How is your 401K and your temperament??

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This past week,although certainly a week to have the weak bail,but this correction was needed....

When you listen to all the whiners and the politicians along with their corporate contributors,everyone is playing the blame game..

Where were all these people in the .com boom of the mid 90S.Analysts were giving the green light to buy and projecting share prices totally out of the norm in opposite relation to their balance sheets and popping champagne as if those times were expected and deserving...

Most of those companies and it has to be said that hype can be equally as damaging as bashing....If the 90s weren't a classic example of total misrepresentation of expectations on corporate governess and analysts as well is the gullible expectations of investors can only be on the present situation the fault of everyone.

Now, I agree the worldCom and Enron along with some others,doesn't excuse the fact that fraudulently cooking the books is above all a breach of trust between corporate and investors,but makes for a very unstable relationship...With that said,investors,of course should be better informed, also need to place a certain responsibility of his/her own judgement...Those .com companies were high flyers without real substance...Take a look at Amazon,here is a company that never turned a profit until recently and was commanding a huge share price and analysts were telling investors it was a good buy at these triple digits.This was nothing more than hyped up share price potential and there are equally as many companies with the same hype and had nothing more than 4 computer screens and an idea....

Remember Aol/TimeWarner merger,well there will be more to come out on this....I'm not suggesting on any corporate malfeasance just the hyping that has now put a cloud over this whole deal...I from the start believed this to be and will go down as one,if not the worst merger ever.

If investors were to do their DD on more than what brokers and the media displays they would come out better informed...Many investors rarely ever look at Sec filings let alone their own 401K plans....Just the other day a group that I do filings research for asked me to look at their 401Ks and not one had ever taken the time to view these documents until this past couple of weeks, because of what the news media brought it to their attention.

These investors assumed that since it was a mutual fund and handled by professionals they expected all is well....What some don't understand with 401K and regular Mutual funds,is these instruments need to be adjusted from time to time as with individual stocks....Most plans allow you to trade within the fund family without penalties...

To give you an example,all these funds that I looked at were very heavy loaded towards technology and many of these funds were not adjusted from the boom of the 90s and took a big hit with some losing 60-70% of the funds value...Now there is little one can do but hold on. For those that were reasonably balanced, I made recommendations to increase their technology funds and move towards more midcap companies....

If you are in your middle age,income is not a factor right now for your fund, but with technology at it's lowest point and midcaps being the next wave of potential winners, makes these two areas of greater return on your investment..

The above two funds mentioned took the biggest hits and if the investor were to have move these funds over to a more conservative fund like treasury or municipal bonds would have faired far better....Now the tables are turning and and this funds,although are conservative and worth holding,but should not be the biggest % in your portfolio....Lets look at Municipal Bonds.Most states are moving into negative balance sheets and that makes these bonds unattractive since they will probably be downgraded a few notches depending on many factors,but never the less based on overall receipts taken in and what is left if any for maintaining and growth....One area if you have this fund is "Reits",these are tied to Real Estate mortgage rates and are extremely attractive since interest rates are very low..These are conservative funds and carry income yields,but they have their drawbacks and funds need to be adjusted pertaining to the relevant times.These two type of funds should be in every portfolio,but depending on your age is the requirement on how large of a degree each fund makes up the overall portfolio.If your retired,move more into income and conservative,if your middle age,have it well rounded into aggressive and growth oriented funds...

Precious metals funds are ok,but should be the smallest holding in any one fund....Here again you will have faired ok if moving around,but for the sake of having no inflation this should just not be touched or even considered....

We didn't hear much complaining because investors were making lots of money in the 90S.The media did not complain ,because their audience would have turned them off if they did. Politicians did not say anything because they did not want to turn off their constituents, nor did they want to disrupt the contributions the companies that financed their election campaigns.

And so,there was no complaining while the bubble grew larger and all these companies were enjoying shareholders support without real substance backing up their balance sheets.

I can remember through online stock discussions forums like Raging Bull and seeing all the high fives and kudos congrats that was going on among investors. Here on occasion, when one person would question the company on it's figures or other pertinent negative factors or why this or that. They would be called all sorts of names,berated for the notion that they should question the company of what so many had placed their monies in.Of course all the longs were never in real discussion other then things are just fine and we will certainly make it because it is the future..As usual, the skeptics said nothing.

The market went up too high and then suffered the serious downturn that we find ourselves in because of the greed of investors. It is not the government's fault, or that of the SEC regulators. Corporate executives now being brought to the skids were pushed into by the very share holders that now want their hides. But investors refuse to take any of the blame, instead they just complain.When things were fine all is well, now we are in the eye of a hurricane and it's everybody else's fault.

