HILTON Week 3
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i believe we have that on the madjacks football page........would not touch feist related sites at the moment since that is where i caught a virus....
for info........from andy..
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STARDUST INVITATIONAL HANDICAPPING TOURNAMENT
September 28, 2001
Opening Round -- Match 2
Pete Korner
vs.
Lance Zeirlein
Contest Format -- 16 nationally prominent celebrities & handicappers have been invited by the management of the Stardust Race & Sports Book to compete for a winner-take-all $10,000 prize. Each week two contestants are matched against each other in a head to head meeting with each handicapper making 7 selections against the pointspread at the Stardust using the line at approximately 8:30 PM (the contest airs over radio station KDWN (AM 720) at 9:00 PM and is also available for broadcast on the Internet). One of the 7 selections is designated as a Best Bet. The winner is determined by the handicapper having the greater winning percentage with all selections rated equally. The Best Bet is used only as a tie breaker in the event both handicappers have the same record on all 7 selections. Pushes are ignored (thus 5-2 would lose to 4-1-2). The winner will be the handicapper who successfully wins a total of 4 matches with the finals to be held in week 16, December 21, 2001. The weekly contest is held in the Race & Sports Book at the Stardust at 9:00 PM on Fridays and is open to the public.
September 28, 2001 -- Pete Korner vs. Lance Zeirlein
Pete Korner's Selections --
Oregon State + 3 1/2 over Ucla
Toledo - 17 over Northern Illinois
New Mexico State - 13 over UL Monroe
Marshall - 5 over Bowling Green
Cleveland Browns & Jacksonville Jaguars UNDER 34 1/2
Philadelphia Eagles - 13 1/2 over Dallas Cowboys
Best Bet: Oakland Raiders - 10 1/2 over Seattle Seahawks
Lance Zeirlein's Selections
Lsu + 10 over U of Tennessee
Oklahoma - 4 1/2 over Kansas State
Rice + 3 1/2 over Hawaii
Michigan - 7 over Illinois
Buffalo Bills + 3 over Pittsburgh Steelers
Arizona Cardinals + 3 over Atlanta Falcons
(BEST BET) : St Louis Rams - 6 over Miami Dolphins
NEXT WEEK:
Tim Jeffrey vs. Tim Trushel
UPCOMING MATCHES --
Roster of This Season's Contestants --
Chip Chirimbes
Dave Cokin
Bob Donahue
Patrick Forsythe
Pete Korner
Tim Jeffrey
Tom Mack
Napoleon McCallum
Stephen Nover
Mike Orkin
Bert Osborne
Tim Trushel
Dave Tuley
Stanford Wong
Bubba Youngblood
Lance Zeirlein
Results of Previous Matches
First Round Results--
Dave Cokin (3-4) defeated Chip Chirimbes (1-6)
Through 1 week of this season's contest, the handicappers
combined to go 4-10-0 overall for 28.6% with Best Bets going 0-2-0 for 00.0%
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SUNSET STATION CONTEST -- Week of September 29 - October 1, 2001
Contest Format -- Twelve reputable and nationally or regionally prominent handicappers have been invited to participate in the contest. Each contestant makes 6 selections against the pointspread (generally Thursday noon lines are used), designating one selection as a Best Bet. Each regular winner is worth 2 points; a Best Bet winner is worth 3 points, all pushes (including Best Bets) are worth 1 points; losers are worth 0 points. The top four contestants after 15 weeks advance to the semi-final with the top two advancing to a head-to-head final in week 17. With 13 points available to be won each week, through 15 weeks a 'perfect score' would be 195 points.
In week 16 the top four finishers from the first fifteen weeks will compete according the same rules except that this phase of the contest runs just one week. The top two finishers in week 16 will compete head-to-head in week 17 for the 2001 Sunset Station Handicapping Championship and $5,000 winner-take-all first prize.
