How can a parent manage to `forget' a child?

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Here in Vegas this happens quite frequently:
Parents forgeting they left their kids in the car and slowing baking them at about 180-200 degrees.
It amazes me how often this happens, and a parent will respond
" I forgot I left him/her in the car"
No charges filed

What stops a parent from doing this on purpose or by throwing the child in a swimming pool? Easy way to "rid" yourself of your children and walk away free.
I don't know what the $%&# !!!
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Ok and I forgot to stop at the red light, flinging some, now lifelesss, body 300 feet.
Now I get charged (example only)

I would like to hear some of your opinions on this....
Are these parents on drugs or what ?

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Saturday, June 30, 2001
Copyright ? Las Vegas Review-Journal

Forgotten baby dies in sweltering car

By J.M. KALIL
REVIEW-JOURNAL

A 6-month-old boy left by his parents in a car for more than five hours Friday died of extreme heat exposure, the second time in six weeks Las Vegas' sweltering desert climate has claimed the life of an infant abandoned in a vehicle.

Police said the parents forgot to drop the boy off at a day care center before they went to work near Interstate 215 and Warm Springs Road about 8 a.m., on what would later be recorded as the hottest day of the year.

By afternoon -- when the parents discovered their son still strapped into a child-safety seat in their employer's parking lot -- efforts at resuscitation were futile, Clark County Fire Department spokesman Steve La-Sky said.

"This is about as bad a call as you can get. It was an extremely disturbing scene," La-Sky said. "There was nothing the parents could do by the time they remembered."

Detectives from Las Vegas police's Abuse and Neglect Detail were still questioning the parents, whose names were not released, and taking statements from co-workers Friday afternoon, but police said the baby's death appeared to be an accident.

"We are humans, and humans make mistakes," said Lt. Tom Monahan.

A recent change in the parents' schedules may have been a deadly factor for the forgotten baby. The parents told police they usually drop the infant off at a day care center and then take their 4-year-old child to another day care center. They told police they took the 4-year-old first on Friday, and then drove to work.

Police and paramedics were called about 1:20 p.m. to URS Corp., an engineering firm at 7115 Amigo St., where both parents work, Sgt. Mike Thompson said. The mother had called her baby's day care center to check on him, then realized she couldn't remember dropping him off there. She ran outside and found her child unresponsive inside the car.

Thompson said URS personnel tried to revive the infant with cardiopulmonary resuscitation before emergency crews arrived.

"The child had been dead for awhile, it appears," La-Sky said. He described the scene inside URS as frantic, and said "a lot of tears were being shed."

Thompson said the child's seat was one designed to face the rear of the vehicle, which may have prevented passersby from noticing the dying baby.

About an hour after the child was pronounced dead and placed inside an ambulance, several people stood outside the business, embracing and comforting one another. The company let employees go home early, La-Sky said.

After police investigators finish their probe, the case will be forwarded to the Clark County District Attorney's office for prosecutors to determine if criminal charges are warranted, Thompson said. An autopsy is scheduled for today.

County prosecutors decided earlier this month not to prosecute Las Vegan Faun Nelson in the death of her 9-month-old son Dallas, who suffered fatal heat exposure May 22 after his mother left him in a sport utility vehicle for about two hours. In 1996, the mother of a 3-month-old Las Vegas girl was not prosecuted after the woman forgot that the baby was in the rear of her car for more than a day.

La-Sky said the temperature inside a white car with dark interior, like the one involved in Friday's incident, can be twice as hot as the temperature is outside. Less than an hour after the baby's discovery, the National Weather Service recorded a high temperature of 108 degrees in Las Vegas.

"Obviously, that's incompatible with a child's life, much less an adult's," La-Sky said.

Pediatric studies show heat stroke can occur in children exposed to 105 degree temperatures for prolonged periods, and that temperatures as low as 110 degrees can be fatal.


