Going postal

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,424
128
63
Bowling Green Ky
--and to think knowing how post office as well as all gov ran services are bleeding--we had large # of people believe that gov run healthcare system would be efficint and lower cost :facepalm:


Post Office Shows Where U.S. Is Headed: Kevin Hassett

<CITE class=byline>By Kevin Hassett -<SCRIPT type=text/javascript>document.write(dateFormat(new Date(1286827670000),"mmm d, yyyy h:MM TT Z"));</SCRIPT> Oct 11, 2010 3:07 PM CT <NOSCRIPT></NOSCRIPT></CITE>
Bloomberg Opinion

(Corrects fourth paragraph to indicate billion.)
To understand where the advocates of big government will take this country, look at the U.S. Postal Service.
Start with the fact the Postal Service is a great jobs machine, employing 712,000 people at an average annual compensation, including wages and benefits, of $83,000. And those hefty pay checks are a great source of political contributions for Democrats.

In 2010, almost 90 percent of the approximately $4 million contributed to campaigns by postal unions went to Democrats.

Take a guess where much of the opposition to reform comes from.
But high-priced labor, which accounts each year for about 80 percent of costs, leads to high-priced mail services, and even higher costs for taxpayers. Over the past 10 years, the price of a stamp has risen from 33 cents to 44 cents, exceeding the inflation rate at a time when computerization should have been leading to big cost savings. Even so the Postal Service lost about $6 billion this year and by its own projections it will drop a cool $238 billion over the next decade. By 2020, the last year in the projections, the Postal Service will be losing $33 billion annually.
If its losses level off and it continues to lose that much each year, the Postal Service will lose $550 billion from 2010 to 2030. If the growth rate of losses projected over the next decade continues until 2030, it will lose more than $1 trillion in that span. The fiscal black hole that the Postal Service has become is no small potatoes, even in government terms.
Broken Model
In April 2010, the Government Accountability Office released a report that analyzed the operations of the Postal Service and concluded that, ?USPS?s business model is not viable due to USPS?s inability to reduce costs sufficiently.?
A 2007 GAO study looked at the Postal Service?s use of facilities, and concluded that, ?A 2005 contractor assessment of 651 randomly selected postal facilities revealed that two- thirds of these facilities were in less than ?acceptable? condition, including 22 percent that were rated ?poor.? Inspection of one facility in Dallas led the inspector to recommend that the building be immediately evacuated.
The decaying buildings provide a handy visual clue to the quality of service. Unfortunately, we don?t know how bad the service is, because the Postal Service collects data on its own service quality, but it refuses to make the data public. Isn?t it nice that your tax dollars pay for data that you?re not allowed to see?
It?s in the Mail
The Postal Service?s ability to lose mail is, of course, legendary. Here is an example of how bad it has become: last week the American Postal Workers Union had to postpone their national election of officers because so many of the ballots were lost in the mail.
The Postal Service is able to survive because U.S. law protects it with not one but two monopolies. First, it is the only entity that is allowed to deliver many types of mail. There are a few exceptions that have allowed FedEx Corp., United Parcel Service Inc. and bicycle carriers to flourish, but low- cost, high-volume letters are walled off from competition from other providers.
Second, the Postal Service actually has a legal monopoly over your privately owned mailbox. You bought it, but if another company starts to use it as a receptacle for letters, they are violating federal law.
Legal Cover
This organization has withstood political pressure for some time, in part because Postal Service advocates have argued that the monopoly is necessary because of the national objective of providing universal service. If we want to have everyone on the postal grid, they say, then the grid will be impossible to support with private markets.
This argument, of course, is specious. It would be trivial to fully privatize postal delivery with guaranteed universal service. We need only write regulations that require firms that compete for postal business to provide universal service.
The Democrats will never let us do that, of course. The political might of the public employee unions is just too great.
As with the stimulus, the American left finds itself far to the left of even the statist Europeans. Countless other nations have recognized the possible large benefits from privatizing the postal business. In 2005, Cornell University economist R. Richard Geddes reviewed the academic literature on postal reform for the distinguished Journal of Economic Perspectives, and reported that ?comprehensive postal reform has been ongoing in other countries for decades.? Countries that have introduced major reforms include Germany and Sweden.
A U.S. Gain
Reforms tended to have, he reported, three characteristics. First, they would ?corporatize? or privatize postal operations. Second, reforms have tended to reduce delivery monopolies. And third, regulators have guaranteed the continuation of universal service.
The possibility for real gain in the U.S. is enormous. The Postal Service owns or operates 33,000 facilities nationwide, and owns 219,000 vehicles. If we were to auction it off to private investors, the bids would likely be enormous. FedEx and UPS, for example, have a combined market capitalization of almost $100 billion. Given that, how much might a private bidder offer for the right to start a business with the Postal Service?s footprint? The $100 billion mark might be a good first guess.
Which means we have two paths to chose between. On one, we continue to operate the Postal Service, and watch it lose hundreds of billions of dollars. Along the other, we sell it to a private contractor, avoid those losses while cashing a nice big check.
If the Tea Party activists want to fix the country, they should start by privatizing the Postal Service. If we can?t fix that, then it is hard to imagine how we will ever fix anything.
(Kevin Hassett, director of economic-policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)
 

