Fall Of A One Time(Literally) Champion

kegray1

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Yeah Nadal has passed him these days, but I would take Roger anyday over Novak.
 

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Agree Roddick overhyped, but not sure he has it in him to do better than he's done. He is not the strongest mentally. He has never been able to gain even average consistency on ground strokes. You can't win without that, no matter how good your serve is. But he gets himself in peak condition, so clearly he is trying. It appears he hit his limit just inside the top ten.

It looks like Andy Murray may go the same way. He has a little more in the tool kit than Roddick, but he has similiar mental weakness and second-rate groundstroke consistency.

The question to me is why are Americans so frequently technically inferior to Europeans in tennis, soccer, boxing, basketball, etc.? It must be something cultural.
 

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The question to me is why are Americans so frequently technically inferior to Europeans in tennis, soccer, boxing, basketball, etc.? It must be something cultural.

I'll give you tennis and soccer but in no way are Americans inferior to Europeans in boxing and basketball......
 

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I would say the boxing in the US is still on equal ground.
Pound for Pound in most peoples eyes still have 5 americans in the top 10.
Mayweather considered #1 by most.
Hopkins is still top 10.
As are Chad Dawson and Paul Williams.
It is hard to ignore Shane Mosley either.

Basketball is not even close. Yes Team USA has choked but don't think for a second the world is better.

I don't mind going off topic since everyone agrees Roddick blows.
 

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wrong.......Roddick hardly "blows"....

bad kegray.........bad bad kegray:nooo:
 

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Roddick may just be one of if not the worst ever World Ranked #1 Mens tennis players in the history of the sport.

He is a ONE TRICK PONY.
Big serve or bust and many times that is still not even enough.
As mentioned earlier, for a guy who works on his game so hard and conditions himself so well he just never seems to put it together.
 

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I would say the boxing in the US is still on equal ground.
Pound for Pound in most peoples eyes still have 5 americans in the top 10.
Mayweather considered #1 by most.
Hopkins is still top 10.
As are Chad Dawson and Paul Williams.
It is hard to ignore Shane Mosley either.

It seems to me the media (ESPN) lose interest the second a European wins the belt, and they start focusing their attention on the lighter weights. I get tired of hearing heavyweight division is dead because they don't want to cover it.

Basketball is not even close. Yes Team USA has choked but don't think for a second the world is better.

It is still better overall. Slightly. The best basketball game I saw in the last few years was some international competition in the middle of the night, between USA and Spain. The ESPN sports guy mentioned this in a column, and he was completely right - it was an incredible game and no one saw it.

Spain, with a backup teenage guard, came within a Dwayne Wade 3-pointer of upsetting the very best Americans. Just one game, yes, but it is quite clear that the US is no longer in a class of its own - overall.

I wasn't talking about overall, though, I was referring to skills. Pau Gasol is probably the best example, Nowitzski is second best. It's not that America doesn't produce players who in some sense are as good as these or better, but that the skills that they display you NEVER see from Americans. You never see Americans who shoot with the technical ability of Nowitski or pass with the ability of Gasol. Without checking, I would guess the average Euro NBA player has higher FT and 3-point percentages, and I'm sure they're better passers. Even their bums, their stiffs like that Ilgauskas for Cleveland - just call to your mind him passing or shooting - America does not produce people with that level of technical skill. And that has to be due to the general culture or training methods because you see it across sports. It's even true in baseball. If you watch the Asian teams play in the World Baseball Classic, you see the same thing: that they play technically correctly a higher percentage of the time than Americans do. Americans are unique in valuing noise and glitter (style and presentation) over skill. That's what I see, and I think it is backed by the evidence.
 

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Roddick may just be one of if not the worst ever World Ranked #1 Mens tennis players in the history of the sport.

He is a ONE TRICK PONY.
Big serve or bust and many times that is still not even enough.
As mentioned earlier, for a guy who works on his game so hard and conditions himself so well he just never seems to put it together.

The question to me is, and I think Kickserv is best qualified to answer:

what is the source of Roddick's inabiltiy to lower his Unforced Errors? If I thought he were lazy, I would attribute it to lacking of caring or practice. But all accounts say otherwise - he's focused, he lost weight, he plays very hard, he gives every indication of it mattering to him that he win and play well. So that leads me to think that his inabiltiy to improve his groundstrokes, over a decade, is simply due to his mental weakness under pressure. I'm open to a better explanation.
 

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I won't explain.....ask kegray....he thinks he could beat Roddick:rolleyes:

Well I tried to get it back on topic: why is it that whenever you back Roddick with money you feel stupid and sick to your stomach watching the match because you know that fucker will go on tilt if the other guy hits it back to him more than 3-4 times. Why is that? You were a pro. Wouldn't your strategy vs Roddick be, I just have to keep the ball between the lines until he blows up. I can do that, and if he has an off day serving, I can beat him. :shrug:
 

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Well I am not sure I could beat Roddick, but ANYONE and I mean ANYONE on the tour is capable of stepping up and beating him.

He has proven that by letting qualifiers take him out in majors.
Something that should never happen to a guy that was ranked #1 in the world.

Pathetic.
 
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