With Invasion around the corner I am hearing a lot of talk that Austin might go to WECW a la Hogan joining the nWo in 1996 at Bash at the Beach. What do you think of that? And what do you and fly think of Raw the last couple of weeks? Personally, I don't like all the skits and pep talks but at least the WECW alliance has given the invasion some direction. I am not expecting a great PPV but at least there are some interesting matchups. I am interested to hear what you guys think of all of this.
Gatorbait...WWF thoughts?
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nick-i think you should spend more time doing what jack pays you to do and thats picking winners.nick gambling is a serious business and your in here fooling around with wrestling talk.nick i know your a pro and just want to get along with everybody here.the problem is half the guys in this forum think that wrestling is real and you might be opening a big can of worms,next thing you know we will have all wrestling talk.nick when you first got hired remember what jack told you beantownjim is in the on deck circle.football is right around the corner nick so lets get to work and never mind with these kid games.(wrestling what a joke ask vegas for a line on that crap)
I don't think that "half of the forum" thinks that wrestling is real.
But I do think that only one person in this forum thought that Jack was serious when he said that beantownjim was in the on-deck circle.
But I do think that only one person in this forum thought that Jack was serious when he said that beantownjim was in the on-deck circle.
Beantime,
That's not fair. WWF is clearly what Nick knows best. He obviously spends tons of time analyzing every aspect of Pro Wrestling and he has every right to wax poetic about this fine sport. Just because you aren't as enlightened as Nick doesn't mean that you should bash him. I can't believe that you would think that extensive energy spent on this would be a waste of time.
That's not fair. WWF is clearly what Nick knows best. He obviously spends tons of time analyzing every aspect of Pro Wrestling and he has every right to wax poetic about this fine sport. Just because you aren't as enlightened as Nick doesn't mean that you should bash him. I can't believe that you would think that extensive energy spent on this would be a waste of time.
BobbyBlueChip...... you just officially made my S*** LIST!!!!!!
I rolled on the floor laughing so hard when i read your post that the kids WOKE UP!!! a full hour before they were allowed to be out of bed this morning
been getting LOTS of hilarious reading lately, but that was WAY too funny. Thanks, needed that
I rolled on the floor laughing so hard when i read your post that the kids WOKE UP!!! a full hour before they were allowed to be out of bed this morning
been getting LOTS of hilarious reading lately, but that was WAY too funny. Thanks, needed that
ROTFLMAO
- I actually look forward to these posts now for a good slice of humor to brighten my day......
kneifl
Thanks for the comments, guys. I don't even want to dignify the first reply with a response.
I am just disappointed that this is yet another flame thread rather than a WWF thread. Oh well.
I am just disappointed that this is yet another flame thread rather than a WWF thread. Oh well.
Er, Beano, any idea what Nick actually does for a job?
May pay you to investigate before you start slobbering at the mouth again...
Mama - LMAO; are you an L7 fan?
May pay you to investigate before you start slobbering at the mouth again...
Mama - LMAO; are you an L7 fan?
We bounced this around before. We dont know what to call WCW or WWF. And beanman you can not get odds on it. First you have to understand what it is. With one exception academy awards. I never seen them win any. Its show time. And there good at there show.
Hey it's a liveing. Everyone needs to make one.
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Hey it's a liveing. Everyone needs to make one.
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sorry bean but i think nick does know all wrestling,he is a wrestling writter for cbs sports line for over 9 years,so somebody must enjoy it.and his write ups and stories are great,should take time to read them,its not what you think.
Are you guys NUTS?????? I don't care if Nick or MJ or God (if you actually think there is one) Handicaps the heck out of that FAKE Theatre.. How much did ANYONE make on futures, overnites ,moneyline,layin' , Whatever ,Get back to the real sh_t.And yes I will put up some "large" mano'on'mano' come college foots. Gee guys, we can't play that BS stuff in the ring, let's get to work here and Beanboy makes more sense than you dumbski shit'o'rama...Spanky...