THE KOD

Registered
Forum Member
Nov 16, 2001
42,493
256
83
Victory Lane
Went into the post office today.

one person behind the desk and 15 people waiting in line.

The post office is talking about needing to lay people off from the back where the mail is slow, but they cant because the unions wont allow them to.

And they cant bring the fawkers up and train them to work at the counter because thats a differant job description.

If the Post office wanted to make a big turnaround, they would have 5 or 6 ppl behind every fawking counter. When you walked in they would be saying can I help you ?

They will never understand what it takes to run a business and make a profit. Why ? because they have been sucking the DTBlackgumby tit for too long and like the defense are untouchable.
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
i find it amazing that when i post a post like the gas prices thread, dogshit has no problem with every american being goughed for the simple reason to play mind games before an election. Now here Dog shit has a problem with a lot of families having good paying jobs as Doggie wants this to all end. The post office might be one of the best run programs the gov't created and a few adjustments is all it needs but dogs is more worried about people making a decent working wage because no post office employee would vote for a Republican unless he was retarded or from Kentucky. U can bet ur ass that a guy like doggie doesn't think twice when he drops that letter in the mailbox and has to pay a tremendous amount (44 cents), to see his letter dilivered half way across the nation. If it was up to Doggie and his mental midget tea party followers, we wouldn't have cops or fireman. Oh except in Kentucky where they just let the home burn to the ground because of a 75 dollar fee.
 

Lumi

LOKI
Forum Member
Aug 30, 2002
21,104
58
0
57
In the shadows
i find it amazing that when i post a post like the gas prices thread, dogshit has no problem with every american being goughed for the simple reason to play mind games before an election. Now here Dog shit has a problem with a lot of families having good paying jobs as Doggie wants this to all end. The post office might be one of the best run programs the gov't created and a few adjustments is all it needs but dogs is more worried about people making a decent working wage because no post office employee would vote for a Republican unless he was retarded or from Kentucky. U can bet ur ass that a guy like doggie doesn't think twice when he drops that letter in the mailbox and has to pay a tremendous amount (44 cents), to see his letter dilivered half way across the nation. If it was up to Doggie and his mental midget tea party followers, we wouldn't have cops or fireman. Oh except in Kentucky where they just let the home burn to the ground because of a 75 dollar fee.

By this arrogant statement from you, I am guessing you are far more enlightened than everyone else and live in some Socialist Utopian City or State? Berkley, Ca, San Francisco, Denver?

It's so easy to belittle the Snapple Tea Party, I'm not thrilled with the bastardized version of it either, but it is what it is. If it helps Ron Paul get elected to the Top Seat, :0074 , but there is no way Sister Sarah and Beckenstan will allow that.

Oh, and as for your statement about the house fire, do more research before you run your pie hole.

