First it was Italy, now Spain , who's the next victim??

[Andy]

Thanks FIFA for entaintaint us with their "corruption" and making this World Cup as the most "dirty" sports event on earth. Screw the Refs, every calls were against Italy, and today every call was against Spain. No doubt the Korean players played hard, but hell, every game they played, there were "dirty" stuffs happened. Against Portugal, 2 Portugues got sent off by red card. Against Italy, a tremendous numbers of questioning calls including the "dive" by Totti, and the Off-side call on Tommasi. I watched the game today, and I kept on telling myself, "no shit, it's not gonna happen again..." , many off-side calls were questionable, one dis-allowed goal when the side ref claim the ball crossed the goal line, re-play show it never cross the goal line and that header should have been a goal. On the last PK , by rule, Goal Keeper can move sideway but can't move up his line until the Striker kick the ball... The Korean's goalie moved up his line with couple steps before Joaquin kick the ball, that PK should have been re-take. Screw the refs and fifa.


Andy

 

[nostromo]

I thought the ref was very good today.

 

[Andy]

nostromo

nostromo

Did you see the 2 dis-allowed goals when they were both solid and should have stand. One was being call off-side, the 2nd goal is when Joaquin crossed into the box and headed into the net by Moriente, the side ref ruled the ball was already crossed the goal line and dis-allow the goal. Replay showed the ball never crossed the goal line, that goal should have stand. How long and how far are they going to help a team to advance??

Andy

 

[TIME TO MAKE $$$]

I hear ya Andy, remember FIFA makes more $$$$$ the further Korea advances...

 

[nostromo]

listen...I don't want to get into an argument here, but...

Japan is a much bigger market than Korea. Japan played Turkey in the 2nd round and Korea had just about the toughest draw imaginable - Italy, Spain, Germany.
If you believe in some conspiracy theories, wouldn't it be much easier for FIFA to sacrifice Turkey and Senegal/Sweden than Italy and Spain???

Linesmen have been horrible throughout the tournament and made at least 5 bad calls in every game.

I guess it's better to go out against the hosts then against Senegal or USA, you can always blame the refs.

FIFA doesn't make any additional $$$ from Korea advancing as far as possible, not at this stage of the tournament. Semis and final would be sold out regardless of who qualifies.

It helps the popularity of the sport there but as far as I know, Japan could use such a boost more than Korea.

 

[TIME TO MAKE $$$]

What I am saying is this, FIFA wants or would like to see KOREA win it all, its all about $

 

[Andy]

I didn't blame the refs, I said **** the refs, that is different. Now go watch the games with your wide open eyes, cause you missed alot of the calls. Good luck. By the way, if you don't agree with what I say, then don't bother to reply in my thread, that is simple.

Andy

 

[nostromo]

By the way, if you don't agree with what I say, then don't bother to reply in my thread, that is simple.

well said. :toast:
I obviously don't get the concept of public message forums.

 

[TheItalianguy]

you must be blind not to see the bad calls against spain today. it must be a big coincidence that all this calls against Portugal, Italy, Spain were in Korea's favor.

 

[hash]

there have been questionable calls true but the one that went over the end-line was called before the play even got off so I'm not sure on that one....the officiating has been inconsistent but probably looks more blatant when called against the better teams who normally get the beneficial call.....just my two pence.

 

[Spock]

i guess the view of how the refs were changes depending on which side you have bet on

 

[hash]

Well said Spock. I think that sums it up....I had the US yesterday and there was a handball non-call against a German defender and I didn't howl because sometimes it works in your favor and sometimes it doesn't....:shrug:

 

[KsYaS]

The refs in general are not working well, a lot of games was screwing up by the refs, but I just remember one!! that fvckin handball of the Goalkeeper for a second of Mcbride!!!!!!!!!!

The refs are not just to the local side, and by other hand, do you look the final of France '98??? what a stupid game!! France shouldn't ever win a World Cup!!

later


Javier

 

[Andy]

by rules...

by rules...