Geez....get in from about a 16 hour day, walk upstairs, struggling at that, to see if anything good happened in here and see this chit. Nick, honestly I haven't been home from work to catch any wrestling since the last PPV. BET ya I watch the next one as well. I kinda want to see some peoples thoughts on the questions you put out there and then I kinda want to be surprised and noone post anything on the matter. But to see a couple of idiots ruin the thread, that's pathetic and why either of the 2 clowns are still here, I'll never know. I'd definately like to meet you Nick in person and talk sum real rasslin'
Gator,
I have four free flights right now with my airline miles so maybe I can make a trip. I don't want to make any promises or say anything for sure because I might have to find a new job first but maybe I will be able to make a trip out there when teh weather isn't so dreadful in central FLA.
I have four free flights right now with my airline miles so maybe I can make a trip. I don't want to make any promises or say anything for sure because I might have to find a new job first but maybe I will be able to make a trip out there when teh weather isn't so dreadful in central FLA.
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Austin would stun Goldberg's ass all the way back to Atlanta.
As for his turn....I think he will side with WECW this weekend. They cant turn him back so quickly. His heel turn is working and made the WWF interesting again. It had been very boring for the months preceeding his turn. At least now seeing an insecure & paranoid Austin is great TV. I would love to see him go at least another 6 months before he makes a face turn. You heard the pop he got this past Monday night....and thats when it really wasnt a surprise. Everyone knew Austin was coming back to stun everyone.
I would love to see the rock come back as a heel and team with Austin...then perhaps see the Austin turn about 6 months down the road for one more go around as a face before he is done. I think the Rock/Austin combo could be a great heel combo. Would make for plenty of great moments.
Trampled
As for his turn....I think he will side with WECW this weekend. They cant turn him back so quickly. His heel turn is working and made the WWF interesting again. It had been very boring for the months preceeding his turn. At least now seeing an insecure & paranoid Austin is great TV. I would love to see him go at least another 6 months before he makes a face turn. You heard the pop he got this past Monday night....and thats when it really wasnt a surprise. Everyone knew Austin was coming back to stun everyone.
I would love to see the rock come back as a heel and team with Austin...then perhaps see the Austin turn about 6 months down the road for one more go around as a face before he is done. I think the Rock/Austin combo could be a great heel combo. Would make for plenty of great moments.
Trampled
Hi Guys,
I was wondering if someone could tell me how much it costs in the US to order pay per views such as Invasion.
I work for a Pay TV company in Australia and was just curious to see the difference. Down here customers pay about $20AU ($10US) and complain this is too much.
I was wondering if someone could tell me how much it costs in the US to order pay per views such as Invasion.
I work for a Pay TV company in Australia and was just curious to see the difference. Down here customers pay about $20AU ($10US) and complain this is too much.
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Correct me if I'm wrong because i have never ordered one, but I thik they are between $20-$40. It's according to how BIG the event is.
Not to get this thread too far off, but I always wondered why Cricket PPV's were so damned expensive until we hired a guy from India. They are absolutely crazy about that sport. I have never been exposed to it until now, but I can't seem to get into. But, I am just an arrogant American
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dawgball
Not to get this thread too far off, but I always wondered why Cricket PPV's were so damned expensive until we hired a guy from India. They are absolutely crazy about that sport. I have never been exposed to it until now, but I can't seem to get into. But, I am just an arrogant American
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dawgball
I know Dawgball cricket (I do not understand the game very well either) is huge in Asia. They will have a game against India and Pakistan and the countries stop, also it (the match) can last for days.
as for wrestling or "are you guys nuts" I do not understand everything about wrestling and I do not watch it, but some of it does interest me.
saying there is no money in it, okay maybe not in the gambling sense but last time I checked Vince is not on a street corner asking for change.
here are some points to consider (no money)
1.highest rated cable show last year was wrestling.
2. if a wrestler writes a book (no matter how bad it may be) it is not only published but hits the NYtimes bestseller list and stay there for weeks. selling million of copies.
3. I have seen 3 documentary films on the sport on TV.
4. merchandising, walk through a large store and tell me you do not see one item clothing, toys related to wrestling.
5. they put out a CD it sell millions and is at the top of the charts everytime,
6. Direct TV is looking at starting up or helping another wrestling promotion to get back the 20-30 PPV events they lost the last year. that is MONEY.
