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SixFive

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I "chat" with lots of foreigners at a website where I play pool, chess, and several other games. Great Britian, Germany, Portugal, Spain, Malaysia, etc. Not a single person has NOT made a derogatory comment about the president, and most have seen Fahrneheit 911 and quote Michael Moore. I guess this doesn't suprise me, but still, I think it's kinda sad that this is the only "news" source they get.
 

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M.Moore, a great american. Too bad he wasn't running for office. we should be so 'lucky.'
That's life in the big city 6'5". And more to come...
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VETS CHARGE: KERRY KILLED FLEEING TEEN; LIED FOR MEDAL

Slaughters Animals, Burns Down Tiny Village

**Exclusive**

A veterans group seeking to deeply discredit Democrat John Kerry's military service will charge in the new bombshell book UNFIT FOR COMMAND:

"Kerry earned his Silver Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet Cong in a loincloth."

"And if Kerry's superiors had known the truth at the time, they would never have recommended him for the medal."

The book also claims to detail how Kerry personally ordered the slaughter of small animals at a small hamlet along the Song Bo De River.

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The book, set for release next week, hit #1 on the AMAZON hitparade after the DRUDGE REPORT revealed details of the book -- a book the Kerry camapign believes is the"the dirtiest of all dirty tricks ever played on a candidate for the presidency."

The Kerry campaign is planning to vigorously counter the charges and will accuse the veteran's groups of being well-financed by a top Bush donor from Texas.

The vets have launched a blistering new TV commercial questioning Kerry's honor and calling him a liar.

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George Bates, an officer in Coastal Division 11, participated in numerous operations with Kerry. In UNFIT FOR COMMAND, Bates recalls a particular patrol with Kerry on the Song Bo De River. He is still "haunted" by the incident:

With Kerry in the lead, the boats approached a small hamlet with three or four grass huts. Pigs and chickens were milling around peacefully. As the boats drew closer, the villagers fled. There were no political symbols or flags in evidence in the tiny village. It was obvious to Bates that existing policies, decency, and good sense required the boats to simply move on.

Instead, Kerry beached his boat directly in the small settlement. Upon his command, the numerous small animals were slaughtered by heavy-caliber machine guns. Acting more like a pirate than a naval officer, Kerry disembarked and ran around with a Zippo lighter, burning up the entire hamlet.

Bates has never forgotten Kerry's actions.

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UNFIT FOR COMMAND, DRUDGE has learned, claims Kerry "earned his Silver Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet Cong in a loincloth."

ARE THE VETS TELLING THE TRUTH?

"They hired a goddamn private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is pay for play... How low can they go?"

Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton.

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John O'Neill, co-author of UNFIT FOR COMMAND, believes that "Kerry's Star would never have been awarded had his actions been reviewed through normal channels. In his case, he was awarded the medal two days after the incident with no review. The medal was arranged to boost the morale of Coastal Division 11, but it was based on false and incomplete information provided by Kerry himself."

According to Kerry's Silver Star citation, Kerry was in command of a three-boat mission on the Dong Cung River. As the boats approached the target area, they came under intense enemy fire. Kerry ordered his boat to attack and all boats opened fire. He then beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. In the battle that followed, the crews captured enemy weapons. His boat then moved further up the river to suppress more enemy fire. A rocket exploded near Kerry's boat, and he ordered to charge the enemy. Kerry beached his boat 10 feet from the rocket position and led a landing party ashore to pursue the enemy.

Kerry' citation reads: "The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lt. Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission."

Here's what O'Neill and the Swiftees say: "According to Kerry's crewman Michael Madeiros, Kerry had an agreement with him to turn the boat in and onto the beach if fired upon. Each of the three boats involved in the operation was involved in the agreement." O'Neill writes that one crewman even recalls a discussion of probable medals.

Doug Reese, a pro Kerry Army veteran, recounted what happened that day to O'Neill, "Far from being alone, the boats were loaded with many soldiers commanded by Reese and two other advisors. When fired at, Reese's boat--not Kerry's--was the first to beach in the ambush zone. Then Reese and other troops and advisors (not Kerry) disembarked, killing a number of Viet Cong and capturing a number of weapons. None of the participants from Reese's boat received Silver Stars.