Selections of the 12 contestants for Week 3 (September 29-October 1)
12 Contestants compete during the first 15 weeks of the Contest after which the top 4 finishers meet in the semi-finals to reduce to 2 the number of contestants who will meet in the Sunset Station Invitational Handicapping Tournament Finals on December 29
Here is a listing of the 12 participants in the Fourth Annual
Sunset Station Contest (in alphabetical order):
Brent Crow
Russ Culver
Bob Donahue
Andy Iskoe
Mike Lee
Bryan Leonard
Glenn McGrew
Scott Spreitzer
Dr Bob Stoll
Tom Stryker
Tim Trushel
Rob Veno
Collectively the 12 handicappers have gone 63-50-7 (55.8%) on their regular
selections and 11-13-0 (45.8%) on their Best Bets for a total record
of 74-63-7 (54.0%) through the first 2 weeks of the 2001 Contest
Selections & Results for the 2001 Contest
Please note that the selections are not listed in the same order as the Contestants are listed above. Since most of the Contestants also offer their selections for sale to clients, in order to achieve an ethical balance between providing solid handicapping information to the public free of charge and retaining the integrity of the handicappers to their paying clients, the names of the specific contestants are not being disclosed as to the identity of whose selections are whose but the same Contestant's selections will be provided in the same spot each week. In other words, Contestant # 1 will ALWAYS be Contestant # 1 throughout the season so that you may track the performance of each Contestant week by week.
Selections of Contestant # 1 (Currently in 10th place with 11 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Baylor + 15 over Iowa State
Auburn - 5 1/2 over Vanderbilt
Alabama Birmingham + 5 1/2 over Southern Miss
Texas A&M - 3 over Notre Dame
Michigan State + 6 1/2 over Northwestern
(BEST BET) : Ucla - 3 over Oregon State
Selections of Contestant # 2 (Currently in 4th place with 15 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Iowa - 10 over Penn State
Alabama-Birmingham + 5 1/2 over Southern Miss
U of Buffalo + 7 over Central Michigan
Toledo - 17 1/2 over Northern Illinois
Maryland - 9 over West Virginia
(BEST BET) -- Western Michigan - 24 over Eastern Michigan
Selections of Contestant # 3 (Currently tied for 7th place with 12 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Iowa - 10 over Penn State
Alabama Birmingham + 5 1/2 over Southern Miss
Arizona State - 14 1/2 over San Jose State
Maryland - 9 over West Virginia
Green Bay Packers & Carolina Panthers OVER 40 1/2
(BEST BET) -- Washington State - 2 1/2 over U of Arizona
Selections of Contestant # 4 (Currently in 11th place with 10 points; Best Bets 0-2-0)
U of Houston + 6 1/2 over Tcu
Lsu + 10 over U of Tennessee
Baylor + 15 over Iowa State
Cincinnati Bengals + 6 1/2 over San Diego Chargers
Washington Redskins + 3 1/2 over Kansas City Chiefs
(BEST BET) -- UNLV + 7 1/2 over Byu
Selections of Contestant # 5 (Currently tied for 7th place with 12 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Western Michigan - 24 over Eastern Michigan
Middle Tennessee - 19 over UL Lafayette
Akron - 16 1/2 over Kent State
St Louis Rams - 6 over Miami Dolphins
Jacksonville Jaguars - 8 1/2 over Cleveland Browns
(BEST BET) -- Oregon - 15 over Utah State
Selections of Contestant # 6 (Currently tied for 5th place with 13 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
North Carolina State - 1 1/2 over North Carolina
Colorado State - 3 over Wyoming
U of Arizona + 2 1/2 over Washington State
East Carolina + 6 over Syracuse
Indianapolis Colts & New England Patriots UNDER 44 1/2
(BEST BET) -- USC - 1 1/2 over Stanford
Selections of Contestant # 7 (Currently tied for 2nd place with 19 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Iowa - 10 Penn State
