4th and 10 and he throws an 7 yrd pass, 2 1st half ints.....enough said.....Billeck made a big big blunder when he signed this guy. He sucked at SF, He sucked at KC, and now he sucks at Baltimore. The sad thing is I would have liked to see the Ravens try to repeat but with this guy that isnt going to happen.
Elvis........bad,bad mistake for Ravens..............
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Less than 2 minutes in the game, down by six, they had to go for it. Did you have Balt. in a teaser?
I had TB but tried to hedge with Balt 2H.
I disagree that they had to go for it on their own 23 yard line. Down by 6 with 3 time outs left they should have punted and tried for a defensive stand.
Down by more then a TD or 45 seconds left and no time outs, then you go for it....imo.
I disagree that they had to go for it on their own 23 yard line. Down by 6 with 3 time outs left they should have punted and tried for a defensive stand.
Down by more then a TD or 45 seconds left and no time outs, then you go for it....imo.
Yeh I had them in a teaser with the over..talk about a no win situation!!
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In trying to come up with a solid answer as to why cunningham isn't getting any playing time, all I could figure is billick doesn't want to sacrafice any of the excellent decision making,arm strength,mobility in the pocket, or maybe its just the overall leadership role elvira plays so well. Is it me or do you actually have to gamble on the game in order to see how big of loser this guy is and how much of a detriment he is to his team and especially that defense.Somebody in Baltimore has to wake out of their coma get rid of this bum before its too late
How the hell does Elvis Grbac have 4 fourth quarter comebacks this year?? This guy sucks, and reminds me a lot of Peyton Manning. I loved Tampa Bay all week, and switched to the under and luckily won, but I'm pissed I didn't take the easy bet against Grbac. This guy is not a pro QB.
what i saw was a not well planned offense, which means the whole game, not just the last desperate minutes. a well coached, good team, would have put tampa away at the bell, if not in the first half.
they had some flashes of a good play here and there, but it wasn't enough. when a team is clicking, there are constant fake plays, passing on any down, etc. that has a way of neutralizing the tough defense, but when you telegraph your passing plays on 3rd downs, you make the opposing defense great.
allstat? gets the benefit, just like last week, of everyone trying to snatch the ball loose toward the end of the game, and leading to an additional score.
i cashed with a 4 way superteaser, so i am not biased one way or the other, but phoenix's point is valid: either a very desperate play, or kick and put the pressure on tampa, them knowing that a fumble or interception could cost them the game. use the timeouts and let your defense do what your offense can't.
the way tampa was all over grbac, knowing when the pass was coming, there is no way he could have come up with the big play. yes, he is of the mediocre kind, and that is a fact, but there is also the play calling and game plan, which is not his. how can you help not being intercepted when you are constantly forced to pass on 3rd downs and have these guys all over you. even warner knows what that is about.
it was only toward the end of the game that they actually passed on 1st and 2nd downs, a nd it worked fine, except they had no good play to get the frik.... ball in.
yes, jack, i watched the near miss and the seconds tick down to the 4th quarter, just like you did.
pep
they had some flashes of a good play here and there, but it wasn't enough. when a team is clicking, there are constant fake plays, passing on any down, etc. that has a way of neutralizing the tough defense, but when you telegraph your passing plays on 3rd downs, you make the opposing defense great.
allstat? gets the benefit, just like last week, of everyone trying to snatch the ball loose toward the end of the game, and leading to an additional score.
i cashed with a 4 way superteaser, so i am not biased one way or the other, but phoenix's point is valid: either a very desperate play, or kick and put the pressure on tampa, them knowing that a fumble or interception could cost them the game. use the timeouts and let your defense do what your offense can't.
the way tampa was all over grbac, knowing when the pass was coming, there is no way he could have come up with the big play. yes, he is of the mediocre kind, and that is a fact, but there is also the play calling and game plan, which is not his. how can you help not being intercepted when you are constantly forced to pass on 3rd downs and have these guys all over you. even warner knows what that is about.
it was only toward the end of the game that they actually passed on 1st and 2nd downs, a nd it worked fine, except they had no good play to get the frik.... ball in.
yes, jack, i watched the near miss and the seconds tick down to the 4th quarter, just like you did.
pep
True it mainly comes down to playcalling and coaching ( kordell Stewart), but still Grbac is soft and is not a fierce competitor. But to his defense he's playing with basically no running game. However he still makes at least 2 perfect passes to opposing linebackers, that set up easy touchdowns. His main problem is a lack of mobility and he has no ability to feel pressure and get the ball away, he's like a big clumsy QB.
pepin
If you believe for a moment that elvirus is of mediocre quality, I'm curious as to what game you were watching.
Easily 3to 4 dropped int's, numerous times taking a sack instead of getting rid of the ball, throwing behind receivers constantly, (best completion of the game went to a wide open sharpe who had pick the ball off the turf literally just to make the catch)this is not just a problem tonight its weekly, this guy repeatedly puts his defense in short fields, I think they would have a better chance of scoring if they punted on first down and let the defense try come up with points.
If you believe for a moment that elvirus is of mediocre quality, I'm curious as to what game you were watching.
Easily 3to 4 dropped int's, numerous times taking a sack instead of getting rid of the ball, throwing behind receivers constantly, (best completion of the game went to a wide open sharpe who had pick the ball off the turf literally just to make the catch)this is not just a problem tonight its weekly, this guy repeatedly puts his defense in short fields, I think they would have a better chance of scoring if they punted on first down and let the defense try come up with points.
Who do you guys think is worse Kerry Collins or Elvis Grbac??
I rate them about even, hell they could even be brothers.
I rate them about even, hell they could even be brothers.
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what is your definition of mediocre?
exactly what you said: the coaching staff knows this, yet puts him in these situations. a normal qb, not a superman, needs time and the surprise element in order to be effective. very few qbs are that good, like warner, favre, maybe garcia.
most others in the nfl fall in the ok to mediocre category. grbac is one of many who fall in the mediocre bunch. if grbac was really a zero, he would not have lasted this long in the nfl.
let's get back to the coaching staff: why is grbac there in the first place? why don't they come up with more imaginative offensive plays to take that pressure off him, since he can't handle it? for some reason, they seem to feel that grbac is better than cunningham at this stage.
and the is the whole point to phoenix's raising the issue of punting as opposed to a very risky passing play, if indeed they had their time-outs, as i am now getting confused.
well, i really don't want to keep on with any more arguments on this issue. it is over and done with. over and out.
pep
what is your definition of mediocre?
exactly what you said: the coaching staff knows this, yet puts him in these situations. a normal qb, not a superman, needs time and the surprise element in order to be effective. very few qbs are that good, like warner, favre, maybe garcia.
most others in the nfl fall in the ok to mediocre category. grbac is one of many who fall in the mediocre bunch. if grbac was really a zero, he would not have lasted this long in the nfl.
let's get back to the coaching staff: why is grbac there in the first place? why don't they come up with more imaginative offensive plays to take that pressure off him, since he can't handle it? for some reason, they seem to feel that grbac is better than cunningham at this stage.
and the is the whole point to phoenix's raising the issue of punting as opposed to a very risky passing play, if indeed they had their time-outs, as i am now getting confused.
well, i really don't want to keep on with any more arguments on this issue. it is over and done with. over and out.
pep