O'Neill continues: "Kerry's boat moved slightly downstream and was struck by a rocket-propelled grenade. . . .A young Viet Cong in a loincloth popped out of a hole, clutching a grenade launcher, which may or may not have been loaded. . . Tom Belodeau, a forward gunner, shot the Viet Cong with an M-60 machine gun in the leg as he fled. . . . Kerry and Medeiros (who had many troops in their boat) took off, perhaps with others, and followed the young Viet Cong and shot him in the back, behind a lean to."

O'Neill concludes "Whether Kerry's dispatching of a fleeing, wounded, armed or unarmed teenage enemy was in accordance with the customs of war, it is very clear that many Vietnam veterans and most Swiftees do not consider this action to be the stuff of which medals of any kind are awarded; nor would it even be a good story if told in the cold details of reality. There is no indication that Kerry ever reported that the Viet Cong was wounded and fleeing when dispatched. Likewise, the citation simply ignores the presence of the soldiers and advisors who actually 'captured the enemy weapons' and routed the Viet Cong. . . . [and] that Kerry attacked a 'numerically superior force in the face of intense fire' is simply false. There was little or no fire after Kerry followed the plan. . . . The lone, wounded, fleeing young Viet Cong in a loincloth was hardly a force superior to the heavily armed Swift Boat and its crew and the soldiers carried aboard."

DRUDGE learns from UNFIT FOR COMMAND that if Kerry's superior officers knew the truth, they would never have recommended the award:

"Admiral Roy Hoffmann, who sent a Bravo Zulu (meaning "good work"), to Kerry upon learning of the incident, was very surprised to discover in 2004 what had actually occurred. Hoffmann had been told that Kerry had spontaneously beached next to the bunker and almost single-handedly routed a bunkered force in Viet Cong. He was shocked to find out that Kerry had beached his boat second in a preplanned operation, and that he had killed a single, wounded teenage foe as he fled."

"Commander Geoge Elliott, who wrote up the initial draft of Kerry's Silver Star citation, confirms that neither he, nor anyone else in the Silver Star process that he knows, realized before 1996 that Kerry was facing a single, wounded young Viet Cong fleeing in a loincloth. While Commander Elliott and many other Swiftees believe that Kerry committed no crime in killing the fleeing, wounded enemy (with a loaded or empty launcher), others feel differently. Commander Elliott indicates that a Silver Star recommendation would not have been made by him had he been aware of the actual facts."
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Like we should care what any other country thinks of us. We are the smartest, the bravest, the richest, the kindest, people in the world. The world is envious of us and to hell with them. They are a bunch of atheeists, nonChristian lowlife losers who should either do it the right way and convert to Christianity or should die and burn in hell. No more political correctness I am going to call it like it is and tell the truth.

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You too can make up a bunch of sensationalist lies about a famous admired person, drag their good name through the mud of tabloid journalism, and make a million bucks.

What about Mrs. Bush's snuffing out the life of a 17-year old boy when she ran that stop sign? And GW's coke habit? Naah, real factually based stuff like that isn't worthy on attention.
 

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EAE said:
Like we should care what any other country thinks of us. We are the smartest, the bravest, the richest, the kindest, people in the world. The world is envious of us and to hell with them. They are a bunch of atheeists, nonChristian lowlife losers who should either do it the right way and convert to Christianity or should die and burn in hell. No more political correctness I am going to call it like it is and tell the truth.

EAE

While I don't think our actions should be dictated by foreign countries popular opinion, I do think it is relevant. BTW, maybe you should reread Matthew 28:19-20. That's what you are called to do, not to damn, that's for God to do.
 

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Oh so your taking the non-Christian side. A lot of people on this board are in big trouble. Eternity wise.

EAE
 

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"You too can make up a bunch of sensationalist lies about a famous admired person, drag their good name through the mud of tabloid journalism, and make a million bucks."

I think they call those documentaries and it's several million bucks. :)
 

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Oh so your taking the non-Christian side. A lot of people on this board are in big trouble. Eternity wise.

EAE

Just when I think you might actually be a real 'person' and not a ghost, you come up with this. Funny shit.
 

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I think they call those documentaries and it's several million bucks. Touche' Dogs :clap:

Among Veterans: Bush 58% Kerry 35%

48% Have Family or Friends in Iraq or Afghanistan

RasmussenReports.com


Thursday August 05, 2004--A Rasmussen Reports survey shows that military veterans prefer George W. Bush over John Kerry by a 58% to 35% margin. Those with no military service favor Kerry by ten percentage points, 51% to 41%.