Lsu + 10 over U of Tennessee
U of Buffalo + 7 over Central Michigan
Washington State - 2 1/2 over U of Arizona
St Louis Rams - 6 over Miami Dolphins
(BEST BET) -- Ucla - 3 over Oregon State
Selections of Contestant # 8 (Currently in 1st place with 2points; Best Bets 2-0-0)
Purdue - 4 over U of Minnesota
Illinois + 6 1/2 over Michigan
Florida - 17 over Mississippi State
Northwestern - 6 1/2 over Michigan State
Washington State - 2 1/2 over U of Arizona
(BEST BET) -- Maryland - 9 over West Virginia
Selections of Contestant # 9 (Currently in 12th place with 8 points; Best Bets 0-2-0)
Boston College - 24 over Army
Tcu - 6 1/2 over U of Houston
Lsu + 10 over U of Tennessee
N Y Giants - 3 over New Orleans Saints
San Diego Chargers - 6 1/2 over Cincinnati Bengals
(BEST BET) -- Maryland - 9 over West Virginia
Selections of Contestant # 10 (Currently tied for 5th place with 13 points; Best Bets 0-2-0)
North Carolina + 1 1/2 over North Carolina State
UNLV + 7 1/2 over Byu
East Carolina + 6 over Syracuse
U of Buffalo + 7 over Central Michigan
Tulsa Pick 'em over UTEP
(BEST BET) -- Miami Dolphins + 6 over St Louis Rams
Selections of Contestant # 11 (Currently tied for 2nd place with 19 points; Best Bets 2-0-0)
Georgia Tech - 11 over Clemson
Florida - 17 over Mississippi State
USC - 1 1/2 over Stanford
Texas & Texas Tech OVER 57
Baltimore Ravens & Denver Broncos OVER 41
(BEST BET) -- Nebraska - 23 1/2 over Missouri
Selections of Contestant # 12 (Currently tied for 7th place with 12 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Ucla - 3 over Oregon State
Washington Redskins + 3 1/2 over Kansas City Chiefs
New England Patriots + 11 1/2 over Indianapolis Colts
Cleveland Browns + 8 1/2 over Jacksonville Jaguars
Dallas Cowboys + 13 1/2 over Philadelphia Eagles
(BEST BET) -- Cincinnati Bengals + 6 1/2 over San Diego Chargers
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2001 LAS VEGAS HILTON NFL SuperContest -- Week # 3 (Sept 30-Oct 1)
Contest Format -- The SuperContest is open to anyone who pays the entry fee. Each entrant pays a $1,500 entry fee with 90% of the fees being returned to the winners. Only the top 20 places (and ties) are paid. Historically, a 60% winning percentage will finish in the Top Twenty. Each contestant must make five selections each week vs. the pointspread (generally the lines at the Hilton as of noon on Tuesdays). Each winning selection counts 1 point; a push counts 1/2 point; losses are 0 points.
Consensus Selections of All 225 Contestants (top 5 selections in Bold) *
Tampa Bay (37) - 2 1/2 vs. MINNESOTA (44)
Kansas City (45) - 3 vs. WASHINGTON (22)
ST LOUIS (35) - 5 1/2 vs. Miami (48)
Green Bay (62) - 3 1/2 vs. CAROLINA (51)
Indianapolis (57) - 10 1/2 vs. NEW ENGLAND (23)
N Y GIANTS (35) - 3 vs. New Orleans (48)
Pittsburgh (20) - 3 vs. BUFFALO (36)
Atlanta (34) - 3 1/2 vs. ARIZONA (47)
DENVER (96) - 4 1/2 vs. Baltimore (21)
SAN DIEGO (42) - 6 1/2 vs. Cincinnati (44)
JACKSONVILLE (66) - 7 1/2 vs. Cleveland (18)
OAKLAND (57) - 10 1/2 vs. Seattle (11)
PHILADELPHIA (25) - 13 1/2 vs. Dallas (26)
N Y JETS (33) - 3 vs. San Francisco (40)
Top 5 selections are in Bold type
# in parentheses indicates contestants selecting that team
(i.e. 37 contestants took Tampa Bay - 2 1/2 over Minnesota)
HOME TEAM is in CAPS
* There may be weeks when fewer than all contestants submit entries
Consensus Selections of the Leaders -- xx Contestants at xx.x% or higher for the season
THESE SELECTIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY ABOUT 8 AM PDT SATURDAY MORNINGS
AND WILL BEGIN 3-4 WEEKS AFTER THE SEASON HAS STARTED
Currently the Leader is at xx-xx-x (xx.x %)
There are x contestants at xx-xx-x (xx.x %) or better
There are xx contestants at xx-xx-x (60.0 %) or better
Top 3 selection(s) will be shown in Bold type
for info........from andy..