Idiot Liberals Twist Story of Firefighters Letting House Burn Down Over Unpaid $75 Dollar Fee

Chris | InformationLiberation

Idiot liberals are going crazy over a story in which a local state-run fire department refused to help a man whose house was burning down because he had not paid the state a $75 dollar fee for their "services."

In their crazy dreamworld, they've twisted this into being some perfect example of the evils of a libertarian society where you pay for all the services you need for protection.

This story shows nothing of the sort.

The fire department who refused to put this fire out was a government run fire department. This is a socialist organization, the people who are within its tax jurisdiction are forced at gunpoint to pay for this organization, whether they want their "services" or not.

In this particular instance, the man whose house burned down was outside of their tax jurisdiction, he had another government forcing him to pay taxes to it, that government did not run a fire department. In order to accommodate residents in this neighboring town, the first government said they would cover them if they paid a $75 dollar fee. This man did not pay the fee, but his neighbor did. They came out to help his neighbor but refused to help him in any way.

How this socialist enterprise in anyway reflects how a libertarian society would operate is beyond me. This was a group of costumed tax feeders who obviously felt entitled to this man's cash for them to even so much as lift a finger for him.

I assure you any random stranger with a firetruck or fire fighting abilities would have been more than happy to help this man had they stumbled upon his house burning down. Yet for these resentful, spiteful, hateful, selfish government workers, the mere fact this man didn't pay his fee absolutely forbids them from giving him any sort of help, this despite fire fighting being their job and helping people their supposed passion. This is the type of societal breakdown which comes from having a two-tiered society which statism creates.

The ruling junta of tax-feeders, who lives entirely off wealth stolen from their neighbors, becomes incredibly arrogant, controlling, and develops a delusional sense of self-righteousness in which they feel that everyone is their slaves and they're only to be treated as it suits them.

They become resentful of the people they suck off because they view them not as mutual benefactors in the division of labor, but merely as human resources to be fed off to fulfill their own selfish desires.

This type of behavior is nowhere to be found among the "lower caste" who are outside of the apparatus of the state.

In the free society, people help one another for their common enrichment. People trade goods to make themselves and their neighbors richer and to improve their quality of life. People are dependent on their fellow man for sustenance and they depend on the division of labor to make their lives pleasurable. That's why in business the motto is "the customer is always right."

In government, the opposite is the case. The motto when it comes to government services is "the customer is always wrong," as this case perfectly illustrates.

While certainly this man was not their customer, the government workers were directly in the vicinity and they absolutely refused to even so much as lift a finger to help him. All they had to do was point their hoses at his house. They chose instead to sit on the sidelines and watch it burn. Full of spite and resentment, they felt because he didn't pay them their fee, he is not even entitled to so much as human decency. That's the type of society we're living in thanks to statism.

In a society where people are not told "the government is here to help," people actually look out for their fellow man because they realize it's in their own best interest to help others, and the responsibility lies with them. Not so in a statist society, where your fellow man is only there to pay you taxes so you can live large off of their money.

Far from being some textbook example of libertarianism and it's lack of care for people, this story is a textbook example of statism and its inherent disdain for the citizens it's supposedly created to protect.
___
Chris is an anarcho-capitalist and voluntarist who runs the website InformationLiberation.com. He yearns for a day when people take responsibility for themselves instead of merely assuming the government will take care of everyone. You can read more of his commentary here.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,424
128
63
Bowling Green Ky
i find it amazing that when i post a post like the gas prices thread, dogshit has no problem with every american being goughed for the simple reason to play mind games before an election. Now here Dog shit has a problem with a lot of families having good paying jobs as Doggie wants this to all end. The post office might be one of the best run programs the gov't created and a few adjustments is all it needs but dogs is more worried about people making a decent working wage because no post office employee would vote for a Republican unless he was retarded or from Kentucky. U can bet ur ass that a guy like doggie doesn't think twice when he drops that letter in the mailbox and has to pay a tremendous amount (44 cents), to see his letter dilivered half way across the nation. If it was up to Doggie and his mental midget tea party followers, we wouldn't have cops or fireman. Oh except in Kentucky where they just let the home burn to the ground because of a 75 dollar fee.

