If We Drill in the US, We Don't Get the Oil

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Another way to look at the oil drilling debate...

If We Drill in the US, We Don't Get the Oil
Posted July 23, 2008 | 12:20 PM (EST)
- Cenk Uyger

One thing has been driving me crazy about this drilling debate -- everyone seems to assume that if we drill for oil in the US, that we will get the oil. And hence, we won't be dependent on foreign oil anymore. But we won't get anything, Exxon-Mobil will.

The oil that comes from that drilling will not be United States property (Republicans aren't suggesting we nationalize the oil companies, are they?). It will be the property of whichever oil company got the rights to that contract. They can then sell it to whoever they like -- and they will. They will sell it on the world market, so the Chinese will have just as much access to the oil that comes out of the coast of Florida as we will.

The Democrats have done a decent job of beating back the argument that this will effect prices in the short run, or even in the long run. But no one has addressed the point above. The Republicans make it seem like we won't be dependent on foreign oil -- and that prices will go down in the US -- if we have our own oil. But it won't be ours. And it will be sold on the world market, so its effect on global oil prices will be even smaller.

When we ask the question of whether there should be drilling off the coast of Florida or in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, we should ask the question this way -- would you be comfortable with the Chinese or the Germans or Russians or the Saudis drilling on American land? Because for all intents and purposes, they will be.

Large multi-national firms like Exxon-Mobil are not US property. They sell to the world and their allegiance is to corporate profits. So, when they drill, they drill for the whole world, not just us. Some might find that heart-warming, but it certainly has nothing to do with the US having more oil or lower prices.
 

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Another way to look at the oil drilling debate...

If We Drill in the US, We Don't Get the Oil
Posted July 23, 2008 | 12:20 PM (EST)
- Cenk Uyger

One thing has been driving me crazy about this drilling debate -- everyone seems to assume that if we drill for oil in the US, that we will get the oil. And hence, we won't be dependent on foreign oil anymore. But we won't get anything, Exxon-Mobil will.

The oil that comes from that drilling will not be United States property (Republicans aren't suggesting we nationalize the oil companies, are they?). It will be the property of whichever oil company got the rights to that contract. They can then sell it to whoever they like -- and they will. They will sell it on the world market, so the Chinese will have just as much access to the oil that comes out of the coast of Florida as we will.

The Democrats have done a decent job of beating back the argument that this will effect prices in the short run, or even in the long run. But no one has addressed the point above. The Republicans make it seem like we won't be dependent on foreign oil -- and that prices will go down in the US -- if we have our own oil. But it won't be ours. And it will be sold on the world market, so its effect on global oil prices will be even smaller.

When we ask the question of whether there should be drilling off the coast of Florida or in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, we should ask the question this way -- would you be comfortable with the Chinese or the Germans or Russians or the Saudis drilling on American land? Because for all intents and purposes, they will be.

Large multi-national firms like Exxon-Mobil are not US property. They sell to the world and their allegiance is to corporate profits. So, when they drill, they drill for the whole world, not just us. Some might find that heart-warming, but it certainly has nothing to do with the US having more oil or lower prices.

This should be good. :0corn
 

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I been saying this for years. Half of what come from off our shores, Even the oil that comes from Alaska right now. 40% goes else ware then here. And we can drill till we get it all and that would be about 5%. And we can't do anything faster with it because there is no way to process it any faster.
Price affected per gallon was estimated 6 cents. Thats why all other forms of energy needs big push. DRiLL/DRILL is just old thinking like T said.
 

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When you have a bunch of gullible shills in this country who buy the supply and demand garbage, you can basically get away with anything you want. Recently on Larry King an oil executive couldn't promise (when pushed after dodging the question three times) if he was allowed to drill in Alaska, then the oil would stay here at home. Its just stunning that people fall for this bullshit over and over again. And like the true foresight that I have I said wait until a little before the election to get some relief's and guess what is happening? The prices are suddenly coming down. It doesn't matter tho the easily conned will remained easily conned and the rest of the country will have to suffer because of these clowns. Its simple and we have been Enron once again. 3.91 today after 4.07 two weeks ago. Weasel say's its because of Bush's message about drilling.:mj07: Ya got to love it. Fool me once shame on me. Fool me repeatedly I'm a gullible naive jackass.
 

