That being said....I don't think that Carolina can stop Seattle from scoring. If Chicago and Rex Grossman can score 21 on a healthy Panther team, Seattle should beat them like a drum. This Carolina defense is hurting right now and you don't want to face Seattle's offense with anything less than your #1 unit. This defense here in Seattle is very under-rated....they bend but don't give many TD's and they are always after the QB. With Foster out of the game I doubt that we are going see many five step drops from Jake Delhomme so that Smith can get open ....he's just not going to have any time to throw the ball. Carolina just won three road games in a row against rookie QB's .....Simms, Manning, and Grossman. All that they had to do was load the box and shut down the run ....making the rookie beat them and it worked every time. This won't work against the Hawks......I've said this before and I'll say it again. There are way to many offensive weapons here and I don't think that Carolina can stop them.
I hate the fact that the Hawks are playing Carolina next....
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Killian said:
Out of the bottom 7 teams for points allowed, Seattle played them NINE TIMES!
In the remaining 7 games they scored;
14 @ Jax
21 @ Atl (hardly a defensive brick wall either!!...11th most yards allowed)
17 @ Wash
13 v. Dallas
24 v. Giants (9th most yards allowed!)
& 28 v. Indi, 17 @ GB in the 2 'meaningless' games.
20 v. Washington.
Washington and Panther pass D's are almost identical in numbers...Carolina run D is significantly better.
I don't agree that the Seattle offense is anything special at all...certainly nowhere near as good as their 'numbers' suggest.
Panther D hurting or not, I don't think Seattle can top 20 this week.
lest anyone forget that the mighty carolina D gave up plenty of point to a putrid chicago offense Everyone is giving Carolina the reach around here, but with a healthy Alexander in the backfield I think panthers gamblers may be in for a wakeup this weekend. I predict Hasselbeck shreds them.
health Alexander? The man will be in the game but he's not bouncing back from a concussion and running for a ton of yards. I'm not totally convinced about Seattle because look what Christo pointed out to us, nice Christo. Now don't get me wrong, I think this O is good that Seattle has but don't think there just gonna run over a team like Carolina. This Carolina team is so much like the Super Bowl one it's scary, and from what I've read from a few guys on this site, Foster is needed, but his replacement can hold his own--
either way, whoever wins, they'll be playing Ben Roethlesburger and the STEELERS
either way, whoever wins, they'll be playing Ben Roethlesburger and the STEELERS
After watching Seattle this past weekend. Nothing was impressive.
Granted it was raining...but still...Should be a good game either way.
Granted it was raining...but still...Should be a good game either way.
seattle didnt impress me a whole lot vs washington. I disagree that delhomme won't have time to throw. Their OL gave him time to throw vs the Bears front four and I'd say they are superior to the Seahawks defensive line. If Seattle wants to send more blitzers, Panterhs are too well coached and Delhomme will find the hot read. GL
The fact still remains that Chicago scored on this Panther team, something that wasn't supposed to happen. If Chicago can score 21 then logic dicates that Seattle will score more. I think that by the end of the day Seattle gets the win here and Carolina is sent packing just like every other team that has come in here.
Another thing.....Seattle put the ball on the ground 5 times and lost three of those fumbles. Totally out of character for this team, it won't happen again. They also lost Alexander on the second series of the game.........Bottom line....Washington should have won the game. They didn't. Carolina will come in and find this team ready and Matt Hasselback shreading the Panther defense, they won't find a rookie here to exploit.
carolina wasn't suppose to score on the bears' top defense in the NFC either....bears defense vs seahawks?...please
We would rather have played the Bears but we'll destroy the Panthers instead. Mark my words....Seahawks win this game and move on to face Denver in the SB.
...and Carolina wasn't supposed to score 29 on the Bears either and that seemed to happen! I still don't know which way to go but the more I think about it the OVER looks very good--
Killian said:
Good thing then that what should 'logically' happen next week, generally doesn't...
...Or Seattle allowing San Fran to score 25 wouldn't bode well...or a struggling 28-24 win over a terrible Tennessee would wave the red flag!...
...and speaking of that Titans' game...If you look at the schedule, Seattle have NOT played a 'good' team since the Giants in wk. 12!!
For 6 weeks they have faced, a decemated Philli, SF, Tenn, a reserve Indi team, GB and a beaten up Washington.
And, as someone (sorry, can't think who!) pointed out last week, Alexander has 2 TD's all season against winning teams.
I'm not saying Seattle won't win, but again, they are far from the team that their numbers suggest.
