Foreclosure sob story of the morning

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Foreclosure sob story of the morning
By Michelle Malkin ? August 12, 2008 10:06 AM Nope, the MSM has learned nothing from the subprime debacle, stimulus-palooza, and the foreclosure frenzy. They are still printing sob stories to elicit sympathy for borrowers who don?t deserve it.

Check this out from the San Francisco Chronicle. Cue the world?s smallest violin:

Foreclosed family?s last goodbye to home

Joann Gardner sat forlornly on her living room floor, waiting for the final step in her home?s foreclosure process. The lender?s representative was due any moment to give her ?cash for keys,? a transaction in which she would deliver her family home vacant in exchange for an incentive payment.

?I?m glad it?s done,? Gardner said wearily. ?I just want to sit down and have some Hennessy.?

Only days earlier, the house had been jammed with boxes and bags holding the worldly goods her family had accumulated during 54 years in the cramped Oakland bungalow.

Now it was entirely empty, the possessions in storage or donated to the Salvation Army. Gardner?s elderly parents, both suffering from dementia and other ailments, had moved a week earlier to a local board-and-care home whose cost would be covered by their Social Security and pension checks. Gardner, who has been her parents? full-time care provider for the past 18 months, planned to move in with her boyfriend in Vallejo and look for a job, perhaps something at Costco.
Buried into the article, after all the gnashing of teeth, we find out the nitty-gritty:

Joann?s parents, Johnnie Gardner, 87, and Estelle, 88, bought the two-bedroom in the Sobrante Park neighborhood in 1954 for $11,500. His salary as an electrician at the Oakland naval shipyard allowed them to make the payments.

But in recent years, Joann and her brother refinanced it several times for increasingly larger amounts.

The final refinance at the end of 2006 left the family owing $454,000. The monthly payments of $3,362 exceeded the household income of $3,144.

What happened to the money from all the refinances?

Gardner can?t quite say. Some went to paying off credit cards; some was eaten up in huge loan fees. What is clear is that the family has not made a mortgage payment since December 2006.
What the??!?!?!?!

The money wasn?t going to her parents? health-care expenses. She didn?t have a job. ?Some? went to credit card bills. ?Some? was ?eaten up? by loan fees.

And the rest?

She can?t even cite some other catastrophic cost? or stupid decision like the Extreme Makeover family made ? to explain how $454,000 was pissed away.

And I?m supposed to feel my heartstrings tugged?

All together now: Boo-freaking-hoo.
 

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Hey, as long as we keep bailing out the banks and the big shots everything is cool with you I guess.
 

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Hey, as long as we keep bailing out the banks and the big shots everything is cool with you I guess.

Just curious, what is your opinion of Hennessy-sipping Joann Gardner's actions which led to this foreclosure?
 

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Just curious, what is your opinion of Hennessy-sipping Joann Gardner's actions which led to this foreclosure?

No opinion at all. I just find it funny that guys like you love to post the story of someone who should be foreclosed but you get your panties all in a wad if someone says that the banks and the CEO's that directed their practices should be held responsible for something.
 
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"The final refinance at the end of 2006 left the family owing $454,000. The monthly payments of $3,362 exceeded the household income of $3,144."
Anyone have a problem with this?
 

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Once again, the right wing wacko's find one story, I repeat, one story that they feel is representative of the entire sub-prime crisis and make it a poster child. Holy gadzooks Robin, can we say McDonalds coffee case and frivolous lawsuits.

What these morons and the corporate media don't report are the stories about the individuals who refinanced with unscrupulous lenders ie BANKS, and whose interest rates multiplied so that their monthly payments went up hundreds or thousands per month and then couldn't afford the baloon payments.

No problem with the bail out of Bear Stearns. I mean after all they are poor, unsophistacated, republican,mba's from wharton who couldn't go under. The guy making 45k with a 120k home deserves to lose his home.

Viva la Bush.

Fuc you guys.

Eddie
 

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Great post Ed. I don't think there is anyone that feels sorry for a dumb MF'er that lived beyond their means and lost their house accordingly. There is a reason that Countrywide is in deep doodoo kids, and it ain't because their customers are low-life scum looking for handouts. I know this is tough for some of you Limbaugh fans to fathom, but there was some shady stuff going on here.

