In regards to an earlier post concerning Andrea Yates

[fatdaddycool]

After returning home, I had a chance to read the earlier post conerning this matter. I see that I LOVE WR has changed his tune somewhat and my favorite lawyer has chimed in. I was somewhat suprised to see that Eddie left me off of his name calling list, but that is neither here nor there. What isn't suprising is that WR did not post anything to support his early inane claims that she was abused which lends support to my earlier claim that he was full of it. The topic got closed so I won't belabor the point except to say that it is always better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you are an idiot rather than open it and remove all doubt.
As far as the death penalty goes and the comments made by Eddie Haskell, they are both equally disturbing. I, as everybody, am entitled to my own opinion. Belief in capital punishment does not make anyone a republican or a gun toting idiot. What I think may be completely idiotic is that someone claiming to be a lawyer would attack anyone that is expressing their own particular beliefs. I believe Eddie to be an intelligent, well spoken individual, but is also a pain in the ass at times.
As far as keeping someone locked up and providing them with three hots and a cot for the sole reason of study is ludicrous. I don't want to see a single tax dollar spent on her or her care. The truth is that psychosis contributing to murder is a joke. If that is the case and as many murderers that claim insanity then we must have something in the drinking water. You do not see the numbers in other countries to support this claim. One must assume that we have as many or as few crazy people as Singapore or Japan or anywhere else, yet you don't see anything even close the numbers we see here. I do not know that I can find supporting documents to show that the death penalty is a deterrent nor do I care to. I only know I don't want my tax dollars paying for their care. Hence the woodchipper idea. I would hazard to say that there are people on this forum are at least as crazy as Andrea, if there psycho babble is any indication of it. The truth is that incompetence and apathy got her conviction overturned and I am still quite sure that justice will someday be served. Hopefully, WR's recent change of heart or at least his change of tone will continue. I still don't agree with him and would love to see her put to death the world be rid of a murdering thief of child innocence.

 

[yyz]

Our liberal justice system creates our "crazy people".

 

[ELVIS]

agreed.

 

[FUZZY NUTZ]

NO WONDER SO MANY KIDS ARE BEING ABUSED AND MURDERED, THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY JUST HAS TO SAY THE WORDS "MENTAL ILLNESS" AND EVERYONE STARTS FEELING SORRY FOR THE MOTHERS AND NOTHING IS MENTIONED ABOUT THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT WERE DONE TO THE KIDS.

THE FATHER SHOULD ALSO SHARE SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY, BUT NO ONE MADE ANDREA HAVE A BABY, NO ONE MADE HER STOP TAKING HER MEDICATION, SHE DID THAT ON HER OWN. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS DOESN'T MEAN THEY SHOULD GET EXCUSED FROM PROTECTING THEIR KIDS OR TAKING RESPONSIBILITY. SHE BELONGS ON DEATH ROW!!

WHAT ABOUT THE MOTHER WHO CHOPPED OFF HER BABY'S ARMS? OH YEAH, SHE ALSO HAD A MENTAL ILLNESS. NOT ONLY SHOULD THEY BE LOCKED UP, THEY SHOULD ALSO BE KILLED THE SAME WAY THEY KILLED THEIR KIDS.

 

[fatdaddycool]

Absolutely it does. It is used as a crutch for the murderous. Temporary insanity defense may be believable if someone had murdered a family member or something and you shot them but not post partum depression. I find it ridiculous that people think we know more about the mind now than ever before. If we know so friggin much how come we can't cure anything. All we do now is identify excuses for poor behavior.......ADD, Temp insanity, ADHD, and the like. Nothing more then a recognized excuse.

 

[Chanman]

Our liberal justice system creates our "crazy people".

Agreed. What really floors me are cases like one that happened- I'm sure there are many, many sinilar circumstances- where the perp had witnesses who saw him commit murder and he pleads 'Guilty,' only to have the judge throw out the plea and have a court appointed lawyer enter a 'not guilty' plea so we can drag eveything out@ taxpayer expense and then spend 60k a year w/medial, dental, and so on for the rest of his life or at least til he can appeal and get a 'new' trial.

 

[AR182]

fdc,

where have you been ?

it's good seeing you post again.

i didn't read the previous closed thread about the andrea yates case being over turned. and i didn't completely follow it. those type of murder cases get me sick to my stomach.

i believe in the death penalty.i also believe the appeals process shouldn't take more than a few years. i think scott peterson should be executed....the sooner the better.

however i have a different position when it comes to andrea yates & suzanne smith.i just can't imagine a mother of 4 kids (andrea yates) or 3 kids (in suzanne smith's case) being in their right mind when they killed their kids.a mother spends all that time carrying each child & then when they give birth they nurture the child for years. there has to be a bond that develps with every child which imo makes me believe that a mother has to be out of her mind when she kills a child.

i don't believe andrea yates should be released....just not executed.

now martha stewart is another case.....

