Good job anti-war protesters, this will teach them!

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By Toby Sterling - The Associated Press
Posted : Thursday Sep 13, 2007 10:52:24 EDT

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands ? A U.S. citizen and former airman who hoped to punish the Netherlands for its government?s support of the war in Iraq has confessed to axing a 22-year-old Dutch student to death after failing to find a soldier to kill, his lawyer said Tuesday.

Carlos Hartmann, 41, of Tecumseh, Mich., confessed to the killing on a train platform Saturday in the southern city of Roosendaal, lawyer Peter Gremmen said.

Hartmann appeared before a judge Tuesday and was ordered held for another two weeks for investigation.

?He hates soldiers, and says that the army kills people, so it would be legitimate if he were also to kill someone ... from the American military ? or from its NATO allies,? Gremmen said in a telephone interview.

When Hartmann failed to find a soldier at the Roosendaal train station, ?he got such a crazy, disturbed idea that he killed a civilian,? Gremmen said.

Hartmann did not attempt to escape the scene and was arrested shortly after the killing.

Dutch prosecutors confirmed a suspect had confessed but did not identify him or the victim, in keeping with Dutch practice.

Under the Dutch legal system, Hartmann was not required to enter a plea Tuesday.

Dutch television program ?4 In Het Land? reached both of Hartmann?s parents by telephone.

?He was against the war, and he thought the U.S. was aggressive, going into other countries and making war,? his mother, Delores, told the program. ?You can be anti-war, you can be leftist, but not this ? I never imagined something like this,? she said, weeping.

Gerald Hartmann described his son as intelligent but ?he was an angry person too, I think, that?s the problem.?

Prosecution spokeswoman Martine Pilaar said her office was taken aback by Gremmen?s willingness to reveal details of his case. But Gremmen said he was only confirming details published by the local newspaper BN/De Stem. The paper?s source was not named, and police declined to comment.

Gremmen said Hartmann has lived in the Netherlands since 2002 and that he had no fixed address. He said Hartmann had agreed to undergo psychological testing, and was now ?terribly sorry for his deed.?

The victim, identified as Thijs Geers, was waiting for a train and had no connection with the suspect or the military. Online condolence registers in the Netherlands were flooded with thousands of messages of sympathy for him and his family.
 

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My point Marine is that there are wacko's on both sides. Not fair for you to label all protestors as being aligned with that guy. Just as it wouldn't be fair to llabel all right wingers with McVee.
 

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My point Marine is that there are wacko's on both sides. Not fair for you to label all protestors as being aligned with that guy. Just as it wouldn't be fair to llabel all right wingers with McVee.

Just as the "left side" cry and cry about how all Republicans are a terrible group of people because of the actions of individuals.. yea yea yea... we have all heard that arguement.

The fact remains, an anti-war protestor KILLED an unaffiliated civilian to protest the government's role in the war.

I know what's in the Kool Aid on the right side of the fence.. what are they putting in the Kool Aid on the left side?
 

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You are really losing it. Even Petraeus won't say that Iraq was necessary.
 

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Yep...and there's been no -one murdered this week (day?) in the US by "pro-war" or "neutral" people?...

Hey, I'm back...:00hour (yep, sarcasm!)

On a (probably?) unrelated topic, Scott, tell me what I've missed?? :shrug:
 

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Maybe --seeing is believeing is needed--

Saw oreilly interview the student body leaders of both Dem and Reb's last night--both parties had a joint 911 commemoration on San Fran States campus--quite moving that both would come together for common cause once again--then the Moveon-Daily Kos element appeared and heres what followed--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMgIKZUvFQ
 
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