ILL LET YOU FORM YOUR OWN OPINION

[I LOVE WR]

WHEN I THINK HOW UNBELIEVABLY DUMB THE AVERAGE HUMAN IS I ACTUALLY SHUDDER.

HOCKEY IS BY FAR THE MOST EXCITING SPORT TO WATCH. FOOTBALL A SOMEWHAT CLOSE 2ND.

HOCKEY WAS AND WILL BE HUGE AGAIN. BUT WHAT WENT WRONG. WHEN HOCKEY WAS 21 TEAMS ALL THE ARENAS SOLD OUT AND IT WAS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL. THEN WHAT HAPPENS.

AMERICA DECIDES TO GET GREEDY (BIG SURPRISE). LETS BRING IN A WHACK OF NEW TEAMS IN TERRIBLE LOCATIONS WHERE PEOPLE DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HOCKEY IS.

NOW HOCKEY IS SCREWED BECAUSE OF THAT.

LETS SEE- BASEBALL IS SUCCESSFUL. WHY? I TRULY DONT KNOW. FUN TO PLAY BUT BORING BEYOND BELIEF, BUT SOLID MARKETING. BASKETBALL. FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY ANY NON BLACK MAN WOULD WATCH IT. A BUNCH OF ODDLY SHAPED MEN WHO ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THEIR GRADE 11 EDUCATIONS WHO IF NOT FOR B BALL WOULD BE WORKING IN MCDONALDS OR IN JAIL OR MAKING A CRAPPY RAP ALBUM TO SELL TO A BUNCH OF UNEDUCATED IMPRESSIONABLE LITTLE KIDS. YET BASKETBALL IS DOING PRETTY GOOD.

FOOTBALL IS OBVIOUSLY FUN TO WATCH AND MARKETED PERFECT.

IF NOT FOR AMERICAN GREED HOCKEY WOULD STILL BE HUGE. I NEVER UNDERSTAND WHEN I HEAR SOME CLOWN SAY HOCKEY ISNT EXCITING. SO FAST PACED, LOTS OF HITTING AND FIGHTS ISNT FUN. YET AMERICANS EAT UP WRESTLING. GO FIGURE, IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE.

MAYBE BECAUSE HOCKEY IS CANADA AND ALOT OF AMERICANS DONT LIKE THAT.

FAT LAZY PEOPLE WILL FILL BASEBALL STADIUMS AND WATCH OUT OF SHAPE BASEBALL PLAYERS DO SQUAT FOR HOURS BUT THEY WONT FILL ARENAS TO WATCH SOMETHING THAT IS OBVIOUSLY ALOT MORE EXCITING THAN ANY OTHER SPORT.

NOT THAT I CARE BUT MAYBE I DO. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

BASEBALL/BASKETBALL OVER HOCKEY. THATS LIKE SAYING ID RATHER HUMP RAYMOND THAN BRITNEY SPEARS. AS USUAL I HOPE I EXPRESSED MY OPINION WITHOUT OFFENDING ANYONE.

AND WE WONDER.

 

[hogman14]

You know, I really enjoy hockey. I've hit a few BC Hockey games, which are extremely competitive, and good hockey to boot. I mean for $18 you can sit where you'd have to shell out around $80 at the Fleet Center for the Bruins. It was overexpansion that killed it, however, the owners spending money like a frat boy in a strip club had a lot to do with it as well. High supply/low demand, and we all know where that goes, in terms of teams&contracts/increasing fan base. All of my friends "don't care" about hockey, but they're BS if you don't invite them to the BC/BU game.

Up until a few years a go, I had never even attended a pro hoop game. However, affordable tickets make it a draw, I even got half season tix a couple years ago...My interest has dwindled fast.

Think baseball is going to be in some trouble w/the steroid allegations, etc. I don't think the strike is still hurting them. Hard to tell some of these thick skulled Sox fans around here that baseball is in trouble because every time you go there, you end up paying $60 for a bleacher outside Fenway. I tell them to watch Sportscenter some night, and look at the empty seats, and how expansion is going to give us more Montreal Expos and less Yankees.

Guess I would rank football/college football/hockey/college hoops-baseball(tie)/pro hoop

 

[Penguinfan]

The problem is plain and simple and it lives in Toronto my American hating friend, the problem is Bob Goodenow and I hear the players are negotiating without his dumd ass today. This may get resolved afterall.

