Illinois @ Mizzouri !!!!!!!!!!!!

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I Like Mizzou here....Ive meant to have a write up by now...but Ive been really putting my time into the 2 MAC games..I think Ive done all the capping I can do on the MAC games(unless something comes up)...so Iam gonna go ahead and get this going...

Full write-up to come later

Mizzou +7.5...Former Toledo Rocket coach Gary Pinkel will no longer LOSE! 24 years of coaching and only 2 losing seasons for that man :eek:
 
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Little something that I like to read....

Ward to start Saturday against Missouri

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Associated Press


CHAMPAIGN, Ill. -- Illinois coach Ron Turner says even if Dustin Ward struggles against Missouri, he likely leave the inexperienced quarterback in the game.

After that, Turner makes no promises.

Turner named Ward his starter last week, and says the junior won't have to worry about being benched if he starts off slowly in the team's season opener on Saturday in St. Louis.

He beat out Iowa transfer Jon Beutjer for the starting job.

However, Turner said Beutjer could get his chance to play later in the season if Ward doesn't produce.

After sitting out his first years as a redshirt, Ward stood on the sidelines as backup to Kurt Kittner the past two seasons. He has started just one game in his Illinois career, subbing for an injured Kittner in 2000.
 

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most like the illini

most like the illini

i agree with hellah...i think missou keeps it close......not sure if i`m ready to wager anything here,though...
 
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Good see you are back and can't wait for the MAC insider...All the info I am getting out of the Illini camp is the QB situation has caused some trouble on the team. It is like half the guys want the Iowa transfer Buetjer to be the starter while others want Ward...I don't want to call this inside info because I hate that word but I ahve a family member who should know the team real well.

If Ward starts out bad the offense may have some internal bickering going on which as you probalby know is the worst thing that can happen to an offense with a new QB who hasn't got the confidence from some of his teammates. I got on this game at the + 7.5 for a medium size wager 2 units at $400. I might add more later if the line goes up or hear more on the QB situation.

It sounds to me that even Turner in the AP story doesn't have the most confidence in him. If I hear anything else I will post it hear.

This is probably worthless info to some people but thought I would post it for some, now watch Ward go out and throw for 400 yards and get carried of the field by his teammates.

good luck

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Gary Pinkel loves competition. When Pinkel arrived at Missouri last November, he declared every position wide open for the taking. That has not changed heading into his second spring as the head coach of the Missouri Tigers, and it never will.

"Spring football is always about settling depth," said Pinkel. "All jobs are open. I would suggest that this spring will be more competitive than last year."

Last spring, the Missouri Tigers were learning Gary Pinkel's system. The system is now in place. Where as Pinkel was learning about his team in 2001, he now knows every strength and every weakness of his team heading into spring practices.

"We are developing the personality of the program," said Pinkel. "The environment is starting to look like it is supposed to. We're still a long ways away."

Two of the most important aspects that Pinkel felt the Tigers needed to improve on in the off-season were the physical capabilities of his team, and mental toughness.

"February was an important month for this football team," said Pinkel. "We made significant progress physically as a team and we made significant strides in developing the mental toughness of this team."

Missouri will look for improvement all across the board this spring, from offense to defense to special teams. The Missouri coaching staff will look to find the top 11 players on offense and defense, and fill the depth from there.

Offensively, Pinkel hopes to see significant progress in the passing game. The Tigers were ninth in the Big 12 in passing offense, a number that must improve.

"We need to throw the ball significantly better," said Pinkel. "We look to be balanced, but we have to be more efficient throwing the ball."

Pinkel is looking for all aspects of the defense to improve. Creating turnovers is the name of the game for the Missouri defensive system, a category the Tigers were last in the league in a year ago.

"We didn't turn the ball over last year, but we didn't get any either," said Pinkel. "That has got to change. Every part of the defense needs to improve."

Even though special teams improved compared to the past couple of seasons, there is still a lot to work on. Mizzou's special teams will we be more athletic in 2002, adding significant speed from the redshirt freshmen from a year ago. The Tigers also have gone out and gotten the personnel that they need to kick the ball better.

