If you HAD to choose Winston or Mariota, which is it?

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'Neither' is not an option.

I'd take Mariota. I don't think Winston will get any better. Terrible character, will most likely get paid and then struggle and not care about improving. Mariota not as ready for NFL "now", but will more likely improve with time.
 

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'Neither' is not an option.

I'd take Mariota. I don't think Winston will get any better. Terrible character, will most likely get paid and then struggle and not care about improving. Mariota not as ready for NFL "now", but will more likely improve with time.

tricky one...I`d hate to make that decision...all these comparisons of Winston with jamarcus russelll might not be entirely fair....but man,muffing a high first round pick can set a franchise back..

Winston could turn out to be like Russell..or,he could be reminiscent of matt Stafford...mariotta could go the way of jake locker...or maybe become a sort of kaepernick-like player....or,if picked by a team with a solid ground game,become a sort of poor man`s Russell Wilson(only taller)....

obviously,mariotta`s the more solid citizen by far....he could flop by just not "having it"..but it`s doubtful he'll f`up his way out of the league........Winston could "have it" and still find a way to screw himself up,unfortunately...

I`d hate to be qb strapped and have to make that decision...both could flop.....

personally,i wouldn`t mind being in Tennessee`s situation sitting there with mettenberger...and I think given some time,a.j. McCarron might eventually get a shot in cincy ...if Dalton gets injured or can`t make some playoff hay with that uber-talented offense,i can`t think of a better place for a qb to thrive than an established playoff team like cincy.... mettenberger and McCarron remind me a bit of brady(not necessarily ability-wise...but in their style and the way they came into the nfl)...guys not necessarily rated highly in the draft but guys that were competititors and winners in pro-style offenses that have solid, basic pocket passer skillsets...

much rather have spent a 5th or 6th on one of those guys than to take a chance and blow a one on Winston or mariotta....but that`s me....

glad I`m not making that decision...time will tell...

edit...after watching kyle boller and stoney case and numerous other qb dregs in b`more,i understand how important a qb is to a franchise...I`m just not sure I could pull the trigger(in say,the first 10 picks) on either guy....not thrilled with either guy as a top ten pick....maybe a very late 1st or second round pick...

can`t pick.....:shrug:
 
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Winston only because the scouts seem to like his physical ability better. I seen Mariota play a lot and I only seen him throw to wide open receivers. He struggled in the close games and when he faced a team that could defend somewhat he wasn't very good. Ohio St, Arizona, Zona St. I do question Winson's decision making, all in all I think they both will stink but I would take Winston as I think he can be the better pure pocket passer.

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in a one or the other an NFL owner would have to approve the selection of Winston.


He has been trained in the Pro Set...he is closer to the ideal Pro size.

and certainly has a better skill set in the Pro Passing Tree requirements.

As time goes on these spread option QB's will no longer even be given a second thought.

they simply don't possess the skill set in the passing tree to compete at the position.

and at some time they will be crushed broken up and shipped out.

It's big boy football...not read what the green sign on the sideline says and sprint around the outside linebaker who failed to contain..

such a silly premise in a league where 6'5'' men weigh 270 pounds and run like a deer.
 

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I'd take Mariota in a heartbeat, easy decision for me. I think he's more mobile than Winston and has a better skill set. The character issue with Winston seals it for me.

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Can't stand Winston and I really like Marcus but this one isn't close. Winston made throws for the last two years that you just don't see most college QBs make. He also did it when he had to in pressure packed situations. I thought for the last two years when Oregon really needed it Marcus didn't look very good. As far as him being mobile, it means crap to me if he can't throw.
 

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There is a long history in the NFL of QB's who ran spread offenses in college who failed....

So my answer is Winston, but there is a possibility that neither will be successful....
 
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in a one or the other an NFL owner would have to approve the selection of Winston.


He has been trained in the Pro Set...he is closer to the ideal Pro size.

and certainly has a better skill set in the Pro Passing Tree requirements.