 

[yyz]

I agree. I think the United States should form it's own league, and let you guys have the NHL.

It's amazing how you can turn any fuking subject into an "anti-America" rally.

 

[Penguinfan]

Actually YYZ the only reason I opened the thread is because I saw Hogman had the latest reply and he usually has something insightful to say, otherwise I don't even open threads started by WR, whats the point, they all have the same dick-brained theme.

 

[I LOVE WR]

WHY IS IT ANYTIME A NON AMERICAN SPEAKS FACTUALLY OR EVEN HIS/HER OPINION ABOUT THE US SOME OF YOU GUYS GET SO DEFENSIVE. INSECURITY PROBLEM?

I DONT SEE YOU HACKING THE AMERICANS INSULTING EACH OTHER IN HERE. LIKE THE GUYS THAT SAY'STUPID DEMOCRATS OR REPUBS'. OR THAT JUST OUTRIGHT INSULT THE UNITED STATES.

YET WHEN A CANADIAN WITH NO HIDDEN AGENDA SPEAKS WHAT APPEARS QUITE FACTUAL- YOUR SKIRTS GET TURNED UP.

WHY DONT YOU JUST TAKE THE COWARDLY WAY OUT AND EMAIL JACK TO BAN ME. WOW THAT TAKES A REAL MAN TO DO THAT.

I agree. I think the United States should form it's own league, and let you guys have the NHL

YYZ THAT MIGHT JUST WORK. AND I BET THE PROPER MARKETING WOULD BE USED IF IT WAS AN AMERICAN NHL. NOT THE CURRENT LAUGHABLE AT BEST ATTEMPT THEY ARE TRYING.

AND PENGUIN KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THE ABOVE QUOTE. IM SURE SOME BOZOS WILL BELIEVE YA. LOL

ITS AMAZING HOW SOME JERKS CAN JUST TWIST A SUBJECT INTO WHAT MAKES THEM HAPPY INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE TRUTH.

SORRY THE TRUTH HAS TO HURT SOMETIMES. WOMEN, CANT LIVE WITHOUT THEM.

 

[theGibber1]

LOL

it seems in almost every post this guy has he finds away to fit in a negative comment about the US..

look buddy im sorry you live in Canada.. get over it

im never seen such an obvious case of penis envy..
:sadwave:

 

[I LOVE WR]

MAYBE ACTUALLY GO LOOK AT MY POSTS AND GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE WHERE I DO THAT. I REALIZE ITS EASY TO REMEMBER TIMES IVE SPOKE OF THE US AND CANADIAN PROBLEMS IN GENERAL.

BUT DONT WHINE ABOUT IT AND DENY FACTS. THAT SWEEPING FACTS UNDER THE CARPET ROUTINE IS WHY NORTH AMERICA AND NOT JUST THE US IS SO MORALLY AND ETHICALLY SCREWED UP.

I CAN ASSUME YOU DONT LIKE BILL MAHER?

IM SORRY THAT SOMETIMES IM IN THE MOOD TO TALK ABOUT REAL LIFE AND NOT WHAT WAS ON THE APPRENTICE LAST NIGHT. LIVE WITH IT OR JUST DONT READ MY POSTS-ITS THAT EASY.

it seems in almost every post this guy has he finds away to fit in a negative comment about the US..

BECAUSE ITS VERY EASY TO DO. MAKE IT NOT EASY TO DO AND ILL BE OUT OF A JOB. AND SOME GUYS WONT HAVE AS MANY THINGS TO WHINE ABOUT.

BUT OUTRIGHT GETTING DEFENSIVE AND DENYING FACTS MAKES A PERSON LOOK QUITE SILLY.

 

[yyz]

I just want to know how "America" fits your equation? "America" doesn't run the NHL.

Please tell us: What did America do that ruined the NHL? You talk "facts", well, here's your chance to give us some.

I'll await your reply.

 

[Chopsticks]

 

[vinnie]

I LOVE WIDE RECEIVERS IS CANADA'S VERSION OF BEANTOWNJIM :mj07:

 

[theGibber1]

LOL

penis envy :sadwave:

 

[Penguinfan]

Looks like the votes in this thread are 6-1 dickbrain, not sure what that amounts to in Canadian votes, but don't let the fact that everyone else thinks your wrong slow you down, eh.