No prob just live with the consequences of your liberal buddies and quit forcing us to bail your pathetic asses out. Thank your gov unions

<HR> Cities Face Half a Trillion Dollars of Pension Deficits


Philadelphia has the most immediate cause for concern, as the city can pay existing promises with existing assets only through 2015,? Mr Rauh said, assuming an 8 percent annualized return, the most common benchmark for municipal plans.
In New York City, San Francisco and Boston the total is more than $30,000 a household and, in Chicago, it tops $40,000.

Taxpayers in these areas risk not only local tax increases and service cuts to pay for benefits, but potentially some of the bill for the $3,000 billion unfunded obligations at the state level, the researchers say.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yes sir your strongholds of Da Base have all the right answers ---of course when you don't pay taxes you don't notice:kiss:
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
No prob just live with the consequences of your liberal buddies and quit forcing us to bail your pathetic asses out. Thank your gov unions



.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

:

Where was ur concern when Bush had the gas prices at 4.50 a gallon? I was feeling that pinch every fill up. Don't u drive a car? Where was ur concern with the huge tax breaks only the top one percent benefitted from? Not u, the top one percent. U are suck a fuking sickening hypocrite and a cancer to workers in this country. How about this bogus war he started? Who do u think is gonna pay for that? U want to talk real money maybe u might want to take off the blinders and take a peek. How about that dog of a prescription plan the Republicans passed? Who is gonna pay for that white elephant? All Republican masterpieces. Those huge gas prices when the Republicans had control was a big factor in this economy sinking, but again the blinders u wear are as pathetic as ur hypocritical thoughts. All this shit i listed u lost money with and will continue to lose but u are such a dumb hillbilly u will continue to believe every talking point those con men throw ur way, and look like an idiot time and time again in these threads..
 
Last edited:

Trampled Underfoot

Registered
Forum Member
Feb 26, 2001
13,593
164
63
Where was ur concern when Bush had the gas prices at 4.50 a gallon? I was feeling that pinch every fill up. Don't u drive a car? Where was ur concern with the huge tax breaks only the top one percent benefitted from? Not u, the top one percent. U are suck a fuking sickening hypocrite and a cancer to workers in this country. How about this bogus war he started? Who do u think is gonna pay for that? U want to talk real money maybe u might want to take off the blinders and take a peek. How about that dog of a prescription plan the Republicans passed? Who is gonna pay for that white elephant? All Republican masterpieces. Those huge gas prices when the Republicans had control was a big factor in this economy sinking, but again the blinders u wear are as pathetic as ur hypocritical thoughts. All this shit i listed u lost money with and will continue to lose but u are such a dumb hillbilly u will continue to believe every talking point those con men throw ur way, and look like an idiot time and time again in these threads..

I notice doggie ignored my post about how the banks were bailed out by all of us but he goes on to bitch about welfare. It just never ends. Its a waste of time sponge. He's an old fuck and he isn't gonna change his racist selfish ways. Its too late for him. He's been voting on behalf of corporations for way too long. No sense in getting mad about it.
 

Lumi

LOKI
Forum Member
Aug 30, 2002
21,104
58
0
57
In the shadows
Well,

You you still don't get it do you mooch, uhh, sponge?

I am fully aware that the 2 plus wars we are in are illegal and never ran thru congress.

Barry has made LEGAL TO ASSINATE AMERICAN CITIZENS I haven't heard a peep out of you about that?

The votes of us peasants don't mean shit, we have this fake Tea Party running and making inspiring speeches about changing the system. Good Luck with that. :142smilie

There is one Party in DC, and it appears to me that you still don't get it, you throw your mud and insults at the Repubs and Tea Party with such venom and vitriol, yet no solutions for you thumb in the ass Dems.

You have anger towards people who work hard and make a good living, why?

I will gladly pay for the the neccessary service in my city, Fire, Police, Roads, Schools, (even though I don't have kids in the area, I would rather pay the school taxes to where they live) but I don't work my ass off to feed 51% of the users. If you think I am an asshole for that, I wear that as a badge of honor ! HUA ! AIRBORNE MOFO !:0008

I do give to charity, weekly, just so you know, what I give and how much is NUNYA.
 

