Halloween DRIP/SPP Post

selkirk

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almost 20 years ago, time flies, about 1989/1990 there was a story on the morning radio, a short segment about an old man (have trouble remember important items, memory hard to explain).

anyways he was giving away 48 shares of imperial Oil (cdn. oil company), good track record intergrated, paid a nice div, and growng earnings.

they were then around $45 (have split a few times), he also provided information on how to enroll in the companies DRIP/SPP Dividend reinvesmtnet plan and shareholder plan.

this was a great idea, sadly the media story only interviewed a few seconds, and pointed out the $48 value. the next year he stopped because some parents would send their children up more than once,....sad how stupid people can be....if they just took the one share and learned...read, they could have started their children investing in equities, the younger the better.

anyways here is my DRIP/SPP portfolio which I started over 15 years ago....it now makes up about 14% of my overall liquid portfolio (stocks/bonds/cash), use to make up over half.

most trade in the US as well, except FAP, REI.un.

the banks have all returned on average over 15% year over year, these returns should avg. 10% counting div going forward.
1. BMO 62.09 cdn. 13.32 PE 4.51%
BMO has had a rough year, it is cheap, they may have some large write downs in the 4 th quarter, so would wait to buy, for a drip/spp still a decent stock and may have the most upside if they do something with Harris Bank....big IF.

2. REI.un pays 11.2 cents a month for a yield of 5.81%, biggest commercial reit in Cdn. great management, not much growth anymore though the div will grow slowly. still how many bonds yield almost 6%, with a growing div....avg. price $7.80. current price 23.25. prefer CWT.un though no drip.

3. ENB 39.70 21.5pe 3.10% just a well run pipeline, biggest risk is if interest rates increase...also have to issue equity and debt to expand pipelines, great company, may buy some more through the drip/spp. TRP also has a drip/spp and would prefer it slightly to enb, both are conservative stocks. own TRP trading account.

4. CM $100.72 11.08pe 3.46%, still not sure why they have not split the stock, cdn.s hate expensive (dollar terms) stocks, well there is rim..... anyways this bank loss a few billion on Enron but has recovered and trading near its high. they have a good retail franchise. maybe a little overlooked.... have a good friend who bought this years ago, at first went down 30%, however is up over three times on the investment
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5. BNS 52.73 13.22pe 3.41%, want a chicken way to play South America and Mexico (also a little Asia, well BNS is it. there int. operations have been hurt by the strong cdn. dollar, however they are still growing and cdn. results were good. Expanded recently in Chile and getting bigger in Mexico.

I own two Brazil banks that I have mentioned here BBD, and ITU, however watch what happens on a down day. so these two would be more for trading.
an example when Argentina blew up, BNS wrote off one quarter of earnings and the stock quickly recovered...... if Brazil had trouble would lose my gains quickly in BBD, and ITU.

would rate it a hold, might get it closer to 50, seems to be treading water, still look at what some other financials have done......yikes.....

6. CGI 29.90 5.02%, if you ever here the main manager being interviewed of cdn. General you could be concerned, however he does not BS...good in this business... the fund just beats Toronto year after year...incredible returns...

in the late 80s use to trade this, bought in at a 30% discount (close to) and sell when discount went to 20%, crazy..... wish I kept a ton of this.

anyways great fund, and will slowly add to posiiton until they stop performing....lucky if discount gets to 7% now, if that.

7.FAP 6.60 10.42% this use to do good, this is my int. bond fund. only problem 1/3 of their holdings int. bonds are in US dollars and that has not done well compared to the cdn. dollar.... still believe it is well run, and long term hold.

in the short term not buying more even in the DRIP/SPP since they may have to cut their monthly div.... if they do then it may be time to buy....so will wait.

the last two are going be taken over
8. BCE 41.13 15.52PE 3.55%
orginally bought this when they owned Nortel...you could buy BCE for what they owned of Nortel, boring but it worked, $75-84, then sold at 120-125. on avg.

after that I owned a big 25 shares in my DRIP/SPP account....
they then did some amazingly stupid things...bought CTV, overpaid 2 billion or so, however that was not so bad, when they bought Teleglobe and lost 8 billion or so....