 

[I LOVE WR]

FAT DADDY YOU REALLY ARE AS DUMB AS YOU SOUND.

ILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I JUST HOPE ONE DAY YOU DONT LOSE YOUR MIND AND KILL THE ONES YOU LOVE. BECAUSE SOME LOWLIFE UNEDUCATED BAFFOON LIKE YOU WILL WANT YOU KILLED WITHOUT HAVING A CLUE ABOUT THE FACTS.

YOU MAY NOT BE A MORON IN LIFE BURT ON THIS TOPIC YOU ARE A TRUE FOOL. NOTHING PERSONAL.

PEOPLE THAT THINK LIKE YOU ARE WHY THE WORLD DOESNT LIKE AND RESPECT AMERICANS IN GENERAL. GROW UP AND BETTER YET SMARTEN UP.

 

[I LOVE WR]

WELL PUT AR.

I ALSO AGREE SHE SHOULD NOT BE RELEASED. UNLESS THEY FIND OUT 100% WHAT HAPPENED TO HER AND HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE IT DOESNT HAPPEN AGAIN.

JAIL DOES NOT FIT THIS CRIME. AND DEATH PENALTY SUPPORTERS IN GENERAL ARENT VERY INTELLIGENT.

 

[ELVIS]

the proponents of the death penalty are typically law abiding citizens that hate the fact so many crimes are punished too lightly. this woman had some mental issues, and maybe she was insane- i don't know. what i do know is that human life is valued far too cheaply. people are tired of criminals getting away with terrible crimes. there are a number of circumstances that deserve the death penalty. lucky for some, they don't live here, and they are not subjected to the unfair laws in the US.

 

[AR182]

listen..i love wr.....

you should tone down your posts & stop calling people who don't agree with you morons....it makes you look like a moron.

there are as many intelligent people who believe in the death penalty as those who oppose it.

and personally i don't care what people from other countries think of us.....based on some of the decisions that are made in other countries they're opinions don't mean anything.

 

[fatdaddycool]

WR,
Where is the transcript you claimed to have read where she had suffered abuse at the hands of her husband. Don't have it do you? Never read it did you? Lied about reading it didn't you? As I said earlier you are an inspired liar. I am not ignorant on any case and you calling me moronic is truly ironic. You can attempt to obfuscate the matter all you want with the obloquy of my character and it only strengthens what I have already stated. The fact is I am highly educated, incredibly strong of spirit and integrity and, unlike you my Canadian friend, know how to spell. So you may continue to call me names as it only strengthens my case of you being a complete dumbass. I would be willing to take the "Pepsi Challenge" pitting my intelligence against yours any time. You might want to ask around and see how much support you have in this forum. My guess is there are more people that wish you ill than not.
So proceed with the name calling and I will continue to post my intelligent well thought out threads and replies.
You know what is even more amazing that an obviously poorly educated person such as yourself doesn't use spell check. Then again I never do either, but alot of that has to do with the fact that I can actually spell to the level of education I received. If nothing else you certainly are an indictment of the Canadian school system. I'll tell you what we will send her to Canada so you can support her with your taxes, I mean its not like anyone in your country is doing anything anyway, like taking a stand or assisting any countries that have done nothing but assist you for years gone by. Hey amaze me some more concerning the FACTS in the case that you read about in your super secret transcript that you can no longer seem to find........................loser

 

[yyz]

You know......if we have a rabid dog, we kill it.

We don't 'study it' and try to find out why it went 'mad'.


As easy as it might seem for people whom are detached from these cases to yell, "Kill them!", it is just as easy for the 'well meaning' hand-wringers to say, "leave them be."

What makes these women any different than Dahmer, Bundy, and their contemporaries? Because they where their children, and not strangers? Give me a fuking break. People are not immune from their actions, IMO. I don't want you roaming around my streets, while we figure out how to "help" you.

A certain number of people come off the assembly line with bad parts.....always have, and always will. Just like cars, DVD players, yo-yos, and whatever else you can think of. Car companies have re-calls, and fix the problem.

Society has re-calls, too. They are called prison, and the cemetery.


Andrea Yates was most likely nuttier than Chinese chicken salad well before she killed her kids. This was just the action that brought her some notoriety. Maybe she pulled the arms off of her Barbies when she was younger? Who the fuk knows?

I know that, like the mad dog, she needs to be put down.

