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jas4bama

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Can someone explain ,,,I pay 1400.00 a month for health care for my family of 3 now. I have a deductible I have to reach along with a co pay each time I go to the doctor. I am assuming most people have the same general program.
Some hopsitals are saying they are running out of money to operate the hospital, in just a month because margins are so slim. Who are they overpaying??The doc? the ceo? or is the light bill eating the profits or what. It seems everyone is fussing about how expensive it is to go to the doc but yet the hospitals are going broke? Are the insurance companies the ones who are making bank?
 

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Before moving out to Utah in 2015, I worked for Blue Cross Blue Shield of IL in the hospital reimbursement dept for a decade.

Yes, insurance companies are definitely making bank but mostly through volume rather than profit margin. Setting aside nefarious activities like baselessly denying claims to boost profits (although I'm not denying that kind of thing happens), most insurance companies operate on ~3% profit margin. In 2018 (the most recent data I could find), US healthcare spending was $3.6 trillion. Roughly 90% of Americans have health insurance, so that would translate into $3.24 trillion going through insurers. At a 3% profit margin, that would translate to $97 billion in profits.

In terms of pure profit margin, hands down it's the pharmaceutical companies. They gouge both the insurance companies and hospitals. Their counter-argument is that they need high margins to cover their huge R&D costs, which is true but . . . they are still making bank.

You've got 5 main groups of players in the US healthcare world: insured Americans, uninsured Americans, insurance networks, physician networks, and hospitals. Everyone's aware that insurance networks negotiate rates with physicians and hospitals, but the hospitals negotiate with the physician networks as well (i.e. the primary and specialist docs who don't work out of a hospital). If you're in a metro/suburban area and you don't pay those physicians market rates, they will align with another hospital and send all their patients there - leaving you with basically emergency care only. And of course, all of these networks who are negotiating do so through administrators. And here again, you need to pay your negotiators market rate or they go work for the competition. Last estimate I saw was that 31% of all health care costs go to cover administrative costs.

So in many ways, hospitals are squeezed just as consumers are. They have to pay market rate for their employees, get squeezed from the government, insurers and physicians, and can't turn away anyone in need of emergency care. That includes a lot of uninsured, who generally can't pay the astronomical sticker price of a hospital stay. And when the uninsured don't pay, those bills wind up going to the state - who pay pennies on the dollar. Much later on.

The present issue for hospitals is cash flow. They submit claims but don't get reimbursed from the insurers/government until 30-90 days later. So they've been dealing with a huge influx of patients and those associated expenses over the last 3-4 weeks, but haven't yet received most of the associated revenue yet.

So to answer your question - the people making bank are the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and the execs/admins for the hospital and physician networks.
 

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Before moving out to Utah in 2015, I worked for Blue Cross Blue Shield of IL in the hospital reimbursement dept for a decade.

Yes, insurance companies are definitely making bank but mostly through volume rather than profit margin. Setting aside nefarious activities like baselessly denying claims to boost profits (although I'm not denying that kind of thing happens), most insurance companies operate on ~3% profit margin. In 2018 (the most recent data I could find), US healthcare spending was $3.6 trillion. Roughly 90% of Americans have health insurance, so that would translate into $3.24 trillion going through insurers. At a 3% profit margin, that would translate to $97 billion in profits.

In terms of pure profit margin, hands down it's the pharmaceutical companies. They gouge both the insurance companies and hospitals. Their counter-argument is that they need high margins to cover their huge R&D costs, which is true but . . . they are still making bank.

You've got 5 main groups of players in the US healthcare world: insured Americans, uninsured Americans, insurance networks, physician networks, and hospitals. Everyone's aware that insurance networks negotiate rates with physicians and hospitals, but the hospitals negotiate with the physician networks as well (i.e. the primary and specialist docs who don't work out of a hospital). If you're in a metro/suburban area and you don't pay those physicians market rates, they will align with another hospital and send all their patients there - leaving you with basically emergency care only. And of course, all of these networks who are negotiating do so through administrators. And here again, you need to pay your negotiators market rate or they go work for the competition. Last estimate I saw was that 31% of all health care costs go to cover administrative costs.

So in many ways, hospitals are squeezed just as consumers are. They have to pay market rate for their employees, get squeezed from the government, insurers and physicians, and can't turn away anyone in need of emergency care. That includes a lot of uninsured, who generally can't pay the astronomical sticker price of a hospital stay. And when the uninsured don't pay, those bills wind up going to the state - who pay pennies on the dollar. Much later on.