"We need to improve in every aspect of special teams," said Pinkel. "We need to punt and kick better, we need to return it better and we need to cover better. We are going to add a lot of athletes and a lot more speed to the special teams this year, which well help out significantly.

QUARTERBACK
The quarterback position will be like every other position on the gridiron this spring. The job is up for grabs, and Pinkel is expecting a great battle between senior Kirk Farmer and redshirt freshmen Brad Smith and Santino Riccio.

Farmer played an entire season for the first time in his career in 2001. He threw for 1,567 yards while rushing for 379. He was among the conference leaders in total offense. Farmer threw 13 touchdown passes, while be intercepted just six times.

"Last year was Kirk's first year going through an entire season," said Pinkel. "I think he learned a lot last year. We expect him to improve dramatically this spring."

Smith and Riccio guided the Missouri scout team offense last year and did a fantastic job. Smith is one of the best athletes on the team, combining outstanding quickness and speed with a big-time arm. Riccio is also athletic and possesses great arm-strength. One thing both young quarterbacks possess that Pinkel loves is their competitive nature. "Brad and Sonny are two of the best competitors that I have ever been around," said Pinkel. "The competition is going to be fun to watch."

RUNNING BACK
The Tigers are putting together solid depth at the running back position. Junior Zack Abron was a third team All-Big 12 selection in 2001 and arguably the most improved player on the Missouri team. Abron rushed for 783 yards, averaging 5.0 yards per carry. He rushed for over 100 yards five times a year ago with two of those marks coming against two of the top 10 rushing defenses in the country in Texas and Kansas State. "Zack made tremendous strides last year," said Pinkel. "We're expecting a great year from Zack."

Sophomore Tyrone Roberson got his feet wet last year. He rushed for 172 yards and averaged close to four yards per carry. Roberson brings an outstanding work ethic will be a much improved player this spring.

Pinkel is also excited about senior Tim Starks. Starks got off to a late start in 2001, missing nearly all of two-a-days due to transcript problems. Now with a full year under his belt in the Missouri system, Starks is looking good and will compete for playing time this spring. Sophomore Chad Giffen, who lettered as a walk-on last year as a special teams player, moves back to running back after playing free safety last year. Giffen's hard work has caught the attention of the Missouri coaching staff.

WIDE RECEIVER
While first team All-Big 12 wide receiver Justin Gage returns, Pinkel is expecting some of the best competition of the spring to take place at the wide receiver position. Gage had an incredible season in 2001, one of the best in Mizzou history. With 74 receptions, Gage was second in receptions for a single season in Missouri history. With 920 receiving yards, Gage had the best single season in nine years.

Gage enters the 2002 campaign in fourth place all-time at Missouri in both receptions (118) and receiving yards (1,629). As good as Gage has been the last two seasons, Pinkel believes he can be that much better. "Justin has a lot of room to improve," said Pinkel. "He is an outstanding receiver, and his goal this spring needs to be to make his weaknesses into strengths."

At least seven other wide receivers will compete for the top three receiving slots this spring. Junior Marcus James and sophomore Thomson Omboga saw significant playing time last year and will compete to hold onto their spots on the depth chart. Junior Tay Jackson is a veteran player who has improved, as has junior speedster Shirdonya Mitchell. Mitchell is the fastest player on the team (4.32 in the 40-yard dash) and has had a great off-season. Junior Brandon Severino also made great strides a year ago and will compete this spring.

Pinkel is also excited to see three redshirt freshmen in action this spring. Chris Crosby and Sean Coffey are big, athletic receivers who will look to climb the depth chart, while speedy A.B. Britt will also push the veteran receivers.

"It is going to be neat to see how it all unfolds," said Pinkel. "There are some awfully good receivers in this group and they will all be pushing one another."

TIGHT END/R-BACK
Missouri lost a great tight end in Dwayne Blakley, a player that may very well play in the NFL next season. Pinkel will look at several people to fill Blakley's shoes.

Senior Ben Frederickson had a very good 2001 campaign, catching eight passes, two of them for touchdowns. Frederickson is a big, strong athlete who will be a much improved player this spring.

Redshirt freshman Earl Stephens will compete with Frederickson. Stephens is a talented tight end who has added a significant amount of size and strength to go along with his athletic ability.