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Tuesday, June 05, 2001
Copyright ? Las Vegas Review-Journal

No charges to result from baby left in car
Though mother was negligent, prosecuting her would serve no purpose, authorities say

By GLENN PUIT
REVIEW-JOURNAL

A woman whose baby died of heat exposure after being left in a vehicle will not face criminal charges because her actions were not intentional, Clark County prosecutors have decided.

"It appears to be a horrible accident," Chief Deputy District Attorney Ron Bloxham said Monday of the reason why Las Vegan Faun Nelson will not be charged in the May 22 death of her 9-month-old son, Dallas.

Bloxham said the events leading up to the death -- which included neighbors hearing what might have been the boy's screams for help -- started shortly before noon that day when Nelson drove her Dodge Durango from her home in Las Vegas to her sister's house in the 2400 block of Bahama Point Avenue. Her intent was to drop off Dallas and her other son, Kade Nelson, 23 months, and then go to lunch with a family friend identified by authorities as Lanae Wilson.

Wilson, traveling in a separate vehicle, also had two children with her. According to the memo, the two mothers stopped at a McDonald's restaurant to get the children some food, and then proceeded to Nelson's sister's home to drop off the children.

When they arrived at the home of Nelson's sister, Erin Joilfs, Nelson parked her vehicle in the driveway. As they left the vehicle, Bloxham said, Nelson's toddler ran away from the group, and Nelson retrieved him.

She took the toddler and the food into her sister's house.

"This momentary distraction apparently added to the confusion," Bloxham said.

Nelson and Wilson then left for lunch. While away, as many as three people in the neighborhood where Dallas Nelson was injured might have heard the boy crying, Bloxham said.

Because they did not know exactly what the cries were, those neighbors did not investigate what are now believed to be the baby's screams for help.

"Some described it as what they thought was a wild animal crying," Bloxham said. "They couldn't pinpoint where it was coming from."

Nelson and Wilson returned to the home near Lone Mountain Road and Simmons Street at 2:30 p.m.

"Faun (Nelson) immediately went upstairs to retrieve Dallas and (her toddler) and found that Dallas was not in the house," Bloxham said. "Both Faun (and her sister) ran to the Durango and recovered Dallas."

They immediately called 911 and tried to lower the baby's high temperature. Paramedics arrived, worked on the boy for 20 minutes and then rushed him to University Medical Center.

"The child's temperature at the hospital was reported to be 106 and the child was reported to be having seizures," Bloxham said.

The baby was removed from life support two days later. An autopsy at the county coroner's office determined the baby died from extreme heat exposure, and the death was ruled an accident.

The autopsy showed no prior signs of abuse.

Bloxham said that at the time the baby suffered his injuries, the highest outside temperature was about 99 degrees. A little more than an hour after the baby was pulled from the vehicle, the temperature inside the vehicle was 137 degrees.

"Faun Nelson was extremely distraught and upset throughout," Bloxham said. "(She) has cooperated to the best of her ability with all requests for information."

State law defines child abuse or neglect as intentional physical or mental abuse, and, Bloxham said, by no means were Nelson's acts intentional.

"It is a fluke, tragic accident," Bloxham said.

The prosecutor also said that while Nelson might have engaged in some negligence, prosecuting her would serve no purpose.

"If you were the person that this happened to, you would be devastated and could barely go on with life. ... They will punish themselves more than any court could do," Bloxham said.

The decision not to prosecute falls in line with local and national trends for similar cases.

In 1996, the mother of a 3-month-old Las Vegas girl was not prosecuted after the woman forgot that the baby was in the rear of her car for more than a day.

Nationwide, at least 135 children have died in vehicles because of heat exposure, according to Anora Guard, the director of information for the Boston University School of Public Health. About 25 percent of those deaths are children who climbed into vehicles on their own and could not get out, but most are children accidentally left in vehicles by their parents.

Guard, who has spent several years researching such child fatalities, said she is unaware of a single case such as Nelson's that was prosecuted.

