ENGLAND vs. INDIA 2 point play

british bulldog

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Yes, at last I,m dipping into a game in the opening stages of the World Cup. Both sides have everything to play for and a win for either country will guarantee progress in the competition.

England have a solid look to them, with three players taking on two roles Stewart, Flintoff and White. Collingwood has performed the role of Thorpe with great effect, and the bowling has been tight.

India have a terrific top three. The form of the rest of the batsman is questionable due to lack of time at the crease. Their fielding is poorer than England's and their bowling has less depth.

England are priced at 11/10, India are at 4/5. India's chances depend on batting first, where as I feel England although better at defending a score are capable of scoring 230 batting second. This really is a close game on paper and should be priced at 10/11 each of two. England's all round game, especially in the field, is slightly superior and a repeat performance of that put up against Pakistan will see England victorius.

2 pts WIN ENGLAND @ 11/10
 

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I'm on as well - Think the market is wrong here. India have done nothing to prove that they should be favs. Will be very keen if England bat 1st
 

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Sorry to all who played on this advice.

Not much to say other than, England were outplayed. The chances now of progressing to the supersixes depend on India beating Pakistan. Although arch rivals, they are all but neighbours and I would bet on it that the result is already known.
 

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BB - I'd be astonished if this game was iffy - they absolutely despise each other!!! The losing team won't be able to go home for weeks regardless of how they do !

Put it this way I'd like to be on the 'over' in the bouncers + beamers market!

hoss

PS On what I've seen India are different class to Pakistan - them have team spirit + composure + confidence - 3 things that Pakistan are woefully short of. (oh, and they can run between the wickets:D )
 

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Now have I got this right.

If (when) England lose to Austalia and Pakistan win next game and lose to India both teams will (england and Pakistan) will have 12 points.

How is supersixes position determined. Is it net run rate first or is it who beat who from top three, because if its the latter, if Pakistan lose to India England will be through regardless of how well they do in next game.

I've completely lost track of these groups with sides playing days apart. You would think that all group games would be played on same day at same start time, especially last games of the groups.

All I am saying is there is plenty of opportunity for match fixing with these games taking place at different times on different days.
 

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This from the ICC Playing Conditions


The first round of the competition will be the Group Matches.

Each team will play every other team in its group. Points will be allocated for each match in accordance with the
system described in clauses 21.9 and 21.10 of these playing conditions, which will apply throughout the competition.

21.9 Points
The following point system will apply:
Win 4
Tie or no result 2
Loss 0

21.9.1 Group Matches
In the event of teams finishing on equal points in either Group, the right to play in the Super Six stage will be
decided in the following order of priority:

? The most wins in the group matches.

? When two teams have both equal points and equal wins, the team which was the winner of the Group
Match played between them will be placed in the higher position.
When more than two teams have equal points and equal wins, the team which was the winner of most
number of matches played between those teams will be placed in the higher position.

? If still equal, the team with the higher net run rate in the group matches will be placed in the higher
position (refer to 21.9.5 below for the calculation of net run rate).

? If still equal, the team with the higher number of wickets taken per balls bowled in the Group Matches
in which results were achieved will be placed in the higher position.

? In the highly unlikely event that teams cannot be separated by the above this will be done by drawing
lots.

21.9.2 Super Six Matches
The six teams that qualify for the Super Six phase carry forward the points that they have gained in the
Group Matches as follows:

? Win v other qualifiers - 4 points each (Tie or no result ? 2 points each)

? Win v non-qualifiers - 1 point each (Tie or no result ? ? point each)
The points carried forward by each team are added to those they gain in the Super Six Matches, to form the
Super Six league table.
In the event of teams finishing on equal points at the end of the Super Six stage, the right to play in the Semifinal
will be decided in the following order of priority:

? The most wins in all of the matches throughout the competition against the other Super Six qualifiers.

? When two teams have both equal points and equal wins, the team which was the winner of the matched
played between them (in either the Group or Super Six Matches) will be placed in the higher position.
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When more than two teams have equal points and equal wins, the team which was the winner of the
most number of matches played between those teams (in both the Group and Super Six Matches) will be
placed in the higher position.

? If still equal, the team with the higher net run rate in all matches played against the other Super Six
qualifiers (in both the Group and Super Six Matches) will be placed in the higher position (refer to
21.9.5 below for calculation of net run rate).

? If still equal, the team with the higher number of wickets taken per balls bowled in all of the matches
throughout the competition against the other Super Six qualifiers in which results were achieved, will
be placed in the higher position.

? In the highly unlikely event that teams cannot be separated by the above this will be done by drawing
lots.

21.9.3 Semi Final
If a Semi-final is tied or there is a no result, the team that finished higher at the end of the Super Six phase as
decided by clause 21.9.2 shall proceed to the Final.

21.9.4 Final
In the event of a tied Final or if there is no result in the three days allocated, the World Cup and prize money
will be shared by the finalists.

21.9.5 Net Run Rate
For the purpose of 21.9.1 above, a team?s net run rate is calculated by deducting from the average runs per
over scored by that team throughout the group matches, the average runs per over scored against that team
throughout the group matches.

For the purpose of 21.9.2 above, a team?s net run rate is calculated by deducting from the average runs per
over scored by that team in all matches played against the Super Six qualifiers, the average runs per over
scored against that team in all such matches.

In the event of a team being all out in less than its full quota of overs, the calculation of its net run rate shall
be based on the full quota of overs to which it would have been entitled and not on the number of overs in
which the team was dismissed.

Only those matches where results are achieved will count for the purpose of net run rate calculations. Where
a match is abandoned, but a result is achieved under Duckworth/Lewis, for net run rate purposes Team 1 will
be accredited with Team 2?s Par Score on abandonment off the same number of overs faced by Team 2.

Where a match is concluded but with Duckworth/Lewis having been applied at an earlier point in the match,
Team 1 will be accredited with 1 run less that the final Target Score for Team 2 off the total number of overs
allocated to Team 2 to reach the target.
 

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I jumped off halfway through....just had a funny feeling. So just lost a little. No sweat.

GL in the future.
 

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Derek,

The HossMeister is right! There is no way a India-Pakistan World Cup fixture would be fixed. There is decades worth of history in this match, and due to the political problems between both countries, cricket is seen as a form of expression.

They will be trying 100% to beat each other!! Am I right that one of the countries governments banned this fixture, apart from official games such as the World Cup?? :shrug:

Should be a great spectacle! :eek:
 

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Yes Crooky I think it was something like you said. Unless they play in a tournament organised by the ICC on neutral venue then one of the countries have refused to participate.

I just smell a rat, although they are bitter rivals, both come from Asia and success in competition would do wonders for that part of the world.
 
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