The Tigers have a lot of experienced depth at R-back and expect that position to be hotly contested this spring. Senior Joe Chirumbolo played in every game last season and caught two touchdown passes. He is the type of player who makes things happen when he touches the ball. Junior J.D. McCoy has had an exceptional off-season and is expected to push Chirumbolo this fall, as will senior T.J. Leon, who makes the move to R-back from tailback in 2002. Leon is an experienced player with a great work ethic.

OFFENSIVE LINE
There will be plenty of competition among several good athletes this spring on the offensive line. The Tigers must replace three All-Big 12 offensive linemen in Justin Bland, Aaron Crittendon and Mike Hayes.

Two starters return on the offensive line, including junior center A.J. Ricker, a nominee for the Rimington Award that is given to the best offensive center in the nation. Ricker was a third team All-Big 12 selection last year and could very well emerge as the best center in the league in 2002.

Junior Rob Droege made significant strides last year and will be a much improved player this spring. Droege, one of the best athletes on the line, will be stronger and even quicker in 2002.

"We need Ricker and Droege to play at a higher level this season," said Pinkel. "They will be the leaders of this offensive line, so they need to step up their play." Junior Cliff Young improved a lot last year and saw action in the Tigers final two games. Like Ricker and Droege, Young is a year older and much stronger and quicker.

Several young players will compete for jobs on the offensive line this spring. Sophomores Tony Clinker and Joe Gianino have great work ethics and will look to climb the depth chart, as will junior Scott Sells, who made great strides a year ago as Ricker's backup. Seniors Wes Wilson and J.P. Hall will also compete this spring, along with sophomore Scott Paffrath, who has really worked hard to get bigger and stronger. Junior Howard Brown has moved to the offensive line from the defensive line and will compete this spring.
 
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DEFENSIVE LINE
Where there was very little experience on the defensive line in 2001, the Tigers return a significant number of players who saw action last year. Second team All-Big 12 lineman Keith Wright had a very impressive season last year and can play either defensive end or defensive tackle. Wright is much stronger than a year ago which will make him that much tougher to handle.

Senior defensive end Antwaun Bynum led the Tigers in quarterback sacks with seven and will once again be a force. Like Wright, Bynum is much stronger heading into the spring.

Another senior, Cedric Harden, has been a mainstay on the defensive line the last three years. Harden brings experience, size and speed. Sophomore Nick Tarpoff saw significant playing time last year and fellow sophomore Terrell Mills returns after an early season injury last year.

On the interior, Pinkel and the staff are excited to see junior college transfer Atiyyah Ellison perform this spring. At 6-4, 290, Ellison, a sophomore, is a huge, athletic defensive lineman who will look to get the Missouri defensive scheme down this spring. Sophomore Phil Pitts got his feet wet last year and is a much improved player, and junior Rusty Groth makes the switch from offensive line to defensive line this spring. Groth has had a fantastic off-season and runs very well.


LINEBACKERS
The Tigers return two talented linebackers in senior Sean Doyle and sophomore James Kinney. Doyle recorded 131 tackles a year ago, a total that ranked among the top 20 in college football. He is hard-nosed and will be one of the leaders of the defense this spring.

Kinney started the final three games for the Tigers in 2001 and played at a very high level. He is good athlete who continues to get stronger and faster.

Several other young linebackers will compete this spring. Sophomore Henry Sweat has had a good off-season will compete this spring, as will three talented redshirt freshmen: Brandon Smith, Derrick Ming and Elgin Childress.

"These three guys are great competitors and will be fun to watch this spring," said Pinkel. Ming and Childress both had surgery last year, but both have made significant strides and will be ready to go this spring."


DEFENSIVE BACKS
While there are five positions in the defensive backfield in the Missouri defense, Pinkel will group all of the defensive backs together this spring and find the best of the bunch to fill in the depth chart. Where the Tigers lacked depth last year in the defensive backfield, several young players, many of whom redshirted a year ago, will step in and compete for spots on the depth chart.

"The five best players out of this group will play in the secondary," said Pinkel. "We've got some excellent athletes, and we need to get our best athletes on the field."