It's not a hand ball in USA/Germany game, the ball played the defender and touched his hand , if the defender have raised his hand and prevent the ball to go into the net, then it should have been a hand ball and a red card. USA got bad break in that game, I was very impressed to see how they played in that game. If not for the Germany' goalie, USA should have won the game in the first half. Now the different between Germany and Korea is class, the Germans showed alot of classes to even admit that they were lucky to win the game over USA (go to fifa.com and read what Beckenbauer said. The USA/Germany game is the most friendly game in this world cup. I watched the end of that game and I was very impress to see how much respects they have to each others... players were huggin, shaking hand, even Rudi Voeller (Germanys Coach) went out and shake hands to every USA players. Korea is different, in almost all of their games, we don't see the sportmanship showing by the end of the games, their fans were so bad that they have to "booo" Spanish players everytime they take penalty... this is my last comment to discuss about this matter, ohh by the way did you know that Germany have helped the USA Soccer Federation alot in the recent years?

Andy

 

[JediCapper]

As long as Brazil wins...I`ll be happy

 

[KsYaS]

Andy:

I was talking about the handball of McBride in the Mexico/USA game!!!

Javier

 

[PerpetualCzech]

If you look very closely on the 2nd disallowed goal by Spain the side judge looks at the flight of the ball and only *then* raises the flag. That really reveals a lot about what he was thinking IMO. I mean, the ball wasn't even close to being out - the rules say that even if part of it is in bounds then it is still in play.

The refs' bosses are the same ones that benefit if Korea wins. I think it's reasonable to think that some funny business was at least *possibly* going on here ...

 

[Cartman88]

If you look very closely on the 2nd disallowed goal by Spain the side judge looks at the flight of the ball and only *then* raises the flag.

Very relevant comment you have made here.

I saw the same thing.

 

[Andy]

KsYaS...

KsYaS...

Yes I know you were talking about the "hand ball" in USA/Mexico game, tough loss there buddy. Hopefully we will get more fair and clean football in the future.


PerpetualCzech

You've just said it all, I watched the re-play of that game (video tape) yesterday, I saw exactly what you said that the side ref didn't raised the flag when the ball was on the ground. After Joaquin crossed the ball inside and right before Morientes headed the ball into the net, the side ref decided to raised the flag. Wonder what the hell he was thinking, he might be thinking " ohhh shit, there are 2 spanish players in the box, if I don't raise the flag they will definately score on this....I better raise this ****ing flag!!" . Not taking all the credit Korea have earn, but everything is very much dirty since the game against Portugal. Did you notice that in the final second of the second extra time period, Spain earned a corner kick, they thought it was their last chance to get a goal with that corner, but the referee blew the whistle to end the extra time??? That is ridiculous, I've never seen anything like that my whole life watching soccer. Spain earned that corner kick, by rule, the corner kick should be taken. Hope we will see a clean and fair game against Germany, otherwise why don't FIFA just give the Korean the damn Cup.

Andy

 

[nostromo]

I will go back to the Croatia-Italy game again...
The bad calls against Italy in that game were much worse than this - flagging offside on a backward pass is not a judgement error, it's an ignorance of rules.
Yet everybody attributed that to the general lack of quality of linesmen, now suddenly it's a conspiracy in Korea's favour.

There was no offside called on the first Spanish goal, but a foul against Spanish striker. Dozens of similar calls go in favour of defenders all the time and nobody is ever making a big deal out of it (although I personally disagree with double standards for defenders and strikers, but it is common practice).
The play was stopped before the ball went into the net on both occassions (and before it was headed in).

There is never any added time in extra time. At the end of 1st and 2nd half, the corner would probably have been taken, but the ball crossed the line at exactly 120:00 so that was just sour grapes by Spaniards.
I would be more interested to know why there were 4 minutes added in the 1st half of Brazil-England and then, after Brazil equalized, it was shortened by one whole minute. Looks lot less kosher to me.

Now if someone could please elaborate on this money making scheme by ref's bosses and FIFA, I'm all ears.
Again, why not Japan?