The stock market is still the greatest market place for individual investors to make an incredible amount of money,but you have to apply common sense and due diligence....No,it isn't right when corporations cook the books or give a false sense that everything is just fine.When our corporate leaders do undermine their ethical standards and defraud investors,then the strong arm of the law should come in and hand out "don't get out of jail cards"

In closing,if any of you were real investors you would spend the next couple of days figuring out which companies you would want to own.Don't take this decline in the markets as this is a bad place to put money,but with the economy still strong, makes this a great and as with every Bear Market, ripe towards a far greater financial reward...

This decline is fine and weeds out the weak,corrupt and have stood on notice that corporate books will be again the focus,"that what you read will better be able to comprehend with legitimacy".Look for a healthy comeback and much stronger market.


Have a good day.

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Equity Trader, Just interested in your opinion on Annuities? I have managed to keep my portfolio scattered and Annuities was one option I haven't heard much about.
P.S.- I worked for a Company that went to a Cash-Balance plan in 1995. W/ boom in full swing most did not diversify, went Tech heavy after the returns and got caught in the decline. Fortunately a lot of my friends were young so at least they can recover.
 

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Bush is out like his dad after 4 years if he does not crank it up. He's in charge. Ride the SP 500 index back up. If we get a turn around it will start there. Nasdaq is dead for at least another year. One them talking face said almost year ago. Bottom will come at 7500. I never would have believe him. I do now.
 

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If crooked CEO's lived 100 years ago they would be hangin' from a tree.

Those motherfvckers should be on a chain gang beatin' rocks.

How in hades are they allowed to keep there ASSets while they fvcked ma and pa shareholder up the ASS?
 

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I agree,Slim,my temperment would be alot better if some of these executives would be behind bars.Being arrested for doing illegal activities should not depend on your assets.
 

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The bubble that was created in the late 90's appears to have busted, and I personally believe that ithe market is simply correcting itself from all the hype and attention it received a few years back. I STILL think we'll see a 6500 Dow and a 900 Naz before the end of 2002.

Couldn't agree more with your analysis regarding the AOL/Time Warner merger. It didn't make sense then, and it damn sure don't make sense today. AOL will continue to be the thorn in the side until both sides realize that these need to be two separate organizations.

Historically, if you're looking at different investment strategies, it's wise to buy large cap companies with low price to earnings ratios. There are a lot of good companies out there that have gotten beat up with the rest of the market. However, investors have become so skiddish(including myself) about buying these stocks due to the poor performance of the market in general. Personally, I just keep puttin' money in my Simple IRA retirement acct. along with some preselected mutual funds from many moons back.

It's gotten to the point that I don't even open my quarterly statements any more b/c it just ruins my entire week. Perhaps all this dollar cost averaging will pay off one of these days, but you can bet your ass it won't be any time in the near future.

Ebbers, Lay, and the rest of the chain gang unfortunately just magnify the problems we are currently experiencing. They destroyed thousands of lives but yet still get to keep the money they basically stole from Mr. and Mrs. Joe Investor. No punishment would be severe enough for these rotten bastids! And on a little sidenote: I would sure LOVE to kick the chit out of that Sullivan kid who USED to be the CFO of WCOM. That $18 million dollar spread he's building in Naples, FL. makes me sick to my stomach.
 

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Annuities is payments to an individual that usually is fixed for a period as in most cases,for the recipient's lifetime and paid out monthly or annually....

Now I know you realize this,so it's just for observation..

The question here you have to ask yourself is, do I need the income and is this monthly or annually...Is this interest from a bond and what type of bond at what interest,or an insurance annuity on a retirement program..

Ok,if you are in retirement presently than by all means keep the payments coming and enjoy your golf games and leisure lifestyle.

On the other hand if you are still in the work force and have at least 15-20 years before retirement and if these payments are monthly, a roleover into a growth fund would be very attractive and still keeps on giving.But do not dissolve the annuity.

If the annuity payments are annually and the amount is significant and you're still in the work force.Then find a nice roleover investment vehicle and since most of these payments are based on your lifetime,they are also considered a nice protection for any taxes that always seem to pop up....


In all respect these payments are a gift that keeps on giving and to make irrational judgements as to what one does is based on current necessities and individual point in life and lifestyle....


Have a good day....

ET
 

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Yes the bubble did pop ,but the biggest pop actually came from all the accounting irregularities and corruption that stemed from the likes of WorldCom and Eron types.....