Teleglobe which everyone thought they would sell, owned about 30%,they bought the rest...
yes in 1999/2000 I WANT A MONEY LOSING PHONE COMPANY, DEEPLY IN DEBT. 8 billion gone in just under two years.... Monty spun off Nortel, great, however buying teleglobe makes him one of the worse CEOs ever....

Teachers Ontario will take it private so will gladly take the 42.75.... I like the Teachers :) they will turn it around and do another ipo..... probably the greatest pension fund in North America or the World....

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selkirk
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9. Alcan AL $95.97 16.54pe .80%yield.
average price is $45 Rio Tinto it buying it for 101 US....can we make that cdn...lol.

anyways probably should not been a long term hold however have done well, would often trade from 45 to 60 and then back down.... Alcan may seem fully priced however Rio Tinto is buying one of the best Aluminum companies in the world, maybe the best....far better than Alcoa, (Alcoa may get taken over at some stage)....

this is one stock which I could keep, like Inco, and Falconbridge....these big mining companies are using their cash flows to buy other companies.... will look at them in a market sell off, they can get VERY VERY CHEAP.

Finally : Nortel was in the DRIP/SPP made 300% but it took me a while to get out, and only made 30% before it was over. made more in the trading account... hard to sell quick in a DRIP/SPP account main drawback.

CP was split up into 5 companies, bought all I could afford before the breakup, and the spinoffs performed great.. CP ships, Fairmon hotels, were bought. pancanadian merged (now Encana)
Fording and CP rail are all left, ....great investment...
no longer own Fording coal sold 32 remainder...still own some CP rail....

finally have sold DRIP/SPP to 6 friends....

4 people sold them one share of Suncor in 1999. one of the four put in over 2000.

the other three have 4 shares (split ) worth $398.56. they never bought another share...
sad... still one person bought more. each share was bought for between 42.50/$45. told them it may make 10-15%, we even thought oil might hit, 30 who knows 40 someday...lol.

and two people are now investors of BNS, and have all ready invested $200 (have to start somewhere).

maybe the old man (who probably has passed away) got through to one child/parent....then it was probably worth it........

happy halloween :scared

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DOGS THAT BARK

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Thanks Kirk--enjoyed it.
Great way to teach kids--or save for their education.
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Just saw where Penn West is going to buy Canetic
--have had position on Canetic--would you suggest keeping or selling after merger?
 
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Kirk,

Regarding your Brazilian banks BBD and ITU. Brazil just got awarded the 2014 Fifa World Cup. Their govt has announced that they intend on spending 1 billion on infrastructure rebuilding to prepare.

Do you think this could be positive for their banks?
 

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Infinii a lot can happen until 2014. still Brazil is growing and is improving greatly (economy). Probably in the short term these Brazil banks and other emerging bank stocks will trade, follow the US markets to some degree. Argentina has done great also considering where they were just a few years ago...

for example yesterday, with US (Cdn. had a bad day also) these stocks went down around 4%.

BNS went down .6%. now in a bull market these two and other emerging markets proabaly outperfrom the cdn. banks.
in a correction or bear....may be in a correction here, these will go down more.

it will not matter how their home economies are doing, people will dump at least in the short term emerging market stocks.

there are etfs on regions, and on countries, will go over some of them in the coming months.

probably the best place to start is VWO. US etf that follow emerging markets....has a very low MER, the lowest I have found for a emerging markets index.

as I write this it is down 1% to 112, and was down 4%yesterday.
yields 1.18%. before I would buy any emerging market stock would buy a broad based index of emerging markets, and then maybe a region.

then maybe emerging market stocks

my biggest holding (in emerging markets is ) Vwo, followed by BBD, ITU, some int. telco (high div) and a couple of China stocks that have been highlighted by DTB in the china Thread. (should have bought some more of them....)

also when you decide to take a position you should probably keep it small and maybe even dollar cost...or wait until you stop seeing the markets sell off....short term.

the long term position of these regions is great they are looking at 8%+ growth, this compares to 2-3% (if that) for the US, cdn. and the rest of the G7.

actually most G7 nations will be lucky to grow by 2%.

thanks
selkirk
 
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