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So you think adding to WORLD supply has no effect?

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Of course I didn't say that, but I'd expect no nuanced response from you, so no big loss. I have come out in other threads supporting drilling in ANWAR (from what I know about it) and more than 50 miles offshore, so you can pick all yourselves up off the floor and deal with the debate, if you care to.

I just thought this was an interesting sideline to the conservative response - the only thing they (and you) continue to really stand behind to stop this mess we're in is to drill. This is a true thought, that the only folks who will REALLY benefit from drilling are the drillers, to any real degree.

Man, it is good having Manson and Spibble Spab back in the forums, tho, that's for should.
 

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"One thing has been driving me crazy about this drilling debate -- everyone seems to assume that if we drill for oil in the US, that we will get the oil. And hence, we won't be dependent on foreign oil anymore. But we won't get anything, Exxon-Mobil will.

The oil that comes from that drilling will not be United States property (Republicans aren't suggesting we nationalize the oil companies, are they?). It will be the property of whichever oil company got the rights to that contract. "


is this logic as as bizarre as it sounds?....

cenk uyger?....who`s he write for?....pravda?
 

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Sponge you can talk till you'er blue in the face and never wise up a sucker.They bought this dog and pony show and turned around and bought it again in 2004. I for one will never believe that Bush won either election. When you can tell the lies that this SOB Bush has told and the suckers that come back with ; what about clinton and the blow job,it just goes to show you that they (the suckers) don't care about the truth, there is a thousand things wrong in this fuxked up administration and GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY are public enemy number one.The price of gas is easy to figure out,this administration started with cheney making policy with oil buddies in secret then they did all they could to devalue the dollar.Why would you want to drill for oil here when oil will someday be worth 3-4-even 500 a barrel.My GOD man we don't want to use up our supply the sharps (neo-cons) know we will need this oil to fight the big war thats coming over world domination.OBAMA can't stop whats happening.The new world order is coming , faster than I Imagined.BUSH played his part well OBAMA will play his part (if elected).Their just pawns in a giant chess game.The true power lays in the hands of the money changers.The fuxking banks World bank,central banks and the FED. We all know that money is the root of all evil.Just take some away from a certain group on this forum and they will surely blame Carter or Clinton.Complete fools.Debt Slavery,why you can't see it is beyond me.
 
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When you have a bunch of gullible shills in this country who buy the supply and demand garbage, you can basically get away with anything you want. Recently on Larry King an oil executive couldn't promise (when pushed after dodging the question three times) if he was allowed to drill in Alaska, then the oil would stay here at home. Its just stunning that people fall for this bullshit over and over again. And like the true foresight that I have I said wait until a little before the election to get some relief's and guess what is happening? The prices are suddenly coming down. It doesn't matter tho the easily conned will remained easily conned and the rest of the country will have to suffer because of these clowns. Its simple and we have been Enron once again. 3.91 today after 4.07 two weeks ago. Weasel say's its because of Bush's message about drilling.:mj07: Ya got to love it. Fool me once shame on me. Fool me repeatedly I'm a gullible naive jackass.


it`s a business!!!...last time i looked this isn`t the pre cold war eastern bloc or venezuela....

you don`t take things from people or companies(unless you`re the libs on the supreme court using eminant domain)...

the oil companies do the work...they get the profit....and anybody that doesn`t think that the u.s. benefits from obtaining our own oil(that means that we won`t need to send billions to country`s that don`t have our best interests at heart),then you`ve got a severe mental impediment...

and yes...mentioning clinton in this discussion is very relevant...he vetoed an entire budget in 95`that opened up federal lands to drilling (i believe) to block the drilling that would have circumvented THIS oil crisis...

now we hear the same shit about "it`ll take ten years"......

it won`t take 10 years...and however long it takes,we`d better get a move on....

btw...there are many dems that would vote to drill in anwar and off shore as we speak....

but,2 excretions named pelosi and reid won`t allow it to come to the floor so congreess can vote on it....

and this is where bush should be castrated...for not screaming this fact from the highest mountain....

yes,the liberal,environmentalist media is running interference for these clowns....but,he`s the president....

he needs to get the message out...75% of the american people want us to drill....and congress has a lower approval rating than bush...

this is why the rEpublicans may well lose in november...they just refuse to go on offense..
 