The present issue for hospitals is cash flow. They submit claims but don't get reimbursed from the insurers/government until 30-90 days later. So they've been dealing with a huge influx of patients and those associated expenses over the last 3-4 weeks, but haven't yet received most of the associated revenue yet.

So to answer your question - the people making bank are the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and the execs/admins for the hospital and physician networks.

Well written and very true. Also, with the changes in Medicare/Medicaid, reimbursements to the hospital dropped around 40-50% in the past year or two, further causing issues for hospitals. Yes, insurance companies are the winners.
 

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how long before doctors form a co op that eliminates insurance companies for health care? Is that an option? Or has that been tried? I have never really looked at it until recently. When premiums went up triple
 

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Honestly, it can be frustrating that you don't get sick, but you pay the insurance premiums.
 

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Now there's something you would be good at, a crash test dummy. :toast:
 

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I had back surgery the Friday before the superbowl. I left the hospital that Sunday. My insurance just sent me the invoice for 86K which my part was 5k. No way can anyone justify that. Was a 2 hour surgery and 2 days in the hospital.
 

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I had back surgery the Friday before the superbowl. I left the hospital that Sunday. My insurance just sent me the invoice for 86K which my part was 5k. No way can anyone justify that. Was a 2 hour surgery and 2 days in the hospital.

'Murica!"
 

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Before moving out to Utah in 2015, I worked for Blue Cross Blue Shield of IL in the hospital reimbursement dept for a decade.

Yes, insurance companies are definitely making bank but mostly through volume rather than profit margin. Setting aside nefarious activities like baselessly denying claims to boost profits (although I'm not denying that kind of thing happens), most insurance companies operate on ~3% profit margin. In 2018 (the most recent data I could find), US healthcare spending was $3.6 trillion. Roughly 90% of Americans have health insurance, so that would translate into $3.24 trillion going through insurers. At a 3% profit margin, that would translate to $97 billion in profits.

In terms of pure profit margin, hands down it's the pharmaceutical companies. They gouge both the insurance companies and hospitals. Their counter-argument is that they need high margins to cover their huge R&D costs, which is true but . . . they are still making bank.

You've got 5 main groups of players in the US healthcare world: insured Americans, uninsured Americans, insurance networks, physician networks, and hospitals. Everyone's aware that insurance networks negotiate rates with physicians and hospitals, but the hospitals negotiate with the physician networks as well (i.e. the primary and specialist docs who don't work out of a hospital). If you're in a metro/suburban area and you don't pay those physicians market rates, they will align with another hospital and send all their patients there - leaving you with basically emergency care only. And of course, all of these networks who are negotiating do so through administrators. And here again, you need to pay your negotiators market rate or they go work for the competition. Last estimate I saw was that 31% of all health care costs go to cover administrative costs.

So in many ways, hospitals are squeezed just as consumers are. They have to pay market rate for their employees, get squeezed from the government, insurers and physicians, and can't turn away anyone in need of emergency care. That includes a lot of uninsured, who generally can't pay the astronomical sticker price of a hospital stay. And when the uninsured don't pay, those bills wind up going to the state - who pay pennies on the dollar. Much later on.

The present issue for hospitals is cash flow. They submit claims but don't get reimbursed from the insurers/government until 30-90 days later. So they've been dealing with a huge influx of patients and those associated expenses over the last 3-4 weeks, but haven't yet received most of the associated revenue yet.

So to answer your question - the people making bank are the insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and the execs/admins for the hospital and physician networks.

You can add the nurses making bank to that list, I know some during covid , with overtime were making 5k a week, not too shabby. Just sayn.
 

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Hi fuckhole!

His favorite thing to do, name calling like in second grade. To anyone and everyone, because his shit doesn't stink. No one better than him, just ask him. It's good to be the King of a website, and one that hovers on it 24/7 just waiting to pounce with the next jab.
 

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Health care provides for many people in the society and we all need it. Unfortunately we now face a very large problem. People are getting sick every day, which means we need more health care than ever before. However, we are struggling to keep up with the rising costs of these services. This is a big problem, and one that will be a problem for many years to come.
 

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Health care provides for many people in the society and we all need it. Unfortunately we now face a very large problem. People are getting sick every day, which means we need more health care than ever before. However, we are struggling to keep up with the rising costs of these services. This is a big problem, and one that will be a problem for many years to come.

Thanks, Hippocrates.
 
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