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STARDUST INVITATIONAL HANDICAPPING TOURNAMENT
September 28, 2001
Opening Round -- Match 2
Pete Korner
vs.
Lance Zeirlein
Contest Format -- 16 nationally prominent celebrities & handicappers have been invited by the management of the Stardust Race & Sports Book to compete for a winner-take-all $10,000 prize. Each week two contestants are matched against each other in a head to head meeting with each handicapper making 7 selections against the pointspread at the Stardust using the line at approximately 8:30 PM (the contest airs over radio station KDWN (AM 720) at 9:00 PM and is also available for broadcast on the Internet). One of the 7 selections is designated as a Best Bet. The winner is determined by the handicapper having the greater winning percentage with all selections rated equally. The Best Bet is used only as a tie breaker in the event both handicappers have the same record on all 7 selections. Pushes are ignored (thus 5-2 would lose to 4-1-2). The winner will be the handicapper who successfully wins a total of 4 matches with the finals to be held in week 16, December 21, 2001. The weekly contest is held in the Race & Sports Book at the Stardust at 9:00 PM on Fridays and is open to the public.
September 28, 2001 -- Pete Korner vs. Lance Zeirlein
Pete Korner's Selections --
Oregon State + 3 1/2 over Ucla
Toledo - 17 over Northern Illinois
New Mexico State - 13 over UL Monroe
Marshall - 5 over Bowling Green
Cleveland Browns & Jacksonville Jaguars UNDER 34 1/2
Philadelphia Eagles - 13 1/2 over Dallas Cowboys
Best Bet: Oakland Raiders - 10 1/2 over Seattle Seahawks
Lance Zeirlein's Selections
Lsu + 10 over U of Tennessee
Oklahoma - 4 1/2 over Kansas State
Rice + 3 1/2 over Hawaii
Michigan - 7 over Illinois
Buffalo Bills + 3 over Pittsburgh Steelers
Arizona Cardinals + 3 over Atlanta Falcons
(BEST BET) : St Louis Rams - 6 over Miami Dolphins
NEXT WEEK:
Tim Jeffrey vs. Tim Trushel
UPCOMING MATCHES --
Roster of This Season's Contestants --
Chip Chirimbes
Dave Cokin
Bob Donahue
Patrick Forsythe
Pete Korner
Tim Jeffrey
Tom Mack
Napoleon McCallum
Stephen Nover
Mike Orkin
Bert Osborne
Tim Trushel
Dave Tuley
Stanford Wong
Bubba Youngblood
Lance Zeirlein
Results of Previous Matches
First Round Results--
Dave Cokin (3-4) defeated Chip Chirimbes (1-6)
Through 1 week of this season's contest, the handicappers
combined to go 4-10-0 overall for 28.6% with Best Bets going 0-2-0 for 00.0%
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SUNSET STATION CONTEST -- Week of September 29 - October 1, 2001
Contest Format -- Twelve reputable and nationally or regionally prominent handicappers have been invited to participate in the contest. Each contestant makes 6 selections against the pointspread (generally Thursday noon lines are used), designating one selection as a Best Bet. Each regular winner is worth 2 points; a Best Bet winner is worth 3 points, all pushes (including Best Bets) are worth 1 points; losers are worth 0 points. The top four contestants after 15 weeks advance to the semi-final with the top two advancing to a head-to-head final in week 17. With 13 points available to be won each week, through 15 weeks a 'perfect score' would be 195 points.
In week 16 the top four finishers from the first fifteen weeks will compete according the same rules except that this phase of the contest runs just one week. The top two finishers in week 16 will compete head-to-head in week 17 for the 2001 Sunset Station Handicapping Championship and $5,000 winner-take-all first prize.
