Here's what I don't get? (49ers)

Vegas Dave

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Although this team struggled drastically last year (by 49er standards), why is it necessary to rip this team to shreds and start from scratch?

I mean Terrell Owens has problems, fine, get rid of him. But getting rid of Jeff Garcia and Garrison Hearst for nothing is just plain foolish.

Sure Garcia is getting up there in age, but he still has skills. Tim Rattay is not the quarterback of this teams future, and more importantly they have nobody to replace Garcia.

A move that I've always questioned was keeping Garrison Hearst (and using him as the starter) when they had Kevan Barlow waiting to burst for the past few seasons. Why not trade Garrison away to a team who's desperate for a running game (Dallas, Detroit) for something in return.

This is going to be a very rough off-season for the 49ers, but you know what, a lot of it is their fault. There is no reason that Terrell Owens, Jeff Garcia and Garrison Hearst should be walking with no half-decent assets coming back your way.
 

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Yeah......real injury prone. :rolleyes:

In the past four seasons Garcia has played 16, 16, 16, and 13 games. Seems like he's made of glass.

He is making a bit too much money, but keep in mind at one point his numbers were better than Steve Young's and Joe Montana's.
 

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Did that ex-Miami U. QB ever get a look? I saw him come into a preseason game, and he had put on a ton of weight (he was pretty scrawny in college). Seemed to have a handle on the game. He's bigger than Garcia (both H and W).

Don't know if he is/was expected to stick, though.

Have they already basically indicated that Rattay is not a viable option? (Or was that an opinion?) I haven't seen the 49ers play much.
 

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I personally think Ken Dorsey (former Miami QB) should be given a shot. Unfortunately a lot of people believe that he doesn't have the tools to be a good NFL QB. He's definitely worth a shot.

Tim Rattay stepped in during this past season during a couple of games where Garcia left the game or didn't start. Although he briefly looked like a viable solution it's fairly evident why he was the backup. This team won't go anywhere with Tim Rattay as their leader.
 

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Don't know why you guys are writing off Rattay so soon. I think they plan on him starting. He looked great. I realize he didn't play the toughest competition but I know they have liked him since they drafted him. Why couldn't he be the QB of the future? I know they also like Dorsey still but feel Rattay is further along than him.

huge niner fan here and I am glad they did not re-sign Garcia.

His numbers were great but how many big games did he win? not many. His biggest win was against Green Bay a few years back when he threw a TD to Owens I think on the last play of the game.

Personally I think he has uncontrollable happy feet. A lot of the time he makes you forget about it becasue it can turn into something good because of his scrambling ability, but many times I think they would have better off with him staying in the pocket. He see's the smallest breakdown and he's off to the races.

He also cannot throw the ball downfield AT ALL. After Rattay had long ball success this year, the 49ers tried to get Garcia to throw long more when he came back and his long ball is awful.

If Garcia would have taken a HUGE pay cut to stay with the niners then I would say keep him, but I think the Niners or no worse off than they were yesterday when they had Garcia.

Getting rid of Hearst was a salary thing wasn't it? It is definitely Barlow's time to shine.

just my thoughts.
 

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I am a die hard niner fan and was happy to see Garcia go. He is NOT a championship QB, I feel he will never have the respect from the team as their leader. Hearst leaving was one that broke my heart, but it has to be done. Part of the reason of Garcia leaving was also due to the O-Line, they are revamping it, the starting QB is going to take some shots this year and Garcia will not be able to handle it. Rattay had a great couple of games but I feel that was in part because he had not had a start and the teams did not have any film on him, I really think he will come around. They are going through a changing of the guard, out with the old in with the new, I for one think it's a great time for it. Everyone I know had high hopes for the niners last year and I set my expectations @ .500...as we know that did not happen. IMHO the reason for that is Garcia does not lead the troops.
 

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I'm surprised that you guys blame Garcia for the failures of the team. The guy has played very well for the Niners and as metionned has put up better numbers than Montana and Young.

I would faster blame Terrell Owens for complaining so much and shredding that locker room to pieces. You guys complain a lot about the lack of leadership the Jeff Garcia showed, well how about the lack of leadership that Terrell Owens shows?

Nonetheless, one thing we can't argue about is that Hearst, Owens and Garcia are all quality players. My point is that why not get something in return for these players ahead of time instead of letting them all walk for nothing and making the rebuilding process THAT much harder?

P.S. It looks like the niners may get something for Owens now that he screwed himself. :D
 

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think i saw the stat on garcia

think i saw the stat on garcia

that he only threw ONE touchdown pass in the second half of a game, for the entire season. pretty crazy for a guy who started as many as he did IMHO.
 

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Yeah that's true.

Only 1 TD, and 4 INT in second halves this year. He did have 4 rushing touchdowns if that makes anyone feel better.

The niners are predominantly a run-the-ball first type of team (5th in the league this year).

McNabb only had 6 passing touchdowns in second halves this year.

Oh well, its over and done with. At least the niners get a 2nd round pick for Owens.
 

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Interesting article on the 9ers problems. I agree with a lot of what Bayless has to say.




If he wants to help 49ers, York should sell them

By Skip Bayless, Mercury News Staff Columnist

Call this a "Dear John" letter.


I do not dislike 49ers owner John York personally. But I'm shocked and saddened by what he has done professionally to a once-proud franchise.


York has allowed the San Francisco 49ers to turn into what the Arizona Cardinals were before they pulled off a new stadium deal and hired Dennis Green to lead them out of the NFC West desert. The Cardinals had kept last place warm for York's Once Prouds, who inconceivably have tripped and fallen back down the basement steps into salary-cap hell.