Senior Tauras Ferguson was an honorable mention All-Big 12 selection last year at outside safety and will look to lock down the rover position this spring. Ferguson, who played on the defensive side of the football for the first time in his career a year ago, was third on the team in tackles with 71. He recorded six tackles for losses, two quarterback sacks, and recovered two fumbles.

Senior Gary Anthony and junior Marcus Caldwell will compete at the outside safety positions. Both players have significant experience. Redshirt freshmen Justin Scott, Orlando Gooden and Quincy Wade will also push the Mizzou veterans this spring. All three players have improved in the off-season and all three are very talented athletes.

Pinkel has moved three players into the free safety position this spring to compete for that job. Sophomore Marcus King saw time on special teams last year and practiced at cornerback. King has good size and speed and is a great competitor. Redshirt freshman Jason Simpson was an outside safety last year. Simpson is a physical player with a great motor.

One of the most significant moves in the off-season was moving junior Brandon Barnes from wide receiver to free safety. Barnes has excellent size and was a standout defensive back in high school.

"Good athletes are critical in this defensive structure," said Pinkel. "

Missouri has a lot of experience at the cornerback spots. Seniors Antoine Duncan and R.J. Jones are good cover corners with excellent speed. Both players had two interceptions each in 2001. They will be pushed by junior Michael Harden and sophomore Calvin Washington, along with redshirt freshman A.J. Kincade. Washington and Kincade have had fantastic off-seasons.

Junior Terrence Curry will also be back on the gridiron this fall after sitting out the 2001 campaign with a knee injury. Curry probably won't be 100 percent until the summer, but he is a veteran who will eventually enter the competition.

"I think the defensive back position, like all of the other positions, is starting to show a semblance of order in the depth," said Pinkel. "We are not there yet by any means, but it is getting better."


SPECIAL TEAMS
Special Teams will be a major area of concentration this spring. The Tigers will be looking to get better in every aspect. The coaching staff will be taking a long look at everything from punting to snapping to holding.

The competition at punter will be between sophomore Brock Harvey and junior college transfer Todd Gohsler. Harvey battled inconsistency as a redshirt freshman a year ago, but Pinkel is quick to point out that Harvey has worked extremely hard this off-season. Gohsler, from Mesa College in California, will push Harvey this spring.

Long-snapping will be a point of emphasis after losing both Sean Ain and Ben Davidson to graduation. Sophomores Zack Strom and Nick Tarpoff and junior Scott Sells will compete, while Pinkel plans on trying out a number of other players.

"Like everything else, snapping is important, and these guys have been working on it every day," said Pinkel.

Redshirt freshman Ben Lambert will get a long look this spring at place kicker, while the Tigers plan on bringing in several other walk-ons to compete with Lambert.

All three quarterbacks, Farmer, Smith and Riccio, will challenge to be the holder in place-kicking situations. Missouri also plans on trying several players out for the return teams.

"We'll evaluate the return teams as we go along this spring," said Pinkel. "We have several candidates, and it is part of the game that we need to improve."
 

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With no Kurt Kittner this year...what will the Fighting Illini do? On offense they sreu got some fire power....but its backedup behind a QB who has been known for his mistakes. The offense returns seven starters from teh highest scoring unit in school history, inclduiong 5 WR with BIG 10 experience. OVer the last 3 years, the Illini offense has averaged 30.6 points per game, inclduing eight games over the 40 point mark. The Illini rushing game has topped 1700 yards in each of the last 3 seasons, the most in back-toback-to-back seasons since 1971-75. RON TURNER, Illinois (26-31 in his sixth year at Illinois, 33-35 overall) - Turner is facing Missouri for the first time as a head coach. Over the last three seasons, Illinois has a record of 23-12 (.657) under Turner and had its first perfect home record since 1984 last season when the Illini went 6-0 at Memorial Stadium.