Selections of the 12 contestants for Week 3 (September 29-October 1)
12 Contestants compete during the first 15 weeks of the Contest after which the top 4 finishers meet in the semi-finals to reduce to 2 the number of contestants who will meet in the Sunset Station Invitational Handicapping Tournament Finals on December 29
Here is a listing of the 12 participants in the Fourth Annual
Sunset Station Contest (in alphabetical order):
Brent Crow
Russ Culver
Bob Donahue
Andy Iskoe
Mike Lee
Bryan Leonard
Glenn McGrew
Scott Spreitzer
Dr Bob Stoll
Tom Stryker
Tim Trushel
Rob Veno
Collectively the 12 handicappers have gone 63-50-7 (55.8%) on their regular
selections and 11-13-0 (45.8%) on their Best Bets for a total record
of 74-63-7 (54.0%) through the first 2 weeks of the 2001 Contest
Selections & Results for the 2001 Contest
Please note that the selections are not listed in the same order as the Contestants are listed above. Since most of the Contestants also offer their selections for sale to clients, in order to achieve an ethical balance between providing solid handicapping information to the public free of charge and retaining the integrity of the handicappers to their paying clients, the names of the specific contestants are not being disclosed as to the identity of whose selections are whose but the same Contestant's selections will be provided in the same spot each week. In other words, Contestant # 1 will ALWAYS be Contestant # 1 throughout the season so that you may track the performance of each Contestant week by week.
Selections of Contestant # 1 (Currently in 10th place with 11 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Baylor + 15 over Iowa State
Auburn - 5 1/2 over Vanderbilt
Alabama Birmingham + 5 1/2 over Southern Miss
Texas A&M - 3 over Notre Dame
Michigan State + 6 1/2 over Northwestern
(BEST BET) : Ucla - 3 over Oregon State
Selections of Contestant # 2 (Currently in 4th place with 15 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Iowa - 10 over Penn State
Alabama-Birmingham + 5 1/2 over Southern Miss
U of Buffalo + 7 over Central Michigan
Toledo - 17 1/2 over Northern Illinois
Maryland - 9 over West Virginia
(BEST BET) -- Western Michigan - 24 over Eastern Michigan
Selections of Contestant # 3 (Currently tied for 7th place with 12 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Iowa - 10 over Penn State
Alabama Birmingham + 5 1/2 over Southern Miss
Arizona State - 14 1/2 over San Jose State
Maryland - 9 over West Virginia
Green Bay Packers & Carolina Panthers OVER 40 1/2
(BEST BET) -- Washington State - 2 1/2 over U of Arizona
Selections of Contestant # 4 (Currently in 11th place with 10 points; Best Bets 0-2-0)
U of Houston + 6 1/2 over Tcu
Lsu + 10 over U of Tennessee
Baylor + 15 over Iowa State
Cincinnati Bengals + 6 1/2 over San Diego Chargers
Washington Redskins + 3 1/2 over Kansas City Chiefs
(BEST BET) -- UNLV + 7 1/2 over Byu
Selections of Contestant # 5 (Currently tied for 7th place with 12 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Western Michigan - 24 over Eastern Michigan
Middle Tennessee - 19 over UL Lafayette
Akron - 16 1/2 over Kent State
St Louis Rams - 6 over Miami Dolphins
Jacksonville Jaguars - 8 1/2 over Cleveland Browns
(BEST BET) -- Oregon - 15 over Utah State
Selections of Contestant # 6 (Currently tied for 5th place with 13 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
North Carolina State - 1 1/2 over North Carolina
Colorado State - 3 over Wyoming
U of Arizona + 2 1/2 over Washington State
East Carolina + 6 over Syracuse
Indianapolis Colts & New England Patriots UNDER 44 1/2
(BEST BET) -- USC - 1 1/2 over Stanford
Selections of Contestant # 7 (Currently tied for 2nd place with 19 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Iowa - 10 Penn State
