works really well for for Jack Russel and Toy Fox Terrier though.

 

[Anders]

Marine - I'd be LMAO at your post if it wasn't for the fact I'm experiencing your pain on a lesser level.
My darling wife, a sucker for all things cute and hard done by, went to the vets a month or two back to pick up the specialist diet food our 10kg cat

eats.
When she came out of the car with a sheepish look on her face I knew something bad was up - yup, you guessed it, sitting there in the passenger seat mewing pathetically in its cage was a kitten!
"They were going to put it down!" she exclaims in her defence.
"Yes, it does happen. What are you going to do; save every kitten on death row?"
I replied.
Actually, I didn't say that at all because I'm a soft git. I just rolled my eyes like this

I initially rode with the "problem teething" period as it shat on the carpet, bit my arm, tormented our two other elderly moggies realising that I had to be patient and it could turn out to be a cute addition and a pet for the kids.
But!! Months down the track, I am convinced that "Wiggles" is possessed by the devil!! Far from calming down, it still enjoys trying to tear a chunk from your finger when you go to pat it and has ensured we won't need to do much work when redecorating as it is a certified wallpaper stripping expert!
I'm a calm, humane kinda guy but this animal has come so close so many times to being punted the length of the street that it's getting more than tiresome.
I hope you have more luck in developing a meaningful relationship with your pooch than I have to date with the feline equivalent of Linda Blair

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[BOHICA]

Definately get a crate for the dog, and keep her in it when you are gone. Make sure that you feed her in it a couple of times, and also keep her water in there. Might not be a bad idea to have her sleep in it at night. More often then not the dog will not shit where it eats.
Not sure what to tell you about a shit eater. Never had one of those.

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[Neemer]

At one time, my wife and I had two golden retreivers about six months apart. We bought them when they were pups and it was a bitch teaching them to use the outside facilities.

I agree with the above statements about taking your animals out to do their business. We use to take ours out every hour no matter if they had to go or not. When and if they do take a crap in your yard, make damn sure you reward them with lots of pats and a bunch of silly talk. If you do happen to catch them in the act doing it in your house, make sure you discipline them right then. If you come home and their is crap on the floor, it does no damn good to punish them. Dogs, especially young dogs, don't have much of an attention span. They'll think you're just beating the hell out of 'em cuz you're bored.

One thing a vet did tell us that made a lot of sense was to NEVER discipline an animal with your hand or foot. Over time, the animal will associate your hands or feet with punishment. In turn, your animal will become very timid and shy even when you just want to pat them on the head. Nothing I hate more than seeing a dog that is skiddish when you simply just want to pet them. What I did was to get an old phone book and duct tape it till it looked like a baseball bat. Whenever they had an accident, I would go get the phonebook and give a tap on their ass and used the wordd "NO" a whole bunch. They will begin to associate your choice of punishment with bad behavior. Soon, all you'll have to do is go grab your weapon and they'll realize that they've done something bad.

I'm a big believer in rewarding good behavior and punishing bad behavior. It worked for us, but I wouldn't expect to see consistent results for another 8-12 weeks.

 

[JSMOOTH]

the dog will not shit where it eats.

This is right on the $$$.
Put the dog in a box/cage, no bigger than the dog itself. (dogs will not "mess" where they eat!but....heres the catch...
when your dog cries, you have to let her out to do her business, then, back in the cage. This has never failed me!! It's just like having a baby...instead of getting up at night for feedings, you're getting up to let the pup out.
Praise and treats for the 4 legger after she's done.
As far as biting....she's a pup, it's gonna happen...trust me I know, I have a sheppard and he didn't stop til after a year. Yep, a year.
Now, if it's its people she's biting at, well thats nothing a good right hook won't cure. (seriously)
It only took "Cody" one time to feel it...now, just the sight of my fist makes him tuck his tail. BTW- that was recommended by my vet.
Good Luck

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Anders
Easy way to train a cat is with a spray water bottle.They absolutely hate to be sprayed in face with water and will learn quick.
Note: Will not work on birds.Got parrott that at times will make blood curdeling scream.Thought I'd try water trick on him.Turns out he loved it and now screams ever time he wants sprayed.
Sorry I have never had indoor dog so no help there Marine.
Jack Hows the pup get along with Wally?
Believe it or not cats and birds get along well at my place.Only problem is a conure named Scooter who thinks he is cock of the walk.Very fierce for being so small and has hammered every cat at least once.When annoyed by Buster will run him in his cage despite 10 to 1 weight disadvantage.He has no fear and all other 11 pets are totally intimidated by him.

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[MadJack]

DTB, my dog, a little 6 pound pomeranian, thinks she is the boss of the house over animals and adults. if wally decides he's going to talk a walk through the house gracie trys to scare him back to his cage and barks like crazy at him but he isn't the least bit afraid of her. he stands right up to her and eventually she goes back to her little place in the house or whatever she was doing. LOL

 

[barfly]

Originally posted by MadJack:
my dog, a little 6 pound pomeranian,

LMFAO!!!

Now that's a funny picture. Jack walking a 6 pound pomeranian

Marine, the crate methodworked GREAT for me, and the little guy was house trained in 10 days!

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Barfly