 

[I LOVE WR]

I just want to know how "America" fits your equation? "America" doesn't run the NHL.

THIS IS ABOUT AS EASY AS WHATS 2+2. AND IF I SAID IT WAS 4 IM SURE THESE SAME 6 KRUSTY LOOK ALIKES WOULD ARGUE.

AS MY FRIEND HOGMAN ALREADY SAID AND I GUESS YOU MISSED IT, ITS CALLED GETTING GREEDY AND OVER EXPANDING. IF YOU DONT THINK THE STATES HAS HURT THE NHL MORE THAN HELP IT -YOU REALLY JUST DONT HAVE A CLUE.IT WAS THESE NEWER AMERICAN OWNERS WHO HAD BOTTOMLESS WALLETS THAT SCREWED THE SYSTEM. NOW THEIR WALLETS AINT SO BOTTOMLESS/ NOBODY TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES. AMERICANS IN GENERAL DONT LIKE HOCKEY BECAUSE ITS ONE OF THE ONLY SPORTS AMERICANS ARENT THE BEST AT. AND I KNOW THAT BURNS SOME OF YOU INSECURE GUYS-MY LITTLE FURY FRIEND.

AND I GUESS THE REST OF MY POST ABOUT BASEBALL AND BASKETBALL WAS ANTI AMERICAN ALSO. HERES A TISSUE.


I LOVE A GUY FROM OKLAHOMA SAYING CANADA HAS PENIS ENVY. OKLAHOMA- IS THAT EVEN CONSIDERED PART OF THE US ANYMORE. IS PENIS ENVY REALLY THE BEST YOU COULD COME UP WITH. LAME.

 

[yyz]

Still waiting for some "facts" from you.

I didn't know that "American owners" represented the United States. Here, all this time, I thought they were private businessmen. Silly me..........



Tell us again........which one of these guys is you?

If you actually can post any facts about the crap you are babbling about, it would be great. Otherwise, it's all opinion.....

 

[I LOVE WR]

WHO DO THEY REPRESENT? JAPAN-CHINA?

YA ITS THE JAPAN LIGHTNING AND THE CHINESE STARS.

THIS HAS TO BE AN ACT. YOU JUST CANT BE THAT-- WELL GOOD LUCK

 

[yyz]

You are too fuking stupid to argue with.

I think you stare all day at your avitar's nuts swinging, and it has you hypnotized! It would be one thing if this was an alias, and you wanted to come off as a complete ass, but this is the real you!!!!

If you aren't writing this shit from a mental ward, then you live under some power lines some place.



How the fuk does the owner/owners of a fuking hockey team "represent" any country? They own a business....nothing more. Businesses come and go every day. They represent themselves, and nothing more, you simp.

If Canada is the answer, why the hell are the teams up there going south? Why are only 6 of 30 teams from Canada? Shit, since you guys have a strangle hold on "all that is hockey", why the hell is there a problem? Hey Canada....... Buy some franchises!!!

Somewhere along the line, your great country must have fuked up pretty good, to let the good ol RW&B bitch slap you, and take your national pastime away!

And thanks to this idiotic lock out, a team in Tampa Florida can have the cup another year!




By the way......your silly assed anthem sounds like a junior high school fight song! Nice lyrics. Did Celine write that crap?

No wonder you guys are so weak!


http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=ca...*-http://www.gritzie.com/Canada_natl_anth.htm

 

[GM]

It wasn't AMERICA that got greedy, it was the NHL.

WR, right in your 4th sentence you claim "America" ruined the NHL. And then you wonder why people are pissed at your anti-American rant. It just so happens all those weak non-hockey markets are in the US. But you can't blame "America" for that. The owners, Canadian and American, wanted the short-term benefits of expansion fees, without looking at the long-term harm it does to the league. The talent level is way too watered down now. It would be nice if these sunbelt teams would fold...we don't need them.

As I see it, there are a max of about 16 good hockey markets in North America.

There are maybe eight top-tier cities in which I would say support is very strong regardless of the product on the ice: All of the original six cities, plus I would add in Philadelphia and Colorado. Even Colorado may be iffy though...since they've never really had a truly bad team in all the time they've been there.