Lsu + 10 over U of Tennessee
U of Buffalo + 7 over Central Michigan
Washington State - 2 1/2 over U of Arizona
St Louis Rams - 6 over Miami Dolphins
(BEST BET) -- Ucla - 3 over Oregon State
Selections of Contestant # 8 (Currently in 1st place with 2points; Best Bets 2-0-0)
Purdue - 4 over U of Minnesota
Illinois + 6 1/2 over Michigan
Florida - 17 over Mississippi State
Northwestern - 6 1/2 over Michigan State
Washington State - 2 1/2 over U of Arizona
(BEST BET) -- Maryland - 9 over West Virginia
Selections of Contestant # 9 (Currently in 12th place with 8 points; Best Bets 0-2-0)
Boston College - 24 over Army
Tcu - 6 1/2 over U of Houston
Lsu + 10 over U of Tennessee
N Y Giants - 3 over New Orleans Saints
San Diego Chargers - 6 1/2 over Cincinnati Bengals
(BEST BET) -- Maryland - 9 over West Virginia
Selections of Contestant # 10 (Currently tied for 5th place with 13 points; Best Bets 0-2-0)
North Carolina + 1 1/2 over North Carolina State
UNLV + 7 1/2 over Byu
East Carolina + 6 over Syracuse
U of Buffalo + 7 over Central Michigan
Tulsa Pick 'em over UTEP
(BEST BET) -- Miami Dolphins + 6 over St Louis Rams
Selections of Contestant # 11 (Currently tied for 2nd place with 19 points; Best Bets 2-0-0)
Georgia Tech - 11 over Clemson
Florida - 17 over Mississippi State
USC - 1 1/2 over Stanford
Texas & Texas Tech OVER 57
Baltimore Ravens & Denver Broncos OVER 41
(BEST BET) -- Nebraska - 23 1/2 over Missouri
Selections of Contestant # 12 (Currently tied for 7th place with 12 points; Best Bets 1-1-0)
Ucla - 3 over Oregon State
Washington Redskins + 3 1/2 over Kansas City Chiefs
New England Patriots + 11 1/2 over Indianapolis Colts
Cleveland Browns + 8 1/2 over Jacksonville Jaguars
Dallas Cowboys + 13 1/2 over Philadelphia Eagles
(BEST BET) -- Cincinnati Bengals + 6 1/2 over San Diego Chargers
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2001 LAS VEGAS HILTON NFL SuperContest -- Week # 3 (Sept 30-Oct 1)
Contest Format -- The SuperContest is open to anyone who pays the entry fee. Each entrant pays a $1,500 entry fee with 90% of the fees being returned to the winners. Only the top 20 places (and ties) are paid. Historically, a 60% winning percentage will finish in the Top Twenty. Each contestant must make five selections each week vs. the pointspread (generally the lines at the Hilton as of noon on Tuesdays). Each winning selection counts 1 point; a push counts 1/2 point; losses are 0 points.
Consensus Selections of All 225 Contestants (top 5 selections in Bold) *
Tampa Bay (37) - 2 1/2 vs. MINNESOTA (44)
Kansas City (45) - 3 vs. WASHINGTON (22)
ST LOUIS (35) - 5 1/2 vs. Miami (48)
Green Bay (62) - 3 1/2 vs. CAROLINA (51)
Indianapolis (57) - 10 1/2 vs. NEW ENGLAND (23)
N Y GIANTS (35) - 3 vs. New Orleans (48)
Pittsburgh (20) - 3 vs. BUFFALO (36)
Atlanta (34) - 3 1/2 vs. ARIZONA (47)
DENVER (96) - 4 1/2 vs. Baltimore (21)
SAN DIEGO (42) - 6 1/2 vs. Cincinnati (44)
JACKSONVILLE (66) - 7 1/2 vs. Cleveland (18)
OAKLAND (57) - 10 1/2 vs. Seattle (11)
PHILADELPHIA (25) - 13 1/2 vs. Dallas (26)
N Y JETS (33) - 3 vs. San Francisco (40)
Top 5 selections are in Bold type
# in parentheses indicates contestants selecting that team
(i.e. 37 contestants took Tampa Bay - 2 1/2 over Minnesota)
HOME TEAM is in CAPS
* There may be weeks when fewer than all contestants submit entries
Consensus Selections of the Leaders -- xx Contestants at xx.x% or higher for the season
THESE SELECTIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE BY ABOUT 8 AM PDT SATURDAY MORNINGS
AND WILL BEGIN 3-4 WEEKS AFTER THE SEASON HAS STARTED
Currently the Leader is at xx-xx-x (xx.x %)
There are x contestants at xx-xx-x (xx.x %) or better
There are xx contestants at xx-xx-x (60.0 %) or better
Top 3 selection(s) will be shown in Bold type
also of a side note......