 

[fatdaddycool]

AR182,
I was glad to hear from you. I have been around just been pretty busy as I have been doing the school thing and working full time so it is tough to find time, especially with a 20 year old that thinks she knows everything..........LOL. I think it is easier being a single parent when they can't talk...........hehe.
As far as the whole Yates thing goes, I am a proponent of the death penalty also when applied as necessary and I know that we have executed the innocent before I am sure but, she is not innocent. I understand that she may have been depressed or whatever but that does not excuse her actions. I honestly believe that everyone has to answer for their actions. She murdered her children and their are others on death row that killed a stranger, treating her differently would really be hypocritical in my opinion. Also, I cannot support a diagnosis of post partum depression as a factor in her defense. Many women in all ages have had children in much tougher times and they didn't kill them. I think that a psychiatrist that actually believes someone to be insane due to ppd is doing nothing more than trying to benefit his profession, just as I believe that ADD and ADHD is a bunch of crap too. Yes it may actually exist but I wonder how we as a society ever survived in earlier times without ritalin.

 

[fletcher]

Hell I am on wellbutrin and I have not ever had the earge to kill someone, guess I have a free ticket when I feel the time is right?


Now if someone is proven mentally challenged way beyond a reason of doubt and does something like kill someone, then they should be locked up in a state hospital, but for ppd I don't buy it, like I said if that's the case then I get the free pass.

 

[fatdaddycool]

Ok.......Everyone make sure Fletcher medicates during superbowl weekend.....................LOL
If you do snap could you kill I LOVE WR please.
Kidding of course.

 

[fatdaddycool]

You know the funny thing about all this is that she actually has killed more people than Lizzie Borden, yet she is considered much more notorious.

 

[bjfinste]

YYZ- Come on. You don't think there is any sort of value in studying wackos to see if there is some sort of identifiable trait that could be discovered earlier? I realize that can sound like a joke that would never happen, but IMO studying people such as Yates (obviously keeping her locked up in a ward and never releasing her) could present at least a slight chance that something could be discovered.

FDC- didn't Son of Sam kill six people? I'm far from knowledgable on the subject, but that's what I thought was the case.

 

[Chanman]

AR182,
I was glad to hear from you. I have been around just been pretty busy as I have been doing the school thing and working full time so it is tough to find time, especially with a 20 year old that thinks she knows everything..........LOL. I think it is easier being a single parent when they can't talk...........hehe.
As far as the whole Yates thing goes, I am a proponent of the death penalty also when applied as necessary and I know that we have executed the innocent before I am sure but, she is not innocent. I understand that she may have been depressed or whatever but that does not excuse her actions. I honestly believe that everyone has to answer for their actions. She murdered her children and their are others on death row that killed a stranger, treating her differently would really be hypocritical in my opinion. Also, I cannot support a diagnosis of post partum depression as a factor in her defense. Many women in all ages have had children in much tougher times and they didn't kill them. I think that a psychiatrist that actually believes someone to be insane due to ppd is doing nothing more than trying to benefit his profession, just as I believe that ADD and ADHD is a bunch of crap too. Yes it may actually exist but I wonder how we as a society ever survived in earlier times without ritalin.

Yeah, what DaddyCool said. And another thing ILWR, We're keepin the Librarians.
http://library2.csudh.edu/cdales/canlib/
If you want to negotiate a truce...then bring some 'shrooms' to the Party. *Aside to AR182- I think I got some old Wishbone Ash and/or YES LP's in the closet. If nothing else we can look@ the YES Album covers*

P.S. bj- how long do you think our justice system would keep a person off the street because of a perceived 'trait?' Wonder what ppl upset about the Patriot Act would have to say about that?

Even if we could sequester these ppl, look at the examples that let others slip thru- Remember Dahmer was stopped by the Milwaukee police chasing a 14 year old Cambodian boy down the street?

Once caught& convicted I don't want my $ going to waste which is what I think happens when we try to rehabilitate ppl who could care less about our society's laws much less other ppl. I'm not sure about Son of Sam's victims- just that the hole in the wall spoke to him about killing innocents.

Remember the video tape of Richard Speck in an Illinois jail? If we had the $, time& effort to really make a difference, i.e., positive results, I might be swayed.

 

[yyz]

bj,

How do we determine who is 'real', and who is faking? This is getting very deep, and I don't have all the answers.

I remember a Chuck Bronson flick "10 To Midnight", where this guy is killing all these gals. The guy gets set free for all these murders, when Bronson plants evidence to convict him. This makes the guy come after Chuck's daughter!

When Bronson catches up to him, he tells the guy, "You're sick", and the guy goes into an act:

"That's right.....I am sick. I need help. I need to be in a hospital. But they can't keep me there forever. Someday.....they'll let me out. And when they do......I'll be back. Do you hear me? I'll be back!

To which Bronson replies:

"Oh, no you won't."

And he shoots him in the melon.