With the economy showing strong growth and consumers continue to spend as indicated from Walmart 2Q and most recent the consumer price index indicating things are just moving right along..

Now with that said,we are be no means out of the woods and these scandals, what has prevented the bears to go back into hybernation has prolonged the recovery.....

As far as the 6500 Dow and a 900 Naz before the end of 2002,well I have mixed givings on that.However,it is conceivable it can happen for two reasons...First if corporate America comes out with more fraudulent bookkeeping or accounting irregularities, will in no doubt continue to keep investors as you say skiddish.This other is a real problem and that is the ongoing threat of terrorism and the problems in the middle east..

One other area that could present a problem is consumer confidence and if the above analogies do not become evident and with the Christmas season approaching we should come out of this without further major declines in the markets....

I agree,large caps are extremely attractive and a safe long-term haven,but the major shift will be on companies that have market caps of 100-200 million in the technology and bio-tech sector..

Also, dollar cost averaging is very prudent and wise,just make sure you are putting it in the right sectors.

As far as those thieves from Enron and WorldCom,well I'm sure your sentiment to open up a can whoop A$$ is shared by many and the lines will be long.


Thank you for post and have a good day.

ET
 

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Ouch

Ouch

I remember in the mid and late 90's when the Nasdaq was over 5 thousand points. Now look at it. I've worked for the same company, National Semiconductor, (NSM on your ticker) since '95 and I've seen go anywhere from $7 dollars a share to $84+. And just recently a few weeks ago, Mr. Joseph, an analyst from Saloman downgraded our stock from 35 to 25 a share. I watched on a Tuesday a few weeks ago my stock took a nose dive from 27 to 22 in one day!!!! And actually, my 401K has only a small portion of it in company stock, the rest is diversified, so if the company takes a stumble, I will not lose that much. I watched on Nightline last night how much money has been lost in the last couple of weeks, somewhere over 7 trillion dollars of a 17 trillion dollar market. They compared it to if companies were around when Christ was born and lost a thousand dollars a day up to date, it would take another thousand years to equal the amount lost. Wow!!!! That's a lot of rice. Anyway, I think it's just leveling itself out from the fattening and oversaturated hoards of capital made in the 90's. In my opinion, now is the time to bargain shop in the market. Best of luck to everyone who has a 401K and/or dabbles in the market.
 

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Excellent points Gentleman.

I have started putting in money in RRSP (Registered Retirement Savings Plan) which is sort of the equivalent of 401K in Canada.
I am conservative with my RRSP and have lots of time (40+) years
to retire (if retirement is at 65) so waitin out. Am not conservative on my own but because of all the fraud prevailing in the industry right now which is sure to affect the market. Better to sit out for a while.

I have a RRSP plan with my company also and contribute 4% of my income to it and the company matches 4%. They have hired experts to put the money in mutual funds and it has not been fun watching the money go down faster than the gravitational force that Newton thought of.

Last year I had money mostly in : Small Cap Companies Funds.
Natural Resources and Income Trusts along with one Large Cap Fund and one World Growth Fund.

Now have changed my portfolio to the following :
Income Trust 25 %
Candian Bond 20 %
Global Bond 10 %
Small Cap 20 %
Natural Resources 10 %
World Growth 10 %
Large Cap Canadian 5%

* The bonds invest in bonds of provinces or govt. bonds. No
Public Company bonds

I think the market is going to go down even further.
When the market was up and things looked rosy no one paid a thought to accounting malpractices. Now with the revenues drying up Qs are popping up starting with CEO compensation and leading on to fraud.

The maket may still go up short term but I think for next while it will stay down.

Am taking the safer route of course after seeing a lot of my friends money dissapear into thin air. If I wanna take risks will do it outside the RRSP. At least then can have capital loss and claim if when i make money as capital gain later on sometime.

Cheers !!!
Spock
 

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Spock as young as you are you need to be in more growth areas. In 40 years you will see these swings we are haveing now at least 4 or 5 times. By cost averaging you win. But right ow when things are so low.Yes they may go just a little lower it's time to get that growth going. Im 60 years old and still have 50% of my 401 in growth. Mind you im not saying use just the nasdaq. Look for some growth funds you feel are good and don't wait to start when your 40.
 

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djv

thanx for the reply.

Actually I am just sitting out because

a. The market keeps on going down.
b. The difference in tax system.

The money that is put into rrsp we save tax on that right now. Tax is paid when it is withdrawn from the account.

50% of Capital gains are taxable in non-rrsp accounts and interest income is taxed as regular income. If there are capital losses inside RRSP then that loss cannot be claimed against any capital gain.