the following have been known to frequent the free picks page at madjacks from their iseceisp numbers which can be tracked......
Brent Crow
Russ Culver
Bob Donahue
Andy Iskoe
Mike Lee
Bryan Leonard
Glenn McGrew
Scott Spreitzer
Dr Bob Stoll
Tom Stryker
Tim Trushel
Rob Veno
the following have been known to frequent the free picks page at madjacks from their iseceisp numbers which can be tracked......
Brent Crow
Russ Culver
Bob Donahue
Andy Iskoe
Mike Lee
Bryan Leonard
Glenn McGrew
Scott Spreitzer
Dr Bob Stoll
Tom Stryker
Tim Trushel
Rob Veno
IE, thanks for posting the names of the touts that come here to steal plays. Good for you! They all are coin flipping guessers anyway.
Please elaborate on how u caught a virus from the nss site. I don't know about catching viruses from websites, so I'd like to know. Thanks.
Please elaborate on how u caught a virus from the nss site. I don't know about catching viruses from websites, so I'd like to know. Thanks.
I'm curious but because people agree on games etc... it is stealing?
I didn't know any one person owned a copyright on plays & from personal experience it is common to check out what cappers you fully respect are playing.
Mr. Promises Delivered, I guess you missed it last year when it was discovered that several of the services were STEALING word for word Nollan's writeup's, huh?
You can take up for the touts all you want, and I'll keep trashing them. Why would you want to side with the touts???? You don't believe their lies, do you?
You can take up for the touts all you want, and I'll keep trashing them. Why would you want to side with the touts???? You don't believe their lies, do you?
I do remember that incident last year.
In general I personally feel that 99% of people have the wrong definition of what a tout & sports service is.
There are actually some respectible services out there which get grouped in what the public's definition of a tout/service is.
GL2U Today
In general I personally feel that 99% of people have the wrong definition of what a tout & sports service is.
There are actually some respectible services out there which get grouped in what the public's definition of a tout/service is.
GL2U Today
that is correct, the vegas people do steal info and opinion from here and other posting forums.
I work for one and I nearly had a cow when my words were used as well as my user name. I won't say the capper, or my user name though.
I work for one and I nearly had a cow when my words were used as well as my user name. I won't say the capper, or my user name though.
i dont't know, guys.
first, i.e., thanks for the expanded info.
personally, my interest in the hilton is one of curiosity, although i may skip what appears to be a stupid pick where i have done no research and the consensus tells me otherwise with a very strong confidence level, not just a top pick.
i pay absolutely no attention to anybody's picks unless they can make a case for it. i will read ocassionally the match-ups at sportsnetw and there is a fellow at db who can write an interesting resume of the games with a limited amount of words. i enjoy both of those, and that is about the extent of my web research for football, with 98% of it coming from right here. oh, i forgot, for amusement, you can't beat the harmon forecast, who will guarantee 75-80% winners, and with a track record to prove it. LOL
do we have fools who follow anyone in the quest for a (COSTLY) freebie or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? absolutely.
i am on record here at both forums as being all over denver and green bay, with a reversal pick on tuesday, from a first impression lean to seattle, to picking oak straight out. that challenge from one of our members, made me do research and reverse myself. so they came in the top 5 at the hilton. ok, it makes me feel good, that is all.
case in point: in the contest, i picked carolina-wk 1 and skipped minny in week 2, both in the hilton top 5, and both heavily favored at our own contest as well.