Lumi

LOKI
Forum Member
Aug 30, 2002
21,104
58
0
57
In the shadows
After 1300 my time is good :0074 :toast:

Have a cocktail before you call, and one on stand by :0008 :toast:
 

JT

Degenerate
Forum Member
Mar 28, 2000
3,583
78
48
60
Ventura, Ca.
Last time I went to the post office in September the line wasn't 15 people long and there was 2 clerks working with one being a postal nazi. :scared Does everything and talks in a annoying precise military manner. If I was watching a military parade fine, exacting precision is great but damn putting a sticker on a next day air box? Oh and thanks for always slamming the change on the table when my hand is near by. Sorry, had to vent. :mad:
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
Well,

You you still don't get it do you mooch, uhh, sponge?

I am fully aware that the 2 plus wars we are in are illegal and never ran thru congress.

Barry has made LEGAL TO ASSINATE AMERICAN CITIZENS I haven't heard a peep out of you about that?

The votes of us peasants don't mean shit, we have this fake Tea Party running and making inspiring speeches about changing the system. Good Luck with that. :142smilie

There is one Party in DC, and it appears to me that you still don't get it, you throw your mud and insults at the Repubs and Tea Party with such venom and vitriol, yet no solutions for you thumb in the ass Dems.

You have anger towards people who work hard and make a good living, why?

I will gladly pay for the the neccessary service in my city, Fire, Police, Roads, Schools, (even though I don't have kids in the area, I would rather pay the school taxes to where they live) but I don't work my ass off to feed 51% of the users. If you think I am an asshole for that, I wear that as a badge of honor ! HUA ! AIRBORNE MOFO !:0008

I do give to charity, weekly, just so you know, what I give and how much is NUNYA.

i don't even understand ur retarded post. Why am i a mooch? Because i actually care about other citizens and would much rather see everyone with a good living wage then a bunch of ass kissers who would fight to the death for the top 1 percent when they are not even in it? Why is it that shit bags like u think that if i or others have a disagreement with these corporate ass kissers we somehow are on gov't assistant? We somehow are Liberals and use welfare to feed our families? I started a business cous and hired people. I saw what this shitbag Bush was up to in his second term and had the foresight to sell my joint. Get it? I owned a business and hired people. How would this be a mooch? Cause i disagree with a corporate ass kisser who is the biggest hYpocrite on the site? Did he ever start a business from scratch? I doubt it. He is an insurance salesman. they are about as honest as car salesmen. I rest my case. And by the way stop posting useless post. How many times do people have to point this out to u? 1 out of fifty of ur post are worth a read.
 

THE KOD

Registered
Forum Member
Nov 16, 2001
42,493
256
83
Victory Lane
Because i actually care about other citizens and would much rather see everyone with a good living wage then a bunch of ass kissers who would fight to the death for the top 1 percent when they are not even in it?

We somehow are Liberals and use welfare to feed our families?

Cause i disagree with a corporate ass kisser who is the biggest hYpocrite on the site? Did he ever start a business from scratch? I doubt it. He is an insurance salesman. they are about as honest as car salesmen.

.
...............................................................

the insurance salesman is like a used car lot guy

that fits


who would die for the top 1 percent when they are not in it anyway.

That truly is mind boggling

:142smilie
 

Lumi

LOKI
Forum Member
Aug 30, 2002
21,104
58
0
57
In the shadows
i don't even understand ur retarded post. Why am i a mooch? Because i actually care about other citizens and would much rather see everyone with a good living wage then a bunch of ass kissers who would fight to the death for the top 1 percent when they are not even in it? Why is it that shit bags like u think that if i or others have a disagreement with these corporate ass kissers we somehow are on gov't assistant? We somehow are Liberals and use welfare to feed our families? I started a business cous and hired people. I saw what this shitbag Bush was up to in his second term and had the foresight to sell my joint. Get it? I owned a business and hired people. How would this be a mooch? Cause i disagree with a corporate ass kisser who is the biggest hYpocrite on the site? Did he ever start a business from scratch? I doubt it. He is an insurance salesman. they are about as honest as car salesmen. I rest my case. And by the way stop posting useless post. How many times do people have to point this out to u? 1 out of fifty of ur post are worth a read.

