Have we seen the worst????

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Well, there is no doubt we are in a critical mass and investors are becoming if not nervous,but extremely swayed by all the negativity...

As I have mentioned in previous postings,this market is going through a healthy dose of a major shake and bake...I have been in this market for over 30 years and have been through 4 major declines.One in the 70s,the mid 80s and one in the 90s.Now, in the year of 2002,this appears to be a significant decline and probably in terms of severity, will go down as the worst....

Most of this came from the over exuberance of the 90s when many companies came out of the explosive growth of the .com sector with nothing more than an idea and a computer that commanded huge market caps.This was not only piloted by greed,but expectations of results that would eventually have to come to an end.Then bubble popped and better for sooner then later,it is for this reason why this shake out is necessary...Of course one of the main drawbacks is the corporate greed that spawned from this and is prolonging the turnaround...

The economy figures got revised with a worse case then expected,but I believe this has been factored in for sometime and now it's just that investors have a real issue with honesty and naivety of markets and what one can expect.

Most of the investors came in the stock market within the last decade of the 90s when things were just fine..Everybody was making huge profits and expected this to go on forever...Market corrections happen all the time,but major corrections or severe bearmarkets happen almost timely about one in every 10 years...When this happens, it's based much on the new industries and innovations with startups of IPOs that become part of the stage that makeup the free fabric arena of the stockmarket....

Once these so called startups and new industry sectors have been run through the gauntlet, the weed out period starts...

In the 70s what caused a major downturn in the markets was the middle east with the oil embargo,but the main effect was the financial sector and the massive bank defaults and mergers including a major effect on Real Estate ..Every mom and pop had a bank and was giving loans with nothing much in the way of collateral than a handshake...In the 80s,was the collapse of the South Eastern Asin markets mainly Japan and European markets..Japan today is still not recovered and has been in this slump.Their problems is primarily based on too much government intervention and not free market ideology for self correction..It is this that has me concerned here in the US with the Congressional oversite with regards to the accounting and new laws that stemmed from these corporate malfeasance..I am a firm believer that our free market system has built in mechanisms for correcting itself,but although certain obvious loopholes or procedural systems have to be corrected with fraudulent behavior giving jail time, is a must.The main one being,that accounting and auditing which has always been in competition with each other,should be a separate and under a different firm altogether.In the corporate structure of compensation,the options program should most definitely be applied in the column as earnings and a must for shareholder approval..

The major decline in the 90s was the explosive growth of the technology sector and the internet...Here is a classic case of similarity like the coming of the television age...This changed the way we conducted our daily lives and moving from a paper trail to electronic forum...Almost everyday a .com company was introducing their idea and a new IPO with little capital or real assets other than the monies received from the initial stock offering was entering the free market arena of capitalism...It was no wonder that after a couple of years these companies or internet startups with nothing more than a smart looking website without substance would eventually fall on it's own...As long as everyone was making money except the companies you invested in , just didn't matter...Boooooooom,and now they all fell like dominoes and most are nonexistent or sold their 2 computers.These same employees that invested in these same firms are wondering how it could've happened and investors are blaming everyone but themselves...

One area of concern and not immediately,but eventually will be the over stated worth of the Real Estate market..With interest rates certainly attractive and has sparked a homeownership where otherwise was unobtainable, is now available to almost everybody...Here is where I see a problem...Demand is starting to overtake availability and available lots is becoming scares and what is available is so over priced that the only bearing factor is demand without regard to worth....In California, around the technology area of Silcone Valley,what was once a nice middle class moderate priced home, is now going for 50 times more than it's actual value..The problem here is not that these homes are worth that much,but the incomes that employees from these .com companies and their huge compensation programs have put this market totally out of whack...The folks that were in these homes made out,but the people buying these homes will never be able to retrieve their value....

I live in the mountains and our main industry next to logging is tourism....Because of the low interest rates, we experienced a building boom for second homes around a huge lake and ski resorts....What is starting to happen after these 1/4 million dollar homes have been built and the boom has shot these home prices through the roof,many are now up for sale and prices are starting to drop off.One reason is that this area,which you don't move too unless you're retired.The only satisfaction of a nice expensive so called "cabin in the woods" is only visited a couple of months out of a year and then sits while you pay....People that bought into a low Real Estate market for their second piece of property are finding it very difficult to unload it at their entry level.Now that is just this area,but eventually,it will dribble down until the realistic real prices fall back inline...This is the over exuberance of the Real Estate market and may have dire consequences when more and more peoples 401K not having the expectations and with their retirement being put off another few years.They will be forced to sell these second homes at firesale prices and great losses...