The potential grassroots impact of the war issue is highlighted by the fact that 48% of Americans say they know someone who is currently serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. Among these voters, Bush currently has a ten-point advantage in the poll. Fifty-four percent (54%) of veterans know someone serving in these war zones.

When it comes to perceptions of the situation in Afghanistan and Iraq, it is likely that information from family and friends has a bigger impact than news coverage.

Overall, 47% of voters believe that Bush would make a better Commander-in-Chief than John Kerry. Forty-five percent (45%) take the opposite view and say Kerry would do a better job. This closely reflects the overall voter preference in the race for the White House (on the nights of this survey, Kerry attracted 48% of the total vote to 45% for Bush).

Veterans prefer Bush as Commander-in-Chief by a 60% to 33% margin. Fifty-four percent (54%) of veterans give the President good or excellent ratings for handling the situation in Iraq. Overall, just 43% of voters give the President such positive ratings on Iraq.

Rasmussen Reports is an independent public opinion research firm that provides daily updates on the Presidential election and the nation's economic confidence.

In August, we have released state election polls for Arkansas, New Mexico, Massachusetts, Texas, California, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia, Iowa, Georgia, Illinois, and Minnesota.

Last month, we also issued state election polls for Alabama, Florida, Maine, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Washington. These states will be updated in the next few data. Polling data from additional states will also be released.

The national telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports August 3-4, 2004. The sample included 216 military veterans. Margin of sampling error for the full sample is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Methodology.
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You too can make up a bunch of sensationalist lies about a famous admired person
Kerry's service record distorted (8/5)
http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2004_08_01_archive.html#109167970892274992
 

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EAE said:
Oh so your taking the non-Christian side. A lot of people on this board are in big trouble. Eternity wise.

EAE

Your attitude certainly isn't going to convert any of them either. Remember, Jesus associated with the tax collectors.
 

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Sixfive I find that most views about the president, either hate or love come from Americans.

I have had two parties from the US visit in the last month. (friends and family). one group would walk ten miles to vote for the president, the other group would vote just a far to vote against him.

it seems the US has a few undecided and the rest are polarized in one of these two categories.

in the cdn election knew no one that felt that way about any of the parties or the leaders

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I met 2 French women here in Vegas a couple months ago. They both have lived in the US for a few years. I ASSUMED they would be very anti-Bush, but to my surprise I found that I was debating them - with me on the LEFT, if you will.

Almost surreal to hear french accents supporting Bush. I completely agreed with them on one issue that was particularly bothering them at that time - it was that Chirac refused to attend Reagan's funural - even though he was already in S. Carolina for that summitt. We all agreed that was disgraceful.
 

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you guys have to stop worrying about what europe thinks...we heard the same garbage when reagan helped end the cold war...

the argument that was popular in large sections of the european left was the moral equivalency of the americans(mcdonald`s and holiday inn) and the soviets(gulag`s and mass graves)....

europeans regard "peace"as the good that trumps all others... and we all remember how they refused to heed the growing danger of the germans....despite the warnings of great men like winston churchill......not to mention the fact that even if saddam had 500 missiles with multiple warheads in iraq,germany,france and russia would have blocked action against saddam under any circumstances.....they were making to much money...

the same europeans left powerless by years of relative decline, falling self-confidence, and shrunken military budgets, have realized that both israel and america are more interested in self-defense than suicide. that israel and the u.s. are sovereign nations that are entitled to their defense,is irrelevant....


in the "60`s" europe actually viewed israel as a plucky little country, filled with the survivors of the worst that europe could do to them

that attitude began to change, particularly after the six day war and, even more so, after the wake of the 1973 conflict.

ironically, in the light of opec threats to europe's oil supply and the large influx of muslims,israel came to be seen as the oppressor, not the oppressed, a colonialist and "racist" (the evil zionists,of course!)....


now,anti-semitism is on the rise in europe...young muslims have replaced old nazi`s as the protagonists...and it`s not just jews that are squarely in their sights....christians and even non-radical muslims are now the targets...

not trying to open the israel/arab debate....just saying that europe is not the litmus test for any significant decisions...as a matter of fact,they are the worst example anyone could point to....


i wouldn`t worry so much about europe..or expect much help from them......they have their own problems...

europe hasn`t been right about anything in 75 years...
 

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I think the one's that still think he's a drunk is sad. He's been sober he said for 8 years. Could be they just think that the way he screws up the English language. They might think he's half in the bag.
 
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