Illinois/Arizona

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I don't post much here anymore but here's my two cents on Illinois/Arizona for what it's worth. Much to my surprise, my book has the line at Arizona (+1). If there is a such thing as a "lock of the week", this is mine. I'm all over Arizona at home. Here's my rationale:
On paper Illinois looks very strong, returning a good number of upper classmen from last years's Elite Eight team. Many picked Illinois as pre season NCAA champions. I'm from Illinois, and it's the same old tired BS. I believe Illinois is the most overrated team in the NCAA. Is Illinois a strong team? Absolutely? Do they deserve a top ten ranking? Absolutely NOT. I'd bet money Illinois falls out of the top ten by the end of the season. This is not a team that can run with the Dukes, Maryland's (as we saw a 63-76 loss at Maryland), and 'Zona's. They have the talent, but that alone does not make for a top ten caliber team. In fact, I believe there are at least two teams in the Big Ten that will finish ahead of Illinois. If I knew nothing about these teams, I'd take Illinois on paper. However, a look at Illinois schedule shows they've played a few cupcakes by beating up on the likes of Eastern Illinois and Texas A & M @ Corpus Christy. Illinois has only played one top team, Maryland, and got nothing short of an ass whooping that the double digit score difference does not justly reflect. Ivy league powerhouse (is that an oxymoron?) gave the Illini a run for their money, leading by double digits at the half and coming up short in the last five minutes. Of all teams, Southern Illinois (the guys not recruited by Illinois, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Depaul, etc.), should have beat the Illini but lost by a point. Arizona on the other hand, can match Illinois talent with two less guys on the roster. They are quick, which always poses problems for the choke artist from Illinois. If the outside shot is on, Illinois will have trouble containing the inside/outside play. Arizona took care of the Illini last year with a less talented roster. Illinois will really miss Sergio McClain and Lucas Johnson tonight. If Bradford is D-up well, they lack any real catalyst for offense. Cook, as usual, may dissapoint in big games. Arizona has played what is arguably the toughest schedule in college basketball this year, taking care of both Maryland and Texas by double digits each away from home. The height advantage for Illinois will prove to be a wash late in the game as Archibald and Cook will find themmselves in foul trouble as they always do against a quicker team. Seven foot - two inch Nick Smith is scrawny and frankly sucks. He has the height but not yet the ability to run with big dogs. Watch for the Fighting Illini to become the Fouling Illini. That, and the crazy home court advantage will make the difference tonight. I'm playing 'Zona Cats BIG.

Good luck to all.
 

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I would play Arizona too. If they were actually at home. Zona and Illinois have both played the same number of games at America West Arena. ZERO. There is no home court advantage in this game.
 

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Sorry, I disagree. There IS indeed a home court advantage tonight! I didn't realize that the came was in Phoenix, but it's a mute point. It's a hell of a lot easier for crazy fans to make a trip out to Phoenix than from Champain/Urbana. If the game were in Chicago, I'd say it was an Illini "home" court. Look, it's in Arizona. How many orange and blue painted faces are we gonna see in Phoeniz on a Tuesday night? Give the "home" court to the Cats.
 
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I agree with you that Illinois is not as good as last year and it is because they miss Marcus Griffin...Sergio was a nice role player....but, Griffin was the key..all that said....

Cap this game with matchups and the first glaring mismatch Is Williams vs. Gardner...Plus Illinois will bang the youngins underneath....I like Illinois and I'm sticking to it.
 

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There will be no student section.
They are not use to the court or the rims.
Hell, Utah and Arizona St are playing the game right after. It's a cheezy college hoops double header that they're gonna play in the middle of the desert in front of a half-packed house. To compare this to Tucson, one of the best home-courts in the nation, is dangerous.
 

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Originally posted by stoopid1:
Arizona took care of the Illini last year with a less talented roster.

Sorry if I'm reading this wrong..but are you saying Illinois or Arizona's roster from last year was weaker than this years roster?
 

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I'm saying Illinois was stronger last year.

No one will know until the game is played. But there is no way in hell I'd touch Illinois tonight. Like I said, it's just my two cents, and I could lose.
 

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Agger100 is 100% right about this one. . .

To say that American West Arena could match the noise and intensity from the crowd as it does in the McKale Center is pure ignorance. Arizona will have fans at the game, but not in every single seat!
 

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Originally posted by stoopid1:
I'm saying Illinois was stronger last year.

Agreed. But they didn't lose nearly the talent Arizona did. Zona lost their 4 best players.


[This message has been edited by Hoops (edited 12-04-2001).]
 

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Who said it will match the home court as if the game was played on campus? The point is, who will have MORE fans? Who will get a better night's rest? Who will get some ass before the game? Who will eat well? You say no advantage? I say you're crazy. But let's let the game be played and see. If Illinois covers, my hats off to you. If not, I told you so. I anticipate the pseudo-Arizona crowd to be chanting "OVER-RATED...OVER-RATED ....OVER-RATED" in the last two minutes. Guys, Illinois is not a top ten team.
 

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Yes there will be more UA fans than Illinios fans. However, I do not see this as an advantage in capping this game. There will be a few ASU fans rooting against UA in the crowd as well. Illinios dominates this one
 

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OK..They are over rated. Doesn't take rocket science. AZ is more at home than ILL is no matter how you want to argue it.

One other little tid bit that is of interest(to moi anyway)..AZ beats Mary..Mary SPANKS ILL. What am I missing? Over rated team against a tough under rated squad IN ARIZONA..AZ by 7 THISclose
 

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Hey Hoops,
Noticed you had a "edit" below. Does memory serve me or did you not make mention of ILL huge?..Sorry if I am mistaken
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stoopid1

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Wow Arizona by 16 at the half, Illinois doing great just as you guys called it.
 

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stoopid,

Don't jinx it. . . still 2nd half to go. I think you should take Illinois and go for a nice middle for the game.
 

stoopid1

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(1) I don't believe in jinx's or luck when handicapping. I believe it's a skill based on use of information.

(2) I don't play halves. It's the end that matters. Even if Illinois wins the half they have a 16 point hole to climb out of in 20 minutes. Write it off.
 

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I think Illinois and the rockets have not left the team bus yet!!!Pathetic so far. Take the lumps and move on, would not want to wager on half.
 
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passing along information is good...gloating and rubbing salt in wounds will make you very unpopular around here...no sour grapes...just trying to help
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Originally posted by THISclose:
Hey Hoops,
Noticed you had a "edit" below. Does memory serve me or did you not make mention of ILL huge?..Sorry if I am mistaken
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THISclose

First off, to make that statement at a point when Arizona is up big and to imply I was editing a play that was losing is extremely weak and totally lacking in class.

Secondly, I never mentioned taking Illinois HUGE in this thread. What I edited was "But the didn't..", I edited 'the' to 'they'.

So yes, you were mistaken in more ways than one.
 
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