Actually this info is just for reference. I did have most of my money in growth stocks last year.

Here is my problem.

According to Canadian Govt rules for every RRSP account you may have (ie. you may have multiple RRSP accounts with different institutions) only 30% of the money in the account can be put into funds or stocks which are outside Canada ie. non canadian companies. This restricts one a lot since the big companies in canada are all the same ( the 6 big banks .. other big companies are mostly insurance companies etc .. tech companies like nortel etc are history .. so basically any growth fund u go into they all have the same companies ..

since i do not wanna put most of the money in same large cap canadian companies am waitin on sidelines and am gonna put it into dividend funds (these invest in the same large cap companies actually) ..

Am maximising 18% of my income into RRSP so hopefully its gonna be substantial sometime.

Am going to go into growth and dividend stocks with some into income trust , small companies etc.

Meanwhile waitin on the sidelines. All the redemptions also hurting the mutual fund industry in Canada and i am sure in USA.

All suggestions welcome.

Cheers !!!
Spock
 

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I don't sweat it, because I have almost 20 years to go, before I retire. I don't even watch the market that closely.
 

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no sweatin .. just takin care of the principle .. :D

sweatin due to the hot weather and the girls here .. :rolleyes:
 

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Girls im 60 but not dead. Spock you got girls that make you sweat I should come and visit. Sounds like you got the right idea. And yes what ever way you decide to invest. May it bring you good furtune.;)
 

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With the economy showing strong growth and consumers continue to spend as indicated from Walmart 2Q

I think Walmart was in a unique situation last quarter. A good chunk of their increased sales came by way of Kmarts being closed around the country. I'm certain Walmart benefited from this immensly. Also, with a lot of Kmart stores deciding whether to close or stay open, a good chunk of people have filtered on over to Walmart. One reason is b/c the lack of inventory and reordering product. Prime example is the Kmart in my town. Their shelves are nearly bare but yet they continue to stay open. I'd bet they are having some credit issues with some of their manufacturers, and I personally got tired of going back to their stores and realizing they hadn't reordered what I was looking for.

There have also been quite a few Rite Aids closing, which I'm certain helped Walmart's pharmacy figures. Personally, I wish every Walmart in the United States would be burned to the ground. They have really had an impact on our small community in the form of small business closings. Their response is the usual arguement in the fact that they create so many other jobs for particular communities. BUT, if you've ever talked to someone that has been employed at a Walmart, they'll tell you it's a real chitty place to work and the pay sucks.
 

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I'm sure there was a great deal of spill over into walmart because of the demise of Kmart and other local retailers that are unable to compete...

With Kmart and it's problems stem from the fact they were unable to upgrade their stores,which most are in depressed areas because of their fifties era.When the migration to the suburbs began,Kmart couldn't keep pace and lacked the improvement capital on existing locations.Also they were or it seems that any programs they instituted, were either late compared to their competitors or outdated.Their blue light special program is just one of their many failures...Martha Stewert being their really only success and now,that may be in doubt,pending her problems from a questionable stock sale and her company Omnimedia is also taking a hit.

But in all, I would agree that Walmart,although is basicaly a decent place to shop,no doubt has taken down many community shopping areas and turned them into boarded up depressed eyesores..Yeah I heard that too,that being employed there is not a great place to work...I understand that a full time employee works 7 days a week,but only 40 hrs in a week billing cycle,but still on 8 hours a day....Example:The pay week ends after 40 hrs. is completed and then the next beginning hrs. start on the new 40 hr. week cycle.So in this case, your first day on the 40 hrs is Sunday and this cycle ends on Thursday,then Friday and Saturday is on next week's 40 hr cycle.All this BS for $5.25 an hour...Screwed up ask me.Their prescription drugs is a real benefit and local pharmacy's just can't compete on that..

On the retail sales front,is mainly the Consumer Price Index that remains strong and now with the Christmas season coming near and hopefully the recent slight negative report of Consumer Confidence Index won't continue to slide...We should be able to weather this storm out without a real negative impact...If your thinking about buying a car, now again they are introducing 0% interest and this should be a big plus....

Have a good day...
 

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So what's up with Martha Stewart? Her earnings are coming in a little short this quarter.
Should she be locked up? I think so if it's proven she was doing some insider trading. Don't think it'll happen though.
I remember a few years ago when her house employee said she refused to pay him for working on a sunday. She said he didn't work. Then he produced a note that she wrote for him to walk her dogs and then give them a bath.
Her and Leona Hemsley must have gone to the same school for sleeze.

friggin bitch-
 
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