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Sponge you can talk till you'er blue in the face and never wise up a sucker.They bought this dog and pony show and turned around and bought it again in 2004. I for one will never believe that Bush won either election. When you can tell the lies that this SOB Bush has told and the suckers that come back with ; what about clinton and the blow job,it just goes to show you that they (the suckers) don't care about the truth, there is a thousand things wrong in this fuxked up administration and GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY are public enemy number one.The price of gas is easy to figure out,this administration started with cheney making policy with oil buddies in secret then they did all they could to devalue the dollar.Why would you want to drill for oil here when oil will someday be worth 3-4-even 500 a barrel.My GOD man we don't want to use up our supply the sharps (neo-cons) know we will need this oil to fight the big war thats coming over world domination.OBAMA can't stop whats happening.The new world order is coming , faster than I Imagined.BUSH played his part well OBAMA will play his part.Their just pawns in a giant chess game.The true power lays in the hands of the money changers.We all know that money is the root of all evil.Just take some away from a certain group on this forum and they will surely blame Carter or Clinton.Complete fools

Donny i heard last night that Obama lawyer Cas something is his name, said it is highly unlikely that they will go after Bush for crimes he committed. This has constitutional lawyers furious. The same constitution Bush once called "that god dam piece of paper." Now we have the suckers in here who have already been prep to believe this will be a bad thing for the country going after these criminals. You have Pelosi immediately saying that impeachment was off the table. Jesse Ventura had it correct when he said it is a lot like professional wrestling. They all act like enemies but behind closed doors they are all friends. The sad part is that the democrats are so stupid and actually think that if the shoe was on the other foot they would get the same treatment from the Republicans. I am curious tho how low the oil prices will go. I was wondering if they were gonna just throw McCain out to the wolves.
 

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it`s a business!!!...last time i looked this isn`t the pre cold war eastern bloc or venezuela....

you don`t take things from people or companies(unless you`re the libs on the supreme court using eminant domain)...

the oil companies do the work...they get the profit....and anybody that doesn`t think that the u.s. benefits from obtaining our own oil(that means that we won`t need to send billions to country`s that don`t have our best interests at heart),then you`ve got a severe mental impediment...

and yes...mentioning clinton in this discussion is very relevant...he vetoed an entire budget in 95`that opened up federal lands to drilling (i believe) to block the drilling that would have circumvented THIS oil crisis...

now we hear the same shit about "it`ll take ten years"......

it won`t take 10 years...and however long it takes,we`d better get a move on....

btw...there are many dems that would vote to drill in anwar and off shore as we speak....

but,2 excretions named pelosi and reid won`t allow it to come to the floor so congreess can vote on it....

and this is where bush should be castrated...for not screaming this fact from the highest mountain....

yes,the liberal,environmentalist media is running interference for these clowns....but,he`s the president....

he needs to get the message out...75% of the american people want us to drill....and congress has a lower approval rating than bush...

this is why the rEpublicans may well lose in november...they just refuse to go on offense..

3/03- 1.15/gallon

7/08- 4.00+/gallon

Big f*cking coincidence, huh, Wease?
 

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YES,to the thought that its like a fixed wrestling match.They want hang one of their own.I sometimes get caught up in praying that they all get voted out.This can't happen I never was any good at praying.Dems are just awful, pelosi is a conplete moron to suggest we use the oil reserve.There is a bigger war a coming unless an angel that destroyed the cities in the Bible story just happens to visit wash d.c. (you know that for the sake of 10 it will be spared.)I see no hope for the congress.We will need our oil supply and then some to fight this invisible enemy.McCaine's first command will be attack,attack,attack.Lets just hope he aims in the right direction.I'm afraid that he is an angry man that never got over being a p.o.w.Hell he might attack any nation at any time.A real war monger.No way a person can be locked up and tortured for 5 long years (long years to a cocky piece of shit like him) can be sane.:00hour :00hour
 

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"and yes...mentioning clinton in this discussion is very relevant...he vetoed an entire budget in 95`that opened up federal lands to drilling (i believe) to block the drilling that would have circumvented THIS oil crisis..."

speaking of mental impairment.........

