Guzman by dec bet option disappears from 5 dimes
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It bees back-119. I am not so sure this is soooo good at any rate. Campbell is not stupid(I hope not anymore)!. He too could win on points.
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Campbell by points is a solid play, but i see Guzman as too smart and talented ; against Soto he changed his usual strategy and pot shoted from the outside against the bigger guy.
Soto is STRONGER mentally than Campbell, and look how it turned out.
Soto is STRONGER mentally than Campbell, and look how it turned out.
I played Campbell W12 yesterday at +425, I think thats a tough but winnable fight for him.
Guzman is good, but if somebody like Barrios can be competetive against him, Campbell can do it too...
Guzman is a speed merchant, but Campbell is a clever fighter and he throws a lot of punches....
Guzman is good, but if somebody like Barrios can be competetive against him, Campbell can do it too...
Guzman is a speed merchant, but Campbell is a clever fighter and he throws a lot of punches....
the casa/marquez card isn`t worth the 50beans,imo....not with nate/guzman and bradley/cherry on showtime....
mora/forrest leaves me cold...and the rest of the undercard consists of prospects "the velasquez twins" beating the poop out of another set of twins(i figure they`re twins,they`re both named "tba")......
i`ll wait till next saturday to watch casa/marquez...
mora/forrest leaves me cold...and the rest of the undercard consists of prospects "the velasquez twins" beating the poop out of another set of twins(i figure they`re twins,they`re both named "tba")......
i`ll wait till next saturday to watch casa/marquez...
i took it at-119 and hedged with nate straight up at +195......
but the weight has me extremely concerned...at some point,the weight becomes an issue...
these guys are finely tuned...honed to the nth degree to be at the lowest,most optimum weight they can be to give them their best opportunity to be successful...
when guys challenge themselves by stepping up in weight,it changes the equation...
this isn`t pacquaio moving up to out-quick/out-slick an extremely limited david diaz(who was hand-picked)....
guzman`s facing in campbell,a guy with an extreme amount of talent....a well rounded talent that can adapt.... nate can box...and nate can be uber-aggressive...and do either very well...
he`s the bigger guy...and he`s coming off a huge win in which he imposed his will over a guy that everybody thought was special...
if nate`s motivated,and i have no reason to believe that he wants to part with that belt,this is going to be an extremely interesting fight...
still believe that guzman is top 5 pfp....but,nate campbell,on a roll,is a tough nut to crack in your first fight at 135.....
how`s this play out?.....
will nate press and make guzman try and gain his respect?......can guzman keep nate honest?...he hasn`t exhibited much power as he`s moved up in weight...
or will guzman,as usual.just be to slick?.... it cabn get dicouraging fighting guzman....
but the weight has me extremely concerned...at some point,the weight becomes an issue...
these guys are finely tuned...honed to the nth degree to be at the lowest,most optimum weight they can be to give them their best opportunity to be successful...
when guys challenge themselves by stepping up in weight,it changes the equation...
this isn`t pacquaio moving up to out-quick/out-slick an extremely limited david diaz(who was hand-picked)....
guzman`s facing in campbell,a guy with an extreme amount of talent....a well rounded talent that can adapt.... nate can box...and nate can be uber-aggressive...and do either very well...
he`s the bigger guy...and he`s coming off a huge win in which he imposed his will over a guy that everybody thought was special...
if nate`s motivated,and i have no reason to believe that he wants to part with that belt,this is going to be an extremely interesting fight...
still believe that guzman is top 5 pfp....but,nate campbell,on a roll,is a tough nut to crack in your first fight at 135.....
how`s this play out?.....
will nate press and make guzman try and gain his respect?......can guzman keep nate honest?...he hasn`t exhibited much power as he`s moved up in weight...
or will guzman,as usual.just be to slick?.... it cabn get dicouraging fighting guzman....
This is my take on the fight and I have bet HUGE on Guzman.
I like Nate but I just think that Guzman is a much better version of Nate. He is quicker, has better boxing skills and a better chin IMO.
I can understand how he got KO'd by Peden when he dropped his hands being cocky but he should never have lost their second fight. He took a bad beating in that fight by a guy who was not in his class.
A guy as skilled as Nate should not be losing to guys like Francisco Lorenzo and Isaac Hlatswayo.
One of Nates biggest assets is his speed. I think he is going to be shocked at how fast Guzman is.
I am almost sure Guzman wins and it might be a stoppage on cuts and a bad beating such as the second Peden fight.
I have Guzman at -188 to win.
Guzman to win by KO/TKO at +900.
Good luck all.
I like Nate but I just think that Guzman is a much better version of Nate. He is quicker, has better boxing skills and a better chin IMO.
I can understand how he got KO'd by Peden when he dropped his hands being cocky but he should never have lost their second fight. He took a bad beating in that fight by a guy who was not in his class.
A guy as skilled as Nate should not be losing to guys like Francisco Lorenzo and Isaac Hlatswayo.
One of Nates biggest assets is his speed. I think he is going to be shocked at how fast Guzman is.
I am almost sure Guzman wins and it might be a stoppage on cuts and a bad beating such as the second Peden fight.
I have Guzman at -188 to win.
Guzman to win by KO/TKO at +900.
Good luck all.
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Guzman is not only slick, he also posesses a GRANITE jaw.
And Campbell might be fast, but he's also pushing 36, which is ANCIENT in the lightweight division, no matter when you started.
I believe you can compete in a toe to toe battle like him fairly well, but once you're made to miss repeatadly, and Campbell WILL MISS all night, sooner or later age and fatigue will set in.
Dougie and Kim favour Campbell and think he will come out in the later rounds.
My money is on a Guzman dec ( huge).
And Campbell might be fast, but he's also pushing 36, which is ANCIENT in the lightweight division, no matter when you started.
I believe you can compete in a toe to toe battle like him fairly well, but once you're made to miss repeatadly, and Campbell WILL MISS all night, sooner or later age and fatigue will set in.
Dougie and Kim favour Campbell and think he will come out in the later rounds.
My money is on a Guzman dec ( huge).