7. they go into an arena and sell out 20000 for their main weekly shows, (I remember hearing last year how they sold out a stop in Cleveland, they were saying how they would dream to get 18-20thousand out to a basketball game, average 9,000 (if that).
I do not own WWF stock, when it IPO thought there was to much hype and quickly became overvalued.
I have some problems with wrestling but it is becoming a huge industry, like it or not.
thanks
selkirk
as for wrestling or "are you guys nuts" I do not understand everything about wrestling and I do not watch it, but some of it does interest me.
saying there is no money in it, okay maybe not in the gambling sense but last time I checked Vince is not on a street corner asking for change.
here are some points to consider (no money)
1.highest rated cable show last year was wrestling.
2. if a wrestler writes a book (no matter how bad it may be) it is not only published but hits the NYtimes bestseller list and stay there for weeks. selling million of copies.
3. I have seen 3 documentary films on the sport on TV.
4. merchandising, walk through a large store and tell me you do not see one item clothing, toys related to wrestling.
5. they put out a CD it sell millions and is at the top of the charts everytime,
6. Direct TV is looking at starting up or helping another wrestling promotion to get back the 20-30 PPV events they lost the last year. that is MONEY.
7. they go into an arena and sell out 20000 for their main weekly shows, (I remember hearing last year how they sold out a stop in Cleveland, they were saying how they would dream to get 18-20thousand out to a basketball game, average 9,000 (if that).
I do not own WWF stock, when it IPO thought there was to much hype and quickly became overvalued.
I have some problems with wrestling but it is becoming a huge industry, like it or not.
thanks
selkirk
It is $30 for a normal WWF PPV. Wrestlemania has been $40 the past two years.
Trampled, it looks like the entire WWF is faces right now. Plans for splitting the promotions with a draft on 7/30 were scrapped and now who knows if WECW will ever be a separate promotion. Word is that Rocky vs. Austin is locked in for Summerslam so that would mean that one of the two would join WECW. Maybe the Rock will. As far as Austin being a heel, he was funny but the fact is that business went WAY down with him in that role. It seems fans don't want to see a wuss, goofball Austin. Or at least they don't want to pay to see it.
As far as wrestling's popularity and what slekirk posted, there are just a couple of things I would say there.
1) It is the highest regular weekly cable program except for ESPN Sunday Night Football, but it is understandable to discount that since football is only on a 17 week schedule.
2) The number of viewers Raw draws is generally equal to or slightly less than Smackdown, and Smackdown is generally ranked in the 90's or 100's in broadcast television ratings each week.
3) When TNN acquired Raw they immediately jumped into the top ten cable networks, but that is only due to Raw's ratings. USA network dropped ratings wise without Raw but their revenues actually went up. If you take Raw out of the TNN schedule, they would basically have no change in their ratings. The point is that while Raw draws great ratings, is not a great television show in some ways because its audience is very specific in their tastes so they don't tend to help the network as a whole by watching other shows.
4) Wrestling merchandise is really on the downswing. The audience wrestling has lost since 1999 is mostly kids and teens and that is who went gangbusters on t-shirts and dolls.
5) While Raw shows and PPVs generally still sell out, Smackdown taping attendance is tailing a bit. Non teleivised show attendance is really dropping. In fact, they recently cancelled a non televised show in San Francisco due to poor ticket sales. They were planning to make Smackdown a live show to attempt to boost ticket sales an ratings (a dumb move IMO because a live WWF broadcast is a $350,000 production cost) but those plans are now up in the air and only a couple of shows in August are going to be live for sure.
6) You are absolutely right about wrestling books. Some of that amazes me since most of them are weak but Foley's books have both been very good. The only thing I would add is that non-WWF wrestling books have done relatively poorly.
7) Many of their CDs have done very well but the last one experienced disappointing sales. That was mainly due to it lacking most main event themes.
8) DirecTV is NOT going to be funding any wrestling promotions. There are not even negotiations going on. Pro wrestling is not viable on PPV unless you have strong weekly television and there is only one promotion with weekly TV. Matrats, a promotion out of Calgary featuring mostly teens doing high flying moves, is scheduled to debut on PPV on 10/28 but that will fail without weekly TV. Hogan has been in negotiations for a while with Universal for a possible theme park attraction or restaurant and he will probably do a television pilot but getting that on PPV is a long shot. Dusty Rhodes has been promoting Turnbuckle Championship Wrestling out of Atlanta and trying to get on PPV but that is another long shot.