Remind me again of the legislation put forward by the republican controlled congress and Bush from 2000-2006 pushing for more domestic drilling? Remind me again when Bush Jr. repealed his father's ban on increased domestic drilling? It is empty campaign rhetoric put out by the Hannities of the world and lapped up and regurgitated by the weasels of the world.
 

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"and yes...mentioning clinton in this discussion is very relevant...he vetoed an entire budget in 95`that opened up federal lands to drilling (i believe) to block the drilling that would have circumvented THIS oil crisis..."

speaking of mental impairment.........

Remind me again of the legislation put forward by the republican controlled congress and Bush from 2000-2006 pushing for more domestic drilling? Remind me again when Bush Jr. repealed his father's ban on increased domestic drilling? It is empty campaign rhetoric put out by the Hannities of the world and lapped up and regurgitated by the weasels of the world.


What's your deal?

Not gonna make it next week?
 

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No Matt, unfortunately I am going to have to miss it. Too much going on with an out of town wedding this weekend, a must attend company trip on the 8th and other stuff. The wife was not too keen on another trip. I got guilted into having to pass. I know you guys are going to have a blast. Hopefully I can catch the next MJ outing.
 

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Jabber( my good friend) I've been a road hustler for 35 years. I've seen many a game played on suckers.I'm convinced that the jacked up price on oil is just a game that has been played on the sheep that needed shearing.We know some facts why the price is so high.1st the value of the dollar 2nd CHENEY making policy in secret.3rd war and the constant threat of war with Iran that keeps speck high. PLENTY OF OIL.Its all over the place. Also if you can see through the BS you will realize that the real crime is the WAR. You don't hear so much about the war if you can't buy gas or food.MR.BUSH and his cohorts are guilty of WAR CRIMES. Nobody seems to care.If you can tell me what we will win when this war is over please let me in on it.Its a shell game now you see it now you don't.Don't educate the people let 20 million illegals in the country,social security broke and medicaid for the baby boomers also well underfunded.I believe the country is broke.This bunch of crooks in both parties are guilty and history will show that this is the worst of all time but it can get even worst.I don't see it getting any better HOMELAND SECURITY MY ASS.
 

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Amazing the objections the left is coming up with when they see bulk of americans want to drill and there stance will be a negative come November.

1st it was --you have millions of acres leased already--drill on them--but when it was noted most these properties don't have enough oil to make drilling feasible they come up with this slight of hand.

Does Cenk Uyger expect people in U.S. to sell oil on their land at half the price of world oil price?

Free enterprise sets world prices for oil--we buy oil at same price China or others do--where it comes from doesn't make any diff--the crux of matter is factors that establish price of oil. Does supply demand ring any bells.

Will the 1st Dem step forward and tell us if we (or other countries) have more oil it won't deter Opec and others from naming their price.
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and Matt on your--

"3/03- 1.15/gallon

7/08- 4.00+/gallon

Big f*cking coincidence, huh, Wease?"
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What was price of oil during those times--if your going to use coincidences as such lets get time frame a little closer--

Give us your take on this--
before dems controled congress--after the promise :)

Pelosi: ?With Skyrocketing Gas Prices, Americans Can No Longer Afford Rubber Stamp Congress?
Monday, April 24, 2006

Contact: Brendan Daly/Jennifer Crider, 202-226-7616

Washington, D.C. ? House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement today on President Bush?s, Speaker Hastert?s, and the Republican Congress? empty rhetoric on gas prices. Key facts on the Majority's failure to address gas prices follows Pelosi?s statement.

With skyrocketing gas prices, it is clear that the American people can no longer afford the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress and its failure to stand up to Republican big oil and gas company cronies. Americans this week are paying $2.91 a gallon on average for regular gasoline ? 33 cents higher than last month, and double the price than when President Bush first came to office.

?With record gas prices, record CEO pay packages, and record oil company profits, Speaker Hastert and the Majority Congress continue to give the American people empty rhetoric rather than join Democrats who are working to lower gas prices now.

?Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices by cracking down on price gouging, rolling back the billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies, tax breaks and royalty relief given to big oil and gas companies, and increasing production of alternative fuels.?
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fact of the matter dems nor rebs can control price of oil/gas -- other than use less or produce more.
 
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