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whats your take on tito/liddell fight fletch....me, i believe tito will be too much for chuck..tito will stand up with him for awail then shoot and ground and pound chuck into submission.. i really like tito in this fight... what do u think fletch or anybody.. ;)
 

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tito has worked very hard on this fight an will not get showen up again like he did in the last big fight he lost to randy, if he does not win this fight he is done as a top bill fighter in the cage, can't lose 2 major fights in a row and expect to be getting the top bill fights, i think he takes him in in 1 or 2. just to much on the line for him. IMO

good luck

Eric
 

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Tito never took Liddell down in training, and this is why he avoided the fight for years. If Tito cannot take you down, he has no chance of winning.

Liddell has amazing balance and is every bit the wrestler Ortiz is. Even if Tito does get him down, Chuck will pop right back up. His scramble is incredible. He stood up against Couture several times.

Tito's advantage in this fight - his only one - is conditioning. Liddell tires easily as of late. Tito will be able to turn up the heat in a three-round fight if he suspects Chuck is gassing. Once Liddell tires, Ortiz would be able to hold him down, just as Couture did.

Very dicey fight and not one to bet on. If you must, take the 'dog money on a 50/50 bout. On paper, it''s a terrible match-up for Tito.
 

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Royler welcome to the fight posting, good to see your view, I like to stay with boxing much much more, anything can happen in ufc with 1 bad move or a freak thing like coutures last fight, i like the nice price + on the under but it will be good i hope , will be on hand for a very nice card, but it can go like you said either way, i just think tito has more to lose and he looked in great shape at the weigh ins, chuck looked a little i don't know if i would say softer not a great word but just did not look in the best shape, and i was not the only one who thought that, but it was not the greatest lighting today for some reason, but should be a good match either way, i mess around with it once in awhile i follow it , but i am way nore of a boxing handicapper then ufc not that i have not faired well but just so much can change so fast with 1 little mistake and that is a big reason it is tuff to capp and also don't have the inside support that you get from boxing, like i have always said if it is good for boxing over all then, you already have a 70-75% chance of cashing if you know who and what is good for boxing over all in their eyes which is money and rematches if you get my drift;)

Good luck with what ever you do if anything and enjoy it either way. and thanks for posting don't be shy it is always good to have others post and any insite is better then no insite so hope to see you around more:)

Eric
 

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Fletcher,

I'm not sure what you saw ,but the weigh-ins haven't happened yet. Someone posted a recent picture of Liddell and he looks to be in tremendous shape...

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I would not play the under, as these two could very easily fail to finish the fight with only three rounds to work with.

As of now, I'll take Liddell by decision, but it's beyond me.
 

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local media night with interviews from sportstalk 920 and 1040 he did not look likr that when he took off his shirt at all. like i said it was bad lighting and they talked about the fights you can catch clips of it on the net on the clubhouse show, i will see if i can find the link, was only about 60 people in the room. scale was in the back so figured they weighed in before i got there unless it is open to public today and nothing on either sports show about it being open to public, the boxing is and only people there are boxing people went to a few was a waste of time, only reason i was at this was to picl up 2 passes from the friend who got them for jeri. there must of been 20 some people on stage all or most fighters and ufc people, one person i do not know and did not stick around was boring was one big guy will see if he fights had to be like 6'4 maybe a little less about i would say 240 maybe more he was in a tank top and on stage with shades more at the end of the seating. i will see if i can find you the link to hear what they said, was very low key nothing like a boxing media day, no managers or promtores talking back in forth just a few questions and soft replys that you could hardley hear. but he look thicker then that in the abs or flat looking like lack of fluids when body builders cut back on fluids for a day or 2 before comp, will call the clubhouse and see if they have a net link you can listen to on the net.

they both said they are going to take each other out before the end and cause pain, that was about as much excitment there was,but like you said it is a coin flip, if the guy i saw is a fighter and fights i will tell you who he is was hard to see unless you had media pass, what few others were there were kept back and lighting and sound sucked, boxing you can hear great and they have it lit up big time.
 