As time goes on these spread option QB's will no longer even be given a second thought.

they simply don't possess the skill set in the passing tree to compete at the position.

and at some time they will be crushed broken up and shipped out.

It's big boy football...not read what the green sign on the sideline says and sprint around the outside linebaker who failed to contain..

such a silly premise in a league where 6'5'' men weigh 270 pounds and run like a deer.

Try telling that to Drew Brees (6' 208lbs) and Russell Wilson (5'11" 206lbs).

I'm going with Mariotta.

Here's how ESPN has them measured:
Jameis Winston QB 6'3?" 231 lbs.
Marcus Mariota QB 6'3?" 222 lbs.
 

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Most of the above posts have enumerated the reasons star QBs drop into the second half of the first round so many years. That won't happen this year, but there is a reasonable likelihood that neither of these QBs will improve a team 1/10th as much as the right offensive or defensive lineman.

Must pick one? Has to be Mariota. What are the odds that Winston will keep his nose clean or that the old cases won't come back to bite him in the ass?
 

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?m all for NCAA athletes taking all of the ?extra benefits? they can get, especially football and basketball players at major programs. The schools collude to prevent athletes from earning their true market value so why shouldn?t the athletes look for ways to make some extra cash?

But the first rule about accepting extra benefits is, don?t talk about receiving extra benefits. Ex-Florida State QB Jameis Winston has violated this rule in a major way.

Winston, appearing in an ESPN draft segment Tuesday night that was taped back in February, says he didn?t steal those infamous crab legs last year. Instead, Winston says a Publix employee used to hook him and his friends up with free stuff:

"Well, a week before, it was my buddy's birthday and we had got a cake. And we met a dude that worked inside Publix and he said, 'Hey, anytime you come in here, I got you.' So that day we just walked out and he hooked us up with that. And when I came in to get crab legs, I did the same thing and he just gave them to me and I walked out. And someone from inside the store had told the security that I didn't pay for them. And that's how the whole thing started."

This is actually more believable than the story Winston offered at the time of the incident, that he forgot to pay. I figured Winston copped to shoplifting to avoid the NCAA scrutiny that would surely follow if he admitted to getting free hook-ups at Publix.

Said Winston on ESPN: "How I'm supposed to handle, like, if I just got them for free? I just say, 'I just messed up?'"

I?m not mad at Winston for accepting those free crab legs. The problem for Florida State is that Winston?s hook-ups likely were violations of NCAA rules.

The NCAA defines extra benefits as ?any special arrangement by an institutional employee or a representative of the institutions athletics interest ("booster") to provide a student-athlete (or a student-athlete's relative or friend) a benefit that is not generally available to other students.? The organization considers ?representative of athletics interest? to include not just university employees but alumni, fellow students and fans of the program.

I guess it?s possible the Publix employee hooked up Winston because he just thinks he?s a cool dude but more likely is that he did it because he's a Seminoles fan (or both). The Seminoles could face penalties for secondary NCAA violations if it's determined Winston got extra benefits but it could mean more serious trouble if Winston's buddies who also got hook-ups were FSU athletes.

Again, I don?t blame Winston for cashing in on his status. I just don?t think it?s wise to talk about it. I say that not because I care whether Florida State gets in trouble for the possible violations, but because of the inevitable backlash from Seminoles fans mad at Winston for getting their program in the wringer.

I heard it when salty Georgia fans ridiculed Todd Gurley for cashing in on his name because he ?hurt the program." They don?t see the irony in their expectation that Gurley will be a Damn Good Dog and put the interests of the school above his own at the same time they trash him and defend a system in which he isn't allowed to seek his real market value.

Fans will instantly turn on athletes who don?t live up to their expectations. Schools will find a way to discard them as soon as they have no use for them. But the athletes are supposed to look after the interests of those two selfish groups instead of their own?

Funk that. If athletes can make money by signing autographs or save some money with a crab legs hook-up, go ahead and do it. Just don?t talk about it.
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this guy has to be thick as a brick between the ears


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