Turner earned Big Ten Coach of the Year honors in 2001 after leading Illinois to the Big Ten championship and a trip to the Nokia Sugar Bowl and its first 10-win season since 1989. The league title was the Illini's first since 1990. Known as an offensive genius, Turner has coached Illinois to the school's highest scoring squads in both 1999 (32.3 ppg) and 2001 (32.5 ppg). Those seasons rank 1-2 in the Illinois record books and the 26.7 ppg scored in 2000 ranks eighth. The team topped the 5,000-yard total offense mark in 2001 for the first time in school history.
Turner has served as quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator or head coach since 1981. During that time he coached quarterbacks such as Jeff Garcia, Erik Kramer, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete and Kurt Kittner. Turner led the Illini to an 8-4 record and a 63-21 thumping of Virginia in the Micronpc.com Bowl in 1999. For his efforts, Turner finished fourth in the Associated Press Coach of the Year voting. He came to Illinois after a four-year stint as the offensive coordinator for the Chicago Bears (1993-96). In 1992, he was the head coach for San Jose State where he turned in a 7-4 record and a second-place finish in the Big West Conference. Turner has served as an assistant at Stanford, Texas A&M, Southern California, Pittsburgh, Northwestern and Arizona working mainly with quarterbacks and receivers during his 20+ years in college coaching. GARY PINKEL, Missouri (4-7 in his second year at Missouri and 77-44-3 in his 12th season as a collegiate head coach) - Gary Pinkel is facing Illinois for the first time as a head coach. Pinkel was highly successful as head coach at Toledo from 1991-2000, compiling a 73-37-3 record before moving to Columbia. He served as an assistant at Washington from 1979-90, helping the Huskies to 104 wins in 12 seasons.

Defense
Seven starterss return to teh Illini defense from a year ago, including all 3 linebackers, both cornerbacks and two lineman. Last season, Illinois set a school record with 40 sackes. Contributing to the 40 sacks were 18 differnt players, 12 of which return for teh 2002 season. The Illini defense line used a rotation of 11 players during the Big Ten Championship run, eight of those are back this season. The cornerback duo of Eugene Wilson and Christian Morton are rated by preseason publications as among the best in the country. Wilson led the nation in passes broken up with 30 and Moton finished second with 26. The pair also recorded a total of 10 interceptions last year, two of which were returned for touchdowns. Eugene Wilson has interecepted 10 passes in his Illini career, which ranks eighth in the Illinois record books. He needs three to improve to third on the list.
 

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Illinois is opening its 113th year of varsity football Aug. 31 against Missouri.

The Illini have compiled an all-time record of 71-36-5 in season openers and have posted wins in each of the last three lid-lifters.
Illinois has won seven straight regular-season games, and nine in a row in the regular season against non-Big Ten opponents. Including bowl games, Illinois is 10-1 against non-con-ference opponents over the last three seasons.

Illinois is playing in what is primarily an NFL facility for the second-consecutive game after playing in the Louisiana Superdome at the 2002 Nokia Sugar Bowl to end the 2001 sea-son. Illinois will play a total of eight regular-season games in 2002 in what is considered NFL stadiums including the opener against Missouri at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis, the Metrodome in Minneapolis on Oct. 5 and the six home games at Memorial Stadium where the Chicago Bears are playing their home games this season.

Illinois is playing its 12th game in a domed stadium Aug. 31, and have compiled a 5-5-1 record with losses in its last three inside appearances.

Illinois and Missouri are scheduled to matchup in men's and women's basketball on Dec. 21 at the Savvis Center in St. Louis.
 

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Coach Gary Pinkel speaks about upcoming matchup against Illinois.
Missouri opens the season Saturday.


Aug. 26, 2002

On starting red shirt freshman quarterback Brad Smith~ He's a very good athlete. He's got great quickness, speed, and a very good arm. He's got a lot of poise. Taking a red shirt freshman who is 18-years old and putting him into this type of situation is certainly significant, but he won the job. This is a great opportunity for him. Obviously, will he get better as time goes on? There is no question about it. I think he is as good an athlete as I have ever coached, and he's probably ahead of any quarterback that I have ever coached, at this time.

On MU's inexperienced defense and the addition of Russ Bell~ There are a lot of good things about our defense. We're faster and stronger. Our whole team is. Up front we are a little bit different. Russ Bell has been a great addition. He's been in track the last couple of years, and he comes in and the transition has thus far worked. That is not a very common occurrence. Many times track kids come in and soon there after they leave the football team. Russ Bell is a football player. That's a bonus for us. We're going to have a lot of football players who haven't played in a game environment before, so time is going to tell.