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you can read all about last night on lvrj.com and go to sports i missed a lot like i said i came in just to grab my tickets and poped in, but from what kevin iole just told me , he said he has it on page 2 did not get paper yet , they moved into the octagon for more promo and there was major insults from ortiz, and ortiz also made fun of the way liddell physique looked and then flipped him off and said your the best and flipped him off again he said liddell did not say much, so i know what i saw i am not blind and it was in print today in the paper kevin says page 2 and they did do a weigh in last night and will have 1 today, he said yesterday was just for pictures on the scale , about all liddell said was tito always tries to act like a punk kid, also said whay i just told you he looked flat and he is a sports writer that covers most of the fights out here so i saw what i saw and there is no replay of the event of last night on radio, he said you might be able to catch something on am 1460 on the net out of vegas he said they ran it live so they might have clips audio of last night, he also said just got off the phone with him that liddell has a bs from cal poly and a very smart person, he must be to have a degree from there but you can read about it all at the site of the vegas paper then hit sports he said, i would of liked to see tito and here the insults he let fly and he made a few different obsscene gestures, but if i tell you i was some where and saw it then you can count that it was not made up. all 11,000+ tickets are sold only brokers out here have them now, so will have people flying in all day for fri's fight but they were there and they did step on the scales but unofficle he said, i knew i was not blind saw them and saw scales, like i said it was boring for what little i stayed around but it heated up when they moved to the octagon for more pictures and pre fight stuff. but it happened look it up and you will see everything i said last night in the vegas paper today except the part i missed. and he did not look like that picture and like i aid just got off the phone trying to find you a link a someone who covers fights and wrote the article said the same thing to me he looked looked flat i said soft same thing. so i am sure we are not both blind and he has seen liddell more then me i have only seen him live for the 2nd time time yesterday, saw him last year against couture in june , but read the article it is a good one he said, also he said tito kept calling him the snowman, but he could not get liddell to lose his cool. he aslo thinks it goes under 2 rounds and he is not bad, i will check odds out here later when i go out and grab the papers i need for the day, i think the link to the paper is www.lvrj.com if not just do a serch of las vegas review journal and you can find it, but it was there live like i said it was.
 

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what i believe is this,i think tito should of fought this guy much earlier.... i dont believe what tito has said all along.. "WE WERE FREINDS,WE AGREED NOT TO FIGHT" thats total b.s tito..( i dont buy it ).. i think tito would of took chuck out easily if he fought him at the time he started to duck him.. fighting him now is a much more dangerous fight due to the fact that chuck has lost 2 out of his last 3 fights...chuck really needs this fight BAD....( REAL BAD ) im still putting up to win 200.00 on tito.. but i would of put the house on tito when this fight should of happened... by the way,i cant find a line on this fight....anyone here know???? thanks and good luck guys........
 

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Liddell won't be able to continiously stand-up everytime Tito gets a takedown. Liddell's sprawl is good, but he showed in the Couture and Rampage fights that he can be taken down and kept there. Chuck throws such loopy punches...I don't see Tito getting caught with one while they are standing and that is the only chance I see Chuck having, a flash knockout. Plus, if it goes past two rounds, Tito has the big edge in cardio/conditioning. As much as I hate Tito, he should control the fight and, unfortunately, grind-out a decision.
 

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"Liddell won't be able to continiously stand-up everytime Tito gets a takedown. Liddell's sprawl is good, but he showed in the Couture and Rampage fights that he can be taken down and kept there."

Careful with that kind of logic...

Liddell sprang up like a friggin' Jack-in-the-Box the first few times Couture took him down, and Couture is 10x the wrestler Ortiz is. The reason he was eventually planted - as with Quinton - is because both of those guys were able to punish him standing. Once he was worn out on the feet, a successful shot followed.

Ortiz *cannot* do the same. He shies away from exchanging punches and there is no way on Earth he can clip Chuck on the feet.

I've been back-and-forth on this fight, but ultimately it comes down to this: with three rounds, Liddell shouldn't get too tired. He can tag Ortiz standing and avoid the takedown. And if he does get taken down, he'll get right back up.

Liddell showed up to the weigh-ins smiling last night. Ortiz, who is normally cocky and mouthy, kept quiet. He tried the ol' "made ya flinch" shot and Liddell didn't budge. Actually, Liddell gave him the fingers. :)

Tito is fragile psychologically. The Couture fight broke his confidence and he *never* wanted Chuck. In a loss, he can rebound when the UFC feeds him a 180 lb. Lee Murray in a grudge match.

Liddell takes this. KO of Tito's confidence two years ago. He'll just cash in his ticket tonight.
 

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royler...are you saying

royler...are you saying

that,basically,liddell will stop tito?..... i don`t see liddell winning a decision or out wrestling ortiz....

asking a question....not debating....you know more about this than i do...

thanks..
 

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i put the fawking thing in at -170 tito,what the fawk,this is starting to feel like the tito/randy fight when the line leaped the same way against me.....:rolleyes:
 

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Ortiz is -120 and lidell is -110 at oly that's a big drop. What's going on are they just playing with the line :shrug: . I went with lidell at +120 an hour ago fawk it took a shot at it :nutkick
 

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these numbers at 5 Dimes keeping me off Ortiz

Apr-2 10901 ORTIZ WINS IN RND 1 +720
11:00 PM 10902 NOT ORTIZ IN RND 1 -1125

Apr-2 11901 ORTIZ WINS IN RND 2 +720
11:00 PM 11902 NOT ORTIZ IN RND 2 -1125

Apr-2 12901 ORTIZ WINS IN RND 3 +465
11:00 PM 12902 NOT ORTIZ IN RND 3 -630

Apr-2 13901
 
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