So in closing,if you do anything,start buying up major companies in the big caps...This market is giving you an opportunity at fire-sale prices.We still have time on the technology sector...

Snooze you lose....


Well, enough said..


You all have a good weekend...
 

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Some of the P/E 's are at 5 to 10 year lows.. Look at a solid company like G.E. I think that is one of a number you could EASILY take a LONG POSITION on easily...Spanky.....
 

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Thanks for the write up. I appreciate it. I had to bail out last week when the DOW ended up 489 pts. so I got that closing price. Had I not sold I would be up another 3K. I'll be back in about November.

Hang tough-
 

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ET, We may still test that low again. But the future is what we must count on. There have been just to many good buys lateley to sit by day after day. Like your web page.
 

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not yet

not yet

1. p/e of S&P issues are still overpriced by historical standards. dont have facts in front of me but large cap p/e ratios arestill mid double digits. (compare to 1974)

2. contraction in our economy seems to be accelerating now!

3. bankruptcies at an alltime high........also consumer and corporate and govt. debt

4. people are still working...........wait

5. real estate......is a real bubble
second homes are a mistake now....especially vacation homes in rural areas........I know...took me 6 years to sell mine at a little less than break even and I was one of the lucky ones.......high taxes and when kids grow up not much usage...agendas change!

also....70 million baby boomers have lost a LOTTA their retirement $$$.........They will be pulling in the spending reins and saving more....real soon....also looking to simplify......tap equity, downsize, relieve tax burdens etc. THAT could mean a LOTTA inventory on the market soon without a lotta buyers.

6. Who do ya trust? Not too many with big stock option packages. Man am I glad to see this charade exposed and getting attention.......Global economy, NAFTA, good excuses to send jobs, (slave labor) pollution, etc overseas.....wow stocks go up and option packages become valuable $$$$$$$$good jobs gone.......(sucking sounds???).....Accounting irregularities, F--K those crooks!

I see lower interest rates.....continued deflationary pressures
the consumer pulling back, job losses , single digit p/e ratios,
real estate woes etc. Belt tightening will become the issue of the day ..........and debt needs to be paid down ....Unless we try to inflate our way outa this and tank the value of the dollar.

Personally, I'm still not nibbling anywhere....sold a bunch of gold stocks at a 200% profit and bought a multi - family for rental income...will get a good amount of sweat equity also but am getting too old for this.

Would like to be more optimistic but:shrug:

bear
 

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Agree that the market may not be at the bottom, but there are some excellent values to be found in the markets right now. P/Es of some major Blue Chips are starting to return to reasonable levels and there are always values to be found if you do your homework.

I've always been a long-term, dollar cost averaging investor and I always will be. I own individual stocks rather than mutual funds and try and have most of my investments in DRIPs and no-load stocks so that I don't have to pay broker fees.

Two stocks that I have been buying more of the last few months are Popular, Inc (BPOP) and Dollar General Stores (DG). Not the sexiest stocks out there, but both are showing steady growth, increasing profits and are up YTD.
 

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Great write up, ET.

I live out here in San Francisco, where real estate prices are out of the reach of most two wage-earners. A 2-bedroom house asking for 550K ended up selling for 650K plus you might easily put in another 50K to fix it into live-in condition.

An ordinary house get about 15-20 offers, so your chances are not good unless you go all out and overbid everybody.

People who can afford these houses are people who bring cash from overseas, mainly europe and asia. There are lot's of rich families pulling out of asia and could put down a CASH down payment of 500K on a 800K home, or even pay off the house in cash :eek: An average family with combined income of 120K cannot even afford a decent house anymore. :(

I agree totally with ET that houses are not worth what they are asking for, but as long as there are demands, people will continue to ask for outrageous prices.

I am just patiently waiting to see if and when this real estate bubble will burst, and hopefully I will be ready to capitalize it.

Bear brought out a good point regarding the baby boomers. Once, I read an article trying to predict the what some of these folks will do now since their retirement plan is on hold and their savings are burned out. Any comments here or any additional articles you can refer me to?
 

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I agree that this is a time to buy. This is a time to accumulate. I'm not sure just how low it will go, for how long, and if those terrorists creeps will make another visit. Considering all that I don't expect to see a turn around any time soon. For now I am buying. But your heart has to go out to those living on their retirement and others depending on the income they get from their stock funds.
 

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