as far as others coming in to browse here, take a hint from nolan, etc.: i am sure there are some free loaders, but suspect most just want to get a feel for what is going on, much like us regulars who read, post and re-post in the quest for sharpening our skills and picks. say, even russ culver, whom i do not know. before he makes his picks he wants to research, including mj. so what? why should he be chastised for browsing?
i suspect there are many regulars here who have never said a word in the forums. does that make them spies or bad? some people are freaked at the possibility of posting something and being challenged, or even ridiculed, as they perceive it.
does the fact that you may have a service which you don't tout, prevent you from being here and having an exchange with others?
i will say it again: the fact that any known person or service click on to mj with a certain frequency is a tribute to mj and all those who contribute here.
as far as hilton guys, i doubt it. there is too little info posted here before the deadline. with the exception of some of nolan's "early releases" and some posts by myself. anyone who wants to correct me, go ahead, i don't keep tabs on everyone.
btw, there are some cliches that may be repeated by more than one person without having to "steal" it from others, such as:
they are going in opposite directions.
there is value, there is no value.
right place, right time, or the opposite.
there are also a few people, including here, that will emulate the top 5 hilton picks, or select according to the confidence level. they seem to be doing ok, and as long as it works for them, more power to them. they are looking for money and are finding it there.
i suppose that it boils down to having a tremendous variety of people and approaches to the games. i keep telling jack that he should not worry about what others are doing, and if they frequent mj, well, that is the name of the game, more clicks, and more power to the mj website. the question is, how is mj doing, after having said all this?
pep
first, i.e., thanks for the expanded info.
personally, my interest in the hilton is one of curiosity, although i may skip what appears to be a stupid pick where i have done no research and the consensus tells me otherwise with a very strong confidence level, not just a top pick.
i pay absolutely no attention to anybody's picks unless they can make a case for it. i will read ocassionally the match-ups at sportsnetw and there is a fellow at db who can write an interesting resume of the games with a limited amount of words. i enjoy both of those, and that is about the extent of my web research for football, with 98% of it coming from right here. oh, i forgot, for amusement, you can't beat the harmon forecast, who will guarantee 75-80% winners, and with a track record to prove it. LOL
do we have fools who follow anyone in the quest for a (COSTLY) freebie or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? absolutely.
i am on record here at both forums as being all over denver and green bay, with a reversal pick on tuesday, from a first impression lean to seattle, to picking oak straight out. that challenge from one of our members, made me do research and reverse myself. so they came in the top 5 at the hilton. ok, it makes me feel good, that is all.
case in point: in the contest, i picked carolina-wk 1 and skipped minny in week 2, both in the hilton top 5, and both heavily favored at our own contest as well.
as far as others coming in to browse here, take a hint from nolan, etc.: i am sure there are some free loaders, but suspect most just want to get a feel for what is going on, much like us regulars who read, post and re-post in the quest for sharpening our skills and picks. say, even russ culver, whom i do not know. before he makes his picks he wants to research, including mj. so what? why should he be chastised for browsing?
i suspect there are many regulars here who have never said a word in the forums. does that make them spies or bad? some people are freaked at the possibility of posting something and being challenged, or even ridiculed, as they perceive it.
does the fact that you may have a service which you don't tout, prevent you from being here and having an exchange with others?
i will say it again: the fact that any known person or service click on to mj with a certain frequency is a tribute to mj and all those who contribute here.
as far as hilton guys, i doubt it. there is too little info posted here before the deadline. with the exception of some of nolan's "early releases" and some posts by myself. anyone who wants to correct me, go ahead, i don't keep tabs on everyone.
btw, there are some cliches that may be repeated by more than one person without having to "steal" it from others, such as:
they are going in opposite directions.
there is value, there is no value.
right place, right time, or the opposite.
there are also a few people, including here, that will emulate the top 5 hilton picks, or select according to the confidence level. they seem to be doing ok, and as long as it works for them, more power to them. they are looking for money and are finding it there.
i suppose that it boils down to having a tremendous variety of people and approaches to the games. i keep telling jack that he should not worry about what others are doing, and if they frequent mj, well, that is the name of the game, more clicks, and more power to the mj website. the question is, how is mj doing, after having said all this?
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