Is it me or ......

[Aces High]

are these refs flag happy. 8 penalties against det, and 1 against gb. w/2 min left in the half.

is this the nfl or the wnfl ?

way toooooo many calls so far, maybe they have the under, hmmmmmmmm.

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ACES HIGH

 

[Nolan Dalla]

The intergrity of these games is seriously in question. Note that only the NFL has such a huge problem with its officiating. You NEVER see this kind of a game in college football. Power-mad, brain dead, half-senile part-time insurance agents are determining the outcome of a billion dollar industry. It's to the point where many of these games are a complete coin flip. Whoever gets the pass interference calls wins and covers. The other team is f*cked up the ass. I blame the announcers as well, for being total cowards -- kissing the leagues' ass fearful of gettign yanked off the air. There should be fires in the stands. These clowns should have to wear bulletproof vests. The NFL has completely destroyed the nation's greatest game. I'm f*cking sick of it.

-- Nolan Dalla

[This message has been edited by Nolan Dalla (edited 11-22-2001).]

 

[yyz]

Too many flags.....yes.

The thing is, the call on Green Bay when the qb was tossed out of bounds was weak. They were in bounds when he spun him out.

Also, the Favre fumble was not a fumble. He clearly had the ball until it hit the ground, and was jarred loose. Not a "hometown call" by me.....You would all have to agree with this one.

Let's hope for a cleaner second half.

 

[kneifl]

I must agree...

The penalties are way out of line too many flags being thrown all over the field - I think the refs are flag happy.

kneifl

 

[PacMan]

yyz - I did see the ball moving in his (Favre's) hand before it hit the ground, well before the ref returned from the replay. While it may have not been a fumble (I believe it was, and it's screwing up my under 48.5 bet, so it's not biased), the ref did the right thing by not reversing it.

I also agree completely with the roughing call. Whether or not he was out of bounds (I believe he was, for at least two steps), he was thrown to the ground out of bounds. There's no reason to do that when you have the angle to just push him. The rules clearly protect the QB, and there are reasons for it. The defenders need to know this.

The pass interference call on Westbrook was probably the more questionable call thus far.

I think officiating is just as bad in other sports. Look at the Duke/Ball State game last night. 10 of the first 13 fouls called were on Ball State. It was proof that the big name team gets the breaks. Even the announcers were questioning the fairness at that point.

My two cents.

 

[alienx]

In my short 3years of watching NFL games (football in general) I have never understood the mentality that lets those comentators their jobs. With a sport that has so many fans I can't understand how the fans doesn't raise hell. Terriable calls infront of camera are being showed several times, comentators acknowledge them as wrong and they say oh well and change the topic. In any other sport I can understand a ref having a bad call and it stands as the way it is called on the field. Footbal has the the tools of reviewing the plays and so calls and they can correct it but yet probably a sport that has the worst ruling.

I agree w/ Nolan, College Foots doesn't have this many ridicules calls. Yet they don't have the reviewing tool. What is that tell you? But nobody cares except bettors that have money on the game and it's all good when the call is helping you.

 

[aldabra]

It is very sad to see them influenced by
one of the players who have an obvious vested
interest...I think that sh*t should be flagged..."five yards and loss of down for pretending to be a ref"

 

[dr. freeze]

SO TRUE........

refs are just absolutely garbage.....the first two weeks were so good with the replacements now we are back to these guys......just absolutely terrible.....

 

[yyz]

...and how long do you need to have the ball from the time you pick it off the ground in the endzone, until the refs say it's a td?

 

[PRO190]

INCOMPETENCE....The very REASON I rarely bet the NFL........

 

[aldabra]

That was a TD unquestionably...trying to
make sure the under comes in....what BS

 

[Night Owl]

Cut the damn refs some slack for a change! Every time someone loses, it's the refs fault??? BS!!!!! Yeah, these guys are far from perfect but to all you who think you could go out there and get every call right when 22 guys are going fast as hell all the time are out and out full of crap!!! Little easier in basketball with only 10 guys on the court at one time (much smaller playing surface, to boot) and baseball is generally played at a snails pace, so not too hard to get the call right on the diamond, either. Don't really follow hockey so couldn't tell ya about that. The one thing that I agree with you all about in regards to the refs is -- especially inside 2 min like the GB-Det game -- to MAKE SURE you do get the calls right. I don't necessarily mean on the field. I think it's 100% understandable (believe it or not) for a ref to happen to miss a call with the action going so fast, etc. BUT you do have REPLAY and when there is something questionable...late in the game....that could effect how the game turns out.....then that ABSOLUTELY HAS to be replayed AND gotten right. That's the point of instant replay and it needs to be SUCCESSFULLY USED in times like that. Outside of 2 min, the coaches simply need to rely upon one another in terms of what they saw and use enough common sense to determine if it's an important enough of a play to risk losing a time out.
But please save it when it comes to what was or wasn't pass interference, personal fouls, holding, etc., ok? If you watch the entire 60 min of the game, you should probably notice that more