On the Illinois offense~ We have a great challenge. They have a great offense. They have a great system on offense. They are very balanced. They run the ball well. They throw the ball. They have a plan. They're very fun to watch on offense because everything fits. You certainly have to respect that.

On the emotion of this game~ We all know what this game is going to be like. There is going to be a lot of emotion in this game. There is a lot of emotion in the basketball rivalry, and certainly, football is going to be the same. With St. Louis having so many fans on both sides, this game presents itself as a great situation. Our players are going to have to maintain their poise.

On the importance of winning this game in relation to recruiting~ If you win this game you use it in recruiting. If you don't, you go in a different direction. I don't know that I've recruited anybody that has decided where they are going to go based on the outcome of one game. I've never seen that. Most kids evaluate programs and what best fits them. Obviously, we both want to win this game. In recruiting, we go head to head a lot with Illinois. We have worked very hard to try and improve the recruiting situation in St. Louis and to build trust in
 

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MY OVERVIEW

Iam a fan of Gary Pinkel....and heres why. When Nick Saban coached Toledo for 1 season and posted a 9-2 record he left to Michigan St. for more money(dont blame him)...in came the ex-tight end who played at Kent St....Mr. Gary Pinkel. It took him a year or two but he turned Toledo into a powerhouse in the MAC. He recruited guys like Wasean Tait, Dwayne Harris, and Chester Taylor. He recruited wideouts like Mace Freeman, Mel Long, and Carl Ford. He recruited cornerbacks like Clarance Love and Any Boyd. My point is this....when he gets HIS kids playing...he turns them into winners. He has coached 24 years and has only 2 losing seasons...1 at Mizzou and 1 at Toledo. Gary is a straight forward guy...he`ll tell ya straight up whats wrong with ya and how to fix it. He was the one that took Toledo to a bowl game and took them to the Top 25 a number of times. Now that he has a season under his belt in Mizzou....he can really start doing what he likes....the players like him...the AD likes him....and for all I know the fans like him.

As far as the Fighting Illini....I watched a shitload of Illinois football last 10 years of my life considering Iam in Big 10 country. I still remember in 96 when they played USC...:lol: I remember how the announcer was like "Well....this team needs a quarterback to turn this program around..." I HEARD THE SAME EXACT THING A YEAR LATER IN 97!!!! When they played Southern Miss and lost at home...well wouldnt ya know it...that QB actually comes to them...Kittner turns that program around :) but now he`s gone...Kittner carried this team. The defense wasnt alll that good IMO. They almost lost to Northern Illinois AT HOME :eek: They gave up an average of 24 points per game :nooo:

Gimmie Mizzou here...7.5 dog...WTF show some respect to Mizzou, this team. They arent bad....just hard for a first year coach to work with kids that he has never met. On top of that...when he came to Mizzou he took everybody from Toledo WITH HIM. So they had to learn a whole new offense...
 

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Good see you are back and can't wait for the MAC insider...All the info I am getting out of the Illini camp is the QB situation has caused some trouble on the team. It is like half the guys want the Iowa transfer Buetjer to be the starter while others want Ward...I don't want to call this inside info because I hate that word but I ahve a family member who should know the team real well.


Thats what I like to hear :p :D :eek:
 

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Mizzou vs. Illinois

Hellah10: always enjoy your write-ups. Being a Big 12 grad I couldn't resist. I have Mizzou +8.5 with an illini alum. :Yep:
 

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Missou one of my dog plays this week. Ill on road week at QB first game. I'll take the homer +8. May win SU. But I do believe I'll by 3.
 

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Ill vs. Mizzou

djv: FYI...... I'm almost positive the game is being played in St. Louis. If don't already know. IMO it won't matter.
 

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You are correct. In the dome I believe. Misou just more at home.
 

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Nice Work

I couldn't resist jumping on Missouri at half time after seeing Brad Smith play qb and the pass rush was just nasty all game long. Easy money!!!
 
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