I can easily understand why you don't understand my post after reading yours, being that it is filled with run on sentences and misspellings. Do you for one minute think I give a shit wht you think about the content I post. Too bad that it took untill the 2nd Gee Wiz Admin. that he was a fool. Have you extractracted your opposable digit from your hind quarters yet to figure out that Barry Soetoro is a POS too?

The info I post is a all fact, and apparently it's the facts that you cannot deal with milk toast. When I was done Killing for OIL, I had to do some serious soul searching, usually at the bottom of a bottle of Jim Beam. I don't know if you served and if you have trigger time, but it's all shits and giggles when your ass is in the grass. But the fun ends when you are stateside and you get to play the Hokey Pokey with the VA and DENIED ! Certain treatments because the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT WE NEVER USED THAT WEAPON AND WE WERE NEVER THERE !

So, go ahead and look up DU weapons 6 day war, DU Desert Storm, DU Second Gulf War
 

Trench

Turn it up
Forum Member
Mar 8, 2008
3,974
18
0
Mad City, WI
Why am i a mooch? Because i actually care about other citizens and would much rather see everyone with a good living wage then a bunch of ass kissers who would fight to the death for the top 1 percent when they are not even in it? We somehow are Liberals and use welfare to feed our families?
This is a common meme of the right, Sponge.

Not to imply that Lumi's one of the droopy-eyed window-licking righties, because he's not.

But Lumi, you can't believe Ron Paul's ass is ever warm the chair behind The Big Desk, can you? :shrug:
 

Lumi

LOKI
Forum Member
Aug 30, 2002
21,104
58
0
57
In the shadows
This is a common meme of the right, Sponge.

Not to imply that Lumi's one of the droopy-eyed window-licking righties, because he's not.

But Lumi, you can't believe Ron Paul's ass is ever warm the chair behind The Big Desk, can you? :shrug:

Only if someone spilled strawberry ice cream on the window :toast:

Trench,

Wouldn't you like to believe that someone with RP's charisma, integrity, speaking ability (notice in the 22 min. speech I posted he doesn't use notes or a teleprompter) voting record, etc... could rally the American people? He has taken advantage of the fact that the Snapple Party has coattailed his movement and he is showing them the light, the time will come that Becky will step on his dick, well even more so than he already has....

Will Becky attack Ron and Rand Paul just like he did Ron in the past and call for Rons supporter to be thrown in jail?

I post the question, "How would you fix this mess?" to get input from the members here, I could ask the similar question, like putting together Mr. Potato(e) :142smilie Head, put together the PERFECT PRESIDENTIAL POLITICIAN
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
This is a common meme of the right, Sponge.

Not to imply that Lumi's one of the droopy-eyed window-licking righties, because he's not.

But Lumi, you can't believe Ron Paul's ass is ever warm the chair behind The Big Desk, can you? :shrug:

Just gets tiring to hear these clowns calling people mooches when they don't agree with ya. somehow since we don't agree with their nonsense we lean on the gov't for everything:shrug: This is the logic of a guy who doesn't know how to talk about a topic. They go right to the welfare card or some shit like that. Trent im willing to bet that u never used welfare in ur life. I bet 99 percent of guys who think like us don't. Somehow tho guys like Dog try to use this label like they know something. I wouldn't even know the first step on receiving welfare. I would have to google it. These guys know so much about welfare that it wouldn't surprise if they were on it one time or another.
 
Last edited:

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
I can easily understand why you don't understand my post after reading yours, being that it is filled with run on sentences and misspellings.

:mj07: Is ur memory so short u don't remember the time u trashed me on this same subject and in ur post i had to correct about 20 of ur run-ons and ten of ur misspelled words? Do i have to dig up the post? :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top