I hesitate to write this, because it will only strengthen York's dangerously stubborn and misguided resolve. But there's only one way he'll ever be the Bay Area hero his brother-in-law Eddie DeBartolo was when he ran the 49ers. Only one, John: Sell the 49ers.


No shame in that. Just concede that running an NFL team isn't your strength and sell the 49ers for a staggering profit to, say, the group headed by former 49ers Steve Young and Brent Jones. Leave 49ers fans ecstatic and buy your way back into the horse-racing industry, a business you know and love and have conquered before.


Do it for the thousands in the stands and living rooms who have invested lifetimes of emotions and entertainment dollars in a team they own in so many more ways than you do, John.


Many 49ers fans have called or written me questioning York's motives. "Dr. Dork," many call him. Why has he turned the team into the cost-cutting 49 Cent-ers, as I call them? York continues to tell me he has no plans to sell -- yet no urgent plans to pursue a new revenue-rocketing stadium.


This doesn't quite add up. Might York one day lose his quick temper over the onslaught of criticism and decide, that's it, he's moving the team to another market? Or is it that he lacks the Carmen Policy-style salesmanship flair to persuade city officials to help him subsidize a new stadium?


Whatever, I see an increasingly frightened man whose pride is trapped in a game he can't win. He's hell-bent on showing his wife's brother that he too can turn this team around, as Eddie did in the late 1970s. If only York had Eddie's original resources and football vision.


Does life get much stranger than John York winding up owning and operating a cornerstone NFL franchise in Northern California?


He was born in Muskogee, Okla., and raised in Little Rock, Ark. His father, a dentist, died when he was 13. Though York was big enough to play offensive tackle, he was a much better student than athlete. At Notre Dame, where he graduated magna cum laude, he had to work odd jobs to help pay for school.


In South Bend he met "Neesee," eventual wife Denise DeBartolo. After medical school, York persuaded her empire-running father to back a venture he believed in -- medical labs. Two years later, York had nearly run through his father-in-law's $2 million investment when the business turned around. York eventually sold DeYor Laboratories for a reportedly enormous profit.


Same for the three racetracks his father-in-law asked him to run -- Louisiana Downs, Thistledown and Remington Park. Thistledown and Remington were financial disasters, but York soon whipped them into shape and eventually sold all three for a reported profit.


York is extremely proud of those achievements, and he should be. But neither has anything to do with turning around an NFL team. That requires hiring the right general manager and coach and spending when it's time to spend. York has made one bad, backpedaling choice after another, resulting in a second "Five-Year Plan."


Season-ticket holders are furious, and they should be. It's bad enough that they're being asked to swallow a 10 percent price increase. But in the age of quick-turnaround parity, you cannot smile and tell your customers that next year might be a lost cause, but just wait till '09! The best game the 49ers have played for the last year has been fan-duping, media-deceiving public relations.


In late 2002, I bought into York wanting to replace Steve Mariucci with a Big Guy -- a Parcells or a Holmgren. York proved to be too cheap and insecure for that.


I bought into changing direction at quarterback by letting Jeff Garcia change scenery. But I was thinking much bigger than going with Tim Rattay. I was thinking Mark Brunell -- but Washington, the biggest spender last off-season, was able to land Brunell, Clinton Portis and a Big Guy, Joe Gibbs. I was thinking Drew Henson or Eli Manning or . . .


What was I thinking? Not once has a move made by General Manager Terry Donahue made me say, "Wow."


York's operation has no bold, creative, Billy Beane-style plan. These 49ers don't make things happen; things happen to them. It's as if they woke up one day and realized they couldn't afford Garcia or Terrell Owens even if they wanted to.


Recently the 49ers announced they're following a new "Philadelphia Model" by locking up young draftees before they approach free agency. Wednesday, Philadelphia locked up the best player on the free-agent market, Jevon Kearse, to a record deal for a defensive lineman -- eight years, $66 million. Yes, the Eagles had cleared the cap room, but could York have written that $16 million bonus check?


By next week, York might be following the Sabercats Model.


Wednesday, an ESPN.com ranking of the top 30 free agents listed three possible new homes for each. Not once were the Once Prouds mentioned as a possibility.


Sell, John. Please.


Contact Skip Bayless at sbayless@mercurynews.com or (408) 920-5430. Fax (408) 920-5244.


Updated on Thursday, Mar 4, 2004 6:
 

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personally dave, like garcia. the weak o-line, def secondary, and that former loser you had at wr are more to blame than the qb with the high pitched voice.:tongue rather have garcia than my current 39 yr old incumbent ! gl next year.
 

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believe i recall hearing

believe i recall hearing

a rumore on NFL network that interest was being shown from TB and gruden--and vice versa from garcia, though for reasons that escape me (money i thinx), they were running into a wall. also mentioned was ATL being interetsed, but for backup duties, which obviously doesnt bode for what garcia is looking for in status (starter) and money to go with. also mentioned was his visting clv. thats all i recall--sorry soo vague
 

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News and Notes

News and Notes

Mar 8 After Tim Couch turned down a lowball restructure of his contract, the Browns have reportedly offered former 49er Jeff Garcia a larger deal to become their quarterback. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Garcia is mulling over a two-year deal worth about $8 million. Garcia's contract not only is larger than the $6.5 million the Browns asked Couch to accept, it also includes more guaranteed money. Garcia so impressed Browns' officials during his Friday visit that the team decided not to extend a second offer to Couch. Garcia has also drawn interest from the Buccaneers and Falcons, but Browns' sources told the Plain Dealer they hoped he would return to Cleveland on Monday to accept the offer. -yahoo sports personal player page
 
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