The next tier of eight teams, where support is generally good, if the local team is worth watching: Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Minnesota, St Louis, Ottawa, Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary. Lots of smaller markets in this group (not the healthiest group of franchises), but I think these cities support their clubs pretty well considering their lower populations.

You could cut the league off right there in my opinion.

Third tier teams - A mix of cities that really shouldn't fail...either because they are in or near huge media markets (Long Island, New Jersey, Los Angeles, Anaheim), or are the only game in town (San Jose, Columbus). These clubs all have some sort of advantage market-wise, though none of them are hockey-hotbeds. I still hate the idea of a team modeled after a Disney movie, however.

Bottom tier teams, where hockey is not a priority even when winning: Washington, Tampa Bay, Florida, Atlanta, Carolina, Nashville, Dallas, Phoenix.

Dallas has benefitted by having some very good teams, but honestly, this is not a hockey town. Washington has had hockey for over 30 years and it still hasn't caught on. Time to end that experiment. Phoenix is only in the league because Winnipeg was not profitable. Really though you could do away with all of that fourth tier and hardly anyone would care...and the overall product the league put out would be much, much better.

 

[yyz]

Note:


I don't hate Canada, I was just being "WR" for a minute, so he could see how stupid that shit is.


GM.....good post

 

[I LOVE WR]

GM VERY WELL PUT. MAN THAT WAS LIKE PULLING TEETH WITH THE OTHER LADIES. VERY WELL PUT

YYZ RELAX MY FRIEND.

U SAID-If Canada is the answer, why the hell are the teams up there going south? Why are only 6 of 30 teams from Canada?

COULD IT BE THE BOTTOMLESS WALLET AMERICAN OWNERS. NOOO THAT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE.

GM ILL SAY IT AGAIN. WHY DO SOME AMERICANS SCREAM ANTI AMERICAN WHEN A NON AMERICAN STATES A FACTUAL OPINION.

ALOT OF PEOPLE TRULY BELIEVE ANOTHER REASON THE STATES HASNT PUT ITS BEST FOOT FORWARD WITH HOCKEY IS BECAUSE ONLY A HANDFUL OF NHL PLAYERS ARE AMERICANS. I THINK THERE IS TRUTH TO THIS. THIS WILL SOUND BAD BUT AGAIN ITS AN HONEST PERSONS VIEW. IF BASEBALL/BASKETBALL CAN MAKE IT IN THE US AND HOCKEY CANT WHY NOT? BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE TOO PIGHEADED TO WATCH SOMETHING THEY DONT THRIVE AT. SOCCER IS AS BORING AS CHESS SO I CAN UNDERSTAND ITS FAILURE BUT HOCKEY IS IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE THAN FOOTBALL/BASEBALL/HOCKEY WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUAL EXCITEMENT.

The owners, Canadian and American, wanted the short-term benefits of expansion fees, without looking at the long-term harm it does to the league. The talent level is way too watered down now. It would be nice if these sunbelt teams would fold...we don't need them.

AGAIN ALOT OF THIS WAS FORCED ON BY THE STATES. LOOK AT THE OTHER NUMBERS LIKE THE NY RANGERS OR EVEN THE KINGS AT ONE TIME. THESE US OWNERS WERE LIKE GEORGE STEINNBRENNER. AND HE HAS DESTROYED BASEBALL IN ALOT OF PEOPLES OPINIONS. THEY WERE OVERPAYING PLAYERS BY FAR AND THIS IS WHAT ENDED UP HURTING HOCKEY.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE US HAVE A HOCKEY LEAGUE AND THEY PLAY THE WINNER OF CANADAS HOCKEY LEAGUE. MAN THAT WOULD BE NO CHALLENGE.

I WANT HOCKEY IN THE US TO SUCCEED. BUT WHEN RASTLIN AND JERRY SPRINGER AND WOMEN HALF NAKED ON TV RULE THE MEDIA WHAT CHANCE DOES HOCKEY HAVE.

I KNEW THESE BAFOONS WOULD BE LIKE THIS. BUT IM GLAD AT LEAST 1 GUY YOU HAD THE INTELLIGENCE TO ACTUALLY THINK BEFORE TYPING.

THANKS GM AGAIN VERY WELL PUT .