While we're on the topic, a lot of the foreclosures involve people that never would have qualified for loans in the first place. The banks went apeshit and started handing out loans to people that weren't credit worthy, but the corporate greed and need to compete got in the way. And here we are.
 

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Corporate greed and need to compete. Right On The Money.
 

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funny

I remember all those various ARMS and interest free mortgages originally seen as Christmas morning by most when they originally came out. I don't remember anyone here ever commenting about them in the time I've been here.:shrug: Especially our forum finacial gurus and forum legal hacks. After the fact is a much easier play especially for those that enjoy wallowing in misery. Nice play guys.

Oh yeah, the WSox will sweep the Royals and the Cubs will sweep the Braves in the middle of August. :142smilie

I don't have the numbers, but I know from personal experience (no, I don't have a wife that saves cats out of trees like someone here:mj07: ) that many of the foreclosures in these parts (and I'm gonna say in many other cities as well) were involving property speculators and rehabbers that got caught being way over extended and without ANY equity in the MANY properties they were involved with. This includes every day joe's and monster land acquisition corporations.

Please carry on with your lame circle jerk.

Gmrozz, does one's knees hurt after a post like that? and for how long?

Oh, I forgot. It's all Bushes fault for allowing the option that many took of their own free will.
 

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i don't follow this mess as closely as a lot of you guys but i see something going on around here that's a problem.

these damn builders keep on building more and more spec homes and they're not selling. a neighbor of mine that built a few high dollar homes in my division plus built homes in other divisions, has 13 homes that are completely built and for sale and getting no sales.

she had to quit building and has 13 outstanding loans. she's not the only one that got caught in this mess either. many builders in the same boat. i imagine she also owes material suppliers and sub-contractors as well as interest payments to the banks, with nothing coming in. :scared

now all those sub-contractors need work and the other builders are starting to slow down or stop building too. the suppliers aren't selling as much and hardly getting paid on the materials they already sold in the last year :scared

i've been saying this for the last 2 years, for around here anyway. wtf are these builders thinking?

there's probably 60 new homes within 4 miles radius of mine for sale in the 300k to 700k range that are just sitting there and probably 15%-20% of the other homes for sale.

prices are dropping along with it and interest rates are going up along with tougher lending restrictions. it's just starting to be a problem in this area and it's only going to get worse.

i guess columbus, indiana is starting to feel the same shit that's been going on in florida and vegas for some time now.
 

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funny

I remember all those various ARMS and interest free mortgages originally seen as Christmas morning by most when they originally came out. I don't remember anyone here ever commenting about them in the time I've been here.:shrug: Especially our forum finacial gurus and forum legal hacks. After the fact is a much easier play especially for those that enjoy wallowing in misery. Nice play guys.

Oh yeah, the WSox will sweep the Royals and the Cubs will sweep the Braves in the middle of August. :142smilie

I don't have the numbers, but I know from personal experience (no, I don't have a wife that saves cats out of trees like someone here:mj07: ) that many of the foreclosures in these parts (and I'm gonna say in many other cities as well) were involving property speculators and rehabbers that got caught being way over extended and without ANY equity in the MANY properties they were involved with. This includes every day joe's and monster land acquisition corporations.

Please carry on with your lame circle jerk.

Gmrozz, does one's knees hurt after a post like that? and for how long?

Oh, I forgot. It's all Bushes fault for allowing the option that many took of their own free will.

That is exactly the point. We are not the experts. Something was sold to us, by the experts. Now we have to bail the experts out. But I guess pointing that out is considered crying. Hey CIE why wasn't Keeko's post considered crying by you? :142smilie
 

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As a resident, forum, legal, hack I do recall the lenders touting 120% loans, 0 down, 0 points, don't have to show no income ad campaign, when home prices were on a seemingly never ending annual increase. Were you expecting us legal beagles to come on here and predict this bubble to burst and the sky falling?

First of all, I don't predict the future too good. (Thats why I don't gamble no more). Secondly, if you will also recall, your party was the one to remove all the restrictions on loans so that the bankers could make all this money, bundle the loans then resell them over and over again in the markets.

Free markets buddy, capitalism at its finest. Banks and lenders got what they wanted--- less government oversight and restriction. The republican way. So, what is the net result when it all comes crashing down.