Good luck either way, I'll probably be on the under.
seahags
seahags
nothing personal here, but sea only scored 20 against wash - caro is as good as wash on def and they are certainly better than wash on off. i like seattle and i really admire hassleback's decision making. however, who on that sea team scares you besides jurevicios (sp.) ? alexander fumbled on one carry last week and took a concussion on the other. he has proven nothing in the playoffs ever. he is soft. - i will retract this statement if he proves me wrong this weekend.
wash off was pitiful. 1 rec and a hurt rb. the panthers have 1 great rec and an inactive stater, so their will be less to cover this week w/o foster. that being said, caro will move smith all over the place to get him the ball. delhomme is much better than a brunnel with a gimpy knee and delhomme will find mangum,goings,carter and possibly colbert. none of those names are scary either, but the point is that they will be used.
sea should win. they are healthier, at home, and have more weapons (given alexander has a good game). but this is the 1st time sea has ever been this far, they typically choke, and nothing can be taken for granted.
should be a great game. caro did show weakness against the bears passing attack. they were selling out against the run and playing a ton of man coverage. sea should get the same looks and hassleback should be able to take advantage. the sea attack should be potent if all of its players show up. jackson is another one - great potential but not terribly consistent in the past playoffs. this is a big test for seattle - it is their chance to prove that they are for real and the year's of playoff disappointments are behind them.
i am not sure which side i am on yet. gl either way.
seahags
nothing personal here, but sea only scored 20 against wash - caro is as good as wash on def and they are certainly better than wash on off. i like seattle and i really admire hassleback's decision making. however, who on that sea team scares you besides jurevicios (sp.) ? alexander fumbled on one carry last week and took a concussion on the other. he has proven nothing in the playoffs ever. he is soft. - i will retract this statement if he proves me wrong this weekend.
wash off was pitiful. 1 rec and a hurt rb. the panthers have 1 great rec and an inactive stater, so their will be less to cover this week w/o foster. that being said, caro will move smith all over the place to get him the ball. delhomme is much better than a brunnel with a gimpy knee and delhomme will find mangum,goings,carter and possibly colbert. none of those names are scary either, but the point is that they will be used.
sea should win. they are healthier, at home, and have more weapons (given alexander has a good game). but this is the 1st time sea has ever been this far, they typically choke, and nothing can be taken for granted.
should be a great game. caro did show weakness against the bears passing attack. they were selling out against the run and playing a ton of man coverage. sea should get the same looks and hassleback should be able to take advantage. the sea attack should be potent if all of its players show up. jackson is another one - great potential but not terribly consistent in the past playoffs. this is a big test for seattle - it is their chance to prove that they are for real and the year's of playoff disappointments are behind them.
i am not sure which side i am on yet. gl either way.
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ELVIS said:
This fact should NOT be underestimated by anyone. This is one of the biggest reasons I'm on Carolina this weekend. Carolina has been here before, just a few years ago in fact, and Seattle hasn't been to the Championship game since 1984. Furthermore, they have NEVER been to a SB. Guys, I live in Seattle and I can tell you that the amount of pressure on these guys is unreal. Everywhere you go right now, it's Seahawks this and Seahawks that. Just a hunch, but I really think Seattle will play tight, trying not to screw up, and Carolina will let it all hang out.
well Glenn, we finally ****ing agree on something. Nothin against you Killen but take a peak, first, I'm willing to bet, that you bet, on N.Y. to beat Carloina, not saying you did, just what I think. Why do I think that? Because of all the options that the Giants had on O
1. Tiki
2. Shockey
3. Plaxico
and there's a few more
Seattle's options
1. Alexander
2. Jurevicious
3. Engram or whichever reciever you would like to use
this looks kinda similar
anyway, my point is, that you think this team will run over them and they have seemed to **** the Giants right in the ass, and make the Bears look like the team that we all thought they were.
Defense-
Seattle- ypg giving up 316
Giants ypg ----------- 327
Seattle - 3rd down % 38 (giving up)
Giants - 3rd down % 39
Seattle - 4th down % 63
Giants - 4th down % 50
These are just a few of the stats and I'll provide more, but they look very similar and Seattle played
Cardinals twice, 49ers twice, Texans once, Titans once, and G.B. once. What do all of these teams have in common---well, I think you know the answer to that.
Seattle knows Carolina is better than Washington and will play much better against them than they did last week.anyone remember the Eagles game when all the geniuses here said the Eagles needed the game,Seattle played a sh*t schedule,take the points.Carolina is way better,but the principle is the same.Teams know the quality of competition they're playing.Seattle will play very well this week and beat Carolina,probably by at least the original 6 point spread.all losing betters will convince themselves it was just luck somehow,and that they were losers,but "on the right side"(I just love that statement,among the stupidest in sports haqndicapping.Losing a play means you were on the wrong side!)Someone should check the amount of times a playoff game moved 3-4 points off the original line to see how often the money was right,it'll be about once out of 4 times.EVERYONE relys on that weak schedule thing,not beating NYG or Dallas by the spread doesn't mean a thing.Where are they now?
Seahawks are the Panthers BEOTCH this week, like the Bears were last week. To talk about the Seattle offense as if they were the second coming is silly.