The bottom line is that unless some money mark comes along and offers $30 million+ to someone trying to promote wrestling, the only PPVs for the near future are going to come from the WWF. The plan was to have WECW do their own separate PPVs but that was dependent on doing a separate weekly TV shows with separate rosters. The only things wrestling related at all on PPV besides the WWF will be PRIDE, a mixed martial arts promotion from Japan, and UFC, which will have full cable clearance for a show in October.
To be honest I doubt very seriously that wrestling will match its popularity in 1998/1999 any time in the near future. Still, I do love watching and talking about the WWF.
Trampled, it looks like the entire WWF is faces right now. Plans for splitting the promotions with a draft on 7/30 were scrapped and now who knows if WECW will ever be a separate promotion. Word is that Rocky vs. Austin is locked in for Summerslam so that would mean that one of the two would join WECW. Maybe the Rock will. As far as Austin being a heel, he was funny but the fact is that business went WAY down with him in that role. It seems fans don't want to see a wuss, goofball Austin. Or at least they don't want to pay to see it.
As far as wrestling's popularity and what slekirk posted, there are just a couple of things I would say there.
1) It is the highest regular weekly cable program except for ESPN Sunday Night Football, but it is understandable to discount that since football is only on a 17 week schedule.
2) The number of viewers Raw draws is generally equal to or slightly less than Smackdown, and Smackdown is generally ranked in the 90's or 100's in broadcast television ratings each week.
3) When TNN acquired Raw they immediately jumped into the top ten cable networks, but that is only due to Raw's ratings. USA network dropped ratings wise without Raw but their revenues actually went up. If you take Raw out of the TNN schedule, they would basically have no change in their ratings. The point is that while Raw draws great ratings, is not a great television show in some ways because its audience is very specific in their tastes so they don't tend to help the network as a whole by watching other shows.
4) Wrestling merchandise is really on the downswing. The audience wrestling has lost since 1999 is mostly kids and teens and that is who went gangbusters on t-shirts and dolls.
5) While Raw shows and PPVs generally still sell out, Smackdown taping attendance is tailing a bit. Non teleivised show attendance is really dropping. In fact, they recently cancelled a non televised show in San Francisco due to poor ticket sales. They were planning to make Smackdown a live show to attempt to boost ticket sales an ratings (a dumb move IMO because a live WWF broadcast is a $350,000 production cost) but those plans are now up in the air and only a couple of shows in August are going to be live for sure.
6) You are absolutely right about wrestling books. Some of that amazes me since most of them are weak but Foley's books have both been very good. The only thing I would add is that non-WWF wrestling books have done relatively poorly.
7) Many of their CDs have done very well but the last one experienced disappointing sales. That was mainly due to it lacking most main event themes.
8) DirecTV is NOT going to be funding any wrestling promotions. There are not even negotiations going on. Pro wrestling is not viable on PPV unless you have strong weekly television and there is only one promotion with weekly TV. Matrats, a promotion out of Calgary featuring mostly teens doing high flying moves, is scheduled to debut on PPV on 10/28 but that will fail without weekly TV. Hogan has been in negotiations for a while with Universal for a possible theme park attraction or restaurant and he will probably do a television pilot but getting that on PPV is a long shot. Dusty Rhodes has been promoting Turnbuckle Championship Wrestling out of Atlanta and trying to get on PPV but that is another long shot.
The bottom line is that unless some money mark comes along and offers $30 million+ to someone trying to promote wrestling, the only PPVs for the near future are going to come from the WWF. The plan was to have WECW do their own separate PPVs but that was dependent on doing a separate weekly TV shows with separate rosters. The only things wrestling related at all on PPV besides the WWF will be PRIDE, a mixed martial arts promotion from Japan, and UFC, which will have full cable clearance for a show in October.
To be honest I doubt very seriously that wrestling will match its popularity in 1998/1999 any time in the near future. Still, I do love watching and talking about the WWF.