Seriously, has the government bailed out the guy who is losing his home?

One more time, has the government bailed out the guy who is losing his home?

Or, has the government bailed out the bank who loaned the money and took back the home?

One more time, has the government bailed out the bank who loaned the money and took back the home?

Answer: over 1 million foreclosures and 30 billion bailout to Bear Stearns.

Republicans allowed the banks to make huge profits (removed loan restrictions), when it burst they let banks take the security (houses), and then repaid the banks for any losses with tax dollars.

If your in the club...

Eddie
 

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you would think that the deregulation, supply side geniuses would have learned from the S&L meltdown. But since the government steps in and bails these **** rings out everytime, why would they learn?
 

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Jabs:

I don't think they cared. What they did was they bought a bundle of mortgages and turned around and sold them on the market so fast for the quick buck. Last ones holding the bag lost. Everybody was skimming as the bundles were chopped up and parcelled into packages. Thats why a good defense to a lot of these foreclosures is to file a motion to dismiss the Plaintiff banks because they do not in reality own the note. It's worked in some cases.

Ed
 

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I've said in other threads previously, we should let the banks sink. Outside of possibly Freddie and Fannie (and even that should be of a limited fashion and somehow recouped), no institution should be bailed out. Now the banks are trying to get back money (that was never lost in some situations due to being bailed out) by raising interests on credit of all forms. Also all the fees involved in purchasing through credit. First they make tons of money by flipping away and churn business by creating every refi scenerio possible, then they expect to be bailed out when their por train of thought costs them. To hell with the banks AND those that chose to go with options, through those banks, that seemed easy at the time. I really don't think anything on this scale has happened in banking/housing (not stocks) but I don't know. The housing & banking markets have been in need of a reality check for some time now. It was obvious to any idiot on the street. Prices here were through the roof and rising. Everyone and their brother went and got a realtors license and sold away. I know people in every phase of this collapse. Adjusters, builders, rehabbers, realtors, union contractors, someone that runs a bank branch, and property mgrs.

And Eddie the gov is doing "some" bailing out in these parts.

I'm not going to attempt to defend any party or administration. There are a ton of financialtools available now that weren't 20 years ago. From interest free mortgages to inclosing your IRA in a life insurance policy. I really don't think those creating really care about who's in charge today or tomorrow. Only time will tell who/what creations are not time bombs. They would have come our way regardless sooner or later. Howmany yuppies are going to outlive their reverse mortgages?

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my computer is screwed up right now and I'm about to smash it to pieces
 

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Haskell, I remember all the banks being accused of discrimination against poor people, because they couldn't get loans, now that they got them, we
are told they were to stupid to know what they were signing.
 

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Same ole song and dance by media--tell you half the story that fits their agenda and leaves out parts they don't want you privvy to.

For the umpteenth time--any prudent homeowner is better of now than before--as they all lowered their payments--only the speculators deadbeats in example above etc are paying the price.
Consider how many thousands of dollars the 98% of regular joes who pay their mortages on time saved.

rates from 1983 to present

http://www.hsh.com/mtghst.html

Jack Same thing happened here in early 90's.
A builder extended and bank was after him and friend and I bought 3 new houses in small subdivision he built for probably less than cost.
The 3 total was little over $180,000 --not huge homes by any means but dynamite location.

Real estate not that bad here but if have same opp will do an instant replay again.
 
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Skully:

It wasnt that they couldn't get loans but rather that they were highlighting certain area's of cities and selling minorities the same loans that they would sell white people, only with higher interest rates.

Kinda like what chain grocery stores do. They stock the stores in the wealthier neighborhoods with better quality meats and produce than the stores in the poorer neighborhoods. Thats why you will see a lot of minorities who live in the inner city shopping in the suburban grocery store.

So the inner city banks sold more expensive loans to minorities than suburban banks. They weren't forced to sell bad loans. Just like banks aren't forced to give away credit cards. They just charge you 30% interest.

Banks were more than willing to give poor people who couldn't afford them loans because they could bundle and sell. They just got caught with their pants down. Called timing. When I buy a stock and it drops, I lose and I don't call the government and say bail me out like Bear Stearns did. It pays to contribute to the RNC.

Eddie
 
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