One way the Seahawks win this game and ONE WAY ONLY Guys...
TURNOVERS.
Carolina takes care of the ball, and the Hawks will be in 6 inch platforms on the corner, reaching in their blouses, as their Pimp Daddy (Steve Smith) collects the cash.
BE LIKE STEVE... POUND THE PANTHERS on the ALTERNATE LINE, LAYING POINTS and on the ML.
Vegas HAD to lay points because Hawks are the one seed.
Hawks HAD to be the one seed due to a soft schedule.
I HAD to grab the 4.5, +175 the MINUTE it opened up.
But hey, what the F do I know....
GL2A......
One way the Seahawks win this game and ONE WAY ONLY Guys...
TURNOVERS.
Carolina takes care of the ball, and the Hawks will be in 6 inch platforms on the corner, reaching in their blouses, as their Pimp Daddy (Steve Smith) collects the cash.
BE LIKE STEVE... POUND THE PANTHERS on the ALTERNATE LINE, LAYING POINTS and on the ML.
Vegas HAD to lay points because Hawks are the one seed.
Hawks HAD to be the one seed due to a soft schedule.
I HAD to grab the 4.5, +175 the MINUTE it opened up.
But hey, what the F do I know....
GL2A......
Well it's to bad you were looking at the wrong book....... the line opened at -5.5 @ BetJamaica. These lines are set for a reason and I doubt that it's because a team is a #1 seed.....do you really think that the Seahawks are favored because of this reason? Oh well, it doesn't matter.....Carolina will score and Smith will get his catches but Seattle will just score more. That's my take.
Respect your opinion, but lines in big games like this move from WISEGUY $$, not little man $. It's obvious from the line move the sharps are on the Cats. The first sharps the offshores called Sunday night grabbed the 6, 5.5, 5, 4.5, 4, etc. faster than the books could adjust. The public has followed with 64% of the wagers (not the $) on the Cats as well. Not saying I bet the sharp $ always, lest I be drinking coladas on Maui right now instead of typing, but this misconception as well that the public is "always" wrong and should be faded is wronger still (sidebar-i know it's not a real word, wronger). The public, in all sports, over all, hits about 50%. I love to see some of these threads solely devoted to "Fading the public". Was with Statfox for a long time, and at the bottom of each matchup is the publics success/failure backing a team or total. On average it was always within 1-2 points of 50%.
Regardless, Seattle is certainly worthy to be playing in this game as are the Cats. I think the Cats are more talented, STILL underated (hell, their the dog), better coached, deeper, and far superior skill superstars ie: Peppers, Smith, Lucas, etc. vs. Alexander. Jurevisciuos is a good player NOT great, as is Hasselback. And notice I didn't include Delhomme in the Panthers Superstars but he is a 5-1 playoff Winner like Brady and REALLY rises to the occasion. Look back to the 03 SB when his ass was getting kicked all 1st half, to the adjustments made for the 2nd half.
The Hawks have the #25 pass D in the NFL. And everyone is thinking "they'll probably not go to Smith as much since everyones really aware now", then what will they do? Delhomme > Smith early and often. He is and HAS been the real deal for a while. Thinking of him makes me laugh about all the TO talk earlier in the year, HA HA. I hope the Falcons pick him up so Minter can decapitate him twice a year while Lucas and McCree pick his pocket all day, but that's for another column. Hawks scared to death of him (Smith) for good reason. As well, remember Peppers scored an uncounted TD last week that was silly.
All in all, Hawks are good, Panthers are better and VALUE and Sharps lie with the Cats....
GL2A, ance again though, as I said earlier, WTFDIK???
Regardless, Seattle is certainly worthy to be playing in this game as are the Cats. I think the Cats are more talented, STILL underated (hell, their the dog), better coached, deeper, and far superior skill superstars ie: Peppers, Smith, Lucas, etc. vs. Alexander. Jurevisciuos is a good player NOT great, as is Hasselback. And notice I didn't include Delhomme in the Panthers Superstars but he is a 5-1 playoff Winner like Brady and REALLY rises to the occasion. Look back to the 03 SB when his ass was getting kicked all 1st half, to the adjustments made for the 2nd half.
The Hawks have the #25 pass D in the NFL. And everyone is thinking "they'll probably not go to Smith as much since everyones really aware now", then what will they do? Delhomme > Smith early and often. He is and HAS been the real deal for a while. Thinking of him makes me laugh about all the TO talk earlier in the year, HA HA. I hope the Falcons pick him up so Minter can decapitate him twice a year while Lucas and McCree pick his pocket all day, but that's for another column. Hawks scared to death of him (Smith) for good reason. As well, remember Peppers scored an uncounted TD last week that was silly.
All in all, Hawks are good, Panthers are better and VALUE and Sharps lie with the Cats....
GL2A, ance again though, as I said earlier, WTFDIK???