"There have been a few cases where authorities attempted to bring charges and a grand jury failed to indict," Guard said.

Despite extensive news coverage of cases such as Dallas Nelson's, the tragedy of babies being left in cars continues to repeat itself across the country, Guard said.

She believes that increased educational programs combined with new technology -- such as car seats that alert parents when they have failed to remove their child from a vehicle as a car door is being closed -- could dramatically reduce the number of deaths.

Guard said a bill is pending in California that would allow police to cite a parent with the equivalent of a traffic ticket for leaving a child in a car unattended. She said that endeavor might prove to be a good idea and raise public awareness, but a full-fledged felony prosecution of parents such as Nelson makes little sense.

"People get prosecuted for shaken baby syndrome, and babies are still dying from that," she said.



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you are correct i think they should be held more accountable than they are and should get a stiff sentence.what pisses me off even more than that is when a person leaves a dog in the car i love dogs and theres no exuse for that because a dog is always making sure you dont forget them.i cant believe there are people out there with no regard for life.i love this country senor capper but your right there isnt any justice unless you have money
 

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Being a parent, and grandparent. It just makes be sad. I just don't know how anyone can forget something so wonderfull so precious. In a car period. Hot cold whatever.
 

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It seems that this same scenario has been played here in Kentucky at least once a summer the past few years. Granted, this is not the desert Southwest, but it gets hot as Hades in late July and August.

Kids die, pets die. Unexcusable.

I don't hold pets on the same plane as people but I think it's criminal to lock a pet in a hot car to the point where it dies. I would classify that as a misdemeanor, $100 fine.

Children?????? Your own f**king kids!!??!! I would VOTE FOR THE FOLLOWING:

The responsible parent(s) are neutered - immediately. Then they can live with the results. No monetary fines.

It is totally beyond my comprehension how any parent could allow this to happen - there are absolutely no excuses as far as I'm concerned.

I have two daughters who are now 19 and 22. It never crossed my mind, not even once, to leave either of my kids alone at anytime when in public (not until they became adults). If I'm considered over-protective, I plead guilty to that charge. They are both alive and doing very well - and will continue to do so if I have to DIE for them.

I spit on these people who let their children die this way!!!!

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While this would be a real easy way for some scumbag to rid themselves of their kid, I believe almost all of these cases are, sadly, tragic accidents.

It would be quite easy to forget a child in the back of your car if they were sleeping. A few distractions, or a break in the normal routine, and disaster is a moment away.

I know of two instances where co-workers of mine were late for work because they got to work and failed to drop their kids off at the sitter's. Now, what if they didn't notice the children as they were leaving their car? Sometimes we have a million things on our minds, and even though our children should be our primary concern, we are all capable of making a mistake like this. I remember leaving for work one morning, and catching myself at the car door. "Wait a minute......I had my daughter last night!"

Sure enough, I go back upstairs and she's sawing logs! Well, she would not have died from the heat, but it would have been a tough situation to explain.

The only thing I can imagine worse than losing a child, is knowing that you had a hand in their death. I don't think that too many of these deaths are planned by the parents of these poor kids.
 

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i can't imagine leaving your kid(s) in the car for ANY reason for ANY amount of time. not even for 2 minutes while you run into the convenience store for a pack of smokes. inexcusable, period! you can't do that chit in this day and age for ANY reason. not even for '2 minutes'!

i'm sure i've heard of parents being prosecuted for leaving their kids in the car. maybe it's a state to state law or something.

the other thing, someone mentioned, that really bugs me, is NOT having your kid(s) secured in a saftey seat or seat belt. no excuse for that either. take a minute and 'THINK', parents! geez!!
 

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Inexcusable! A few years ago a woman around here did something similar, but she had gone to her boyfriends house. Left the child in the car to die of exposure from the heat while she was inside partying with her boyfriend.

What about the wacko in Texas who drowned all 5 of her kids in the bathtub because she had post partum depression?? What a load of bs that is! Every woman has some degree of postpartum depression as all u guys know who have a woman and children. And to top that story off, her husband is supporting her!!! He must be in on it. I love my wife dearly, but killing your kids is crossing the line a whole lot!!

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one story i remember from a few years back was that a mother was cooking dinner and set her child on the stove. she "forgot" about it while she was setting the table and ending up cooking the poor kid and it died.


and now these two stories... it almost makes a strong case for "procreation permits"
 

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Unfortunately these tragedies happen. Stressed out people get caught up in the moment and simply FORGET. Obviously, in their mindset something else dominated their course. Job, sour relationships, financial, etc. HORRIBLE HEINOUS NEGLECT, but humans make mistakes everyday. Imagine looking at yourself and spouse everyday after this??

In past cases, the authorities would administer voluntary lie detector tests and do a thorough background check before deciding whether to prosecute. Most cases were dropped.
 

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that's a sad story...

very sad...

being a teacher, i see ALOT of crap with parents and kids...parents drop their kids off at school to be baby sat and then let them walk the streets at nite and then when something bad happens to the kid, they plead ignorance.

i dunno, i'm only 26, but what the hell...i think society is going to the dogs when i see kids in grade one sexually abusing one another, spitting in each other's faces..grade 8 kids telling me to "shut up" or "you can't make us do homework..."...and the parents don't even back us up anymore when we catch their kids stealing, or lying or cheating on tests.

quite a sad world we live in.
 

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YYZ Yes I too believe the majority are by accident My point is that it would be extremely easy for a parent to get away with it if done on purpose.

A Mistake ?
I don't think so
Sure everyone makes mistakes like not picking up the beer on your way home from work, but not everyone bakes their kid like a Xmas turkey.
Neglect !!! (involuntary) but neglect in any case.

We all have a million things on our minds but none as important as your own child there is absolutely NO excuse for this "crime"

Something needs to be done quickly about this chit.

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What do you propose gets done about this?

I certainly have no answers. I am more concerned with the assholes who get shitfaced on a nightly basis and drive until they wipe out a person or family for no reason other than they are a self-serving idiot. What gets done about these rejects?

Picked up for drunk driving 7 times? No problem! Drive until you kill someone, and then weep in front of the judge and family of the victim while you beg for forgiveness.

The thing is, you can get away with driving drunk for a lifetime if you are graced. You only need to forget about your child for a moment for something tragic to occure with them.

What about thes kids who choked on those window blinds? Parents sued that company like there was no tomorrow. What the hell were mom and dad doing while junior was killing himself?

A two year old was just killed by an alligator in Florida a couple of weeks ago when he wandered 750 feet from his yard to a lake. What were the parents doing here?

There are probably thousands of "close calls" every day in this country that you will never hear about, and those parents must feel sick just thinking about what could have happened.

Just think of the shit storm you would have with "forgotten" kids if we legalized pot!

But.....that is for another thread.

Aside from society slowing down this "do it faster now" theme we are living in, I don't know what the answer, sir.

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A child in your care dies due to neglect?
Be held accountable
Period.


A two year old was just killed by an alligator in Florida a couple of weeks ago when he wandered 750 feet from his yard to a lake.
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Unsupervised 2 yr old child .....
Caretaker should be held accountable
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What about thes kids who choked on those window blinds?
Or a child finds your gun ? Bang
We all know better but some people don't get a clue.....
You put your child in harms way in both of these cases..
Again the same "hold them accountable"
 

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I have always had a theory that for every three people you meet two of them won't have the brains or common sense of a human but more like the instincts of an animal. If we put all these people away we would have no room for anything else but these prisons or "stupid wards".
 

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finally just got a chance to read this post.this is totally rediculous. don't knopw about the laws down there but trust me if this happened in ny state tose a-holes would be locked up! its the responsibility of the parent on situations like these. and the police say"well were only human,we all make mistakes" that makes me even more pissed off.these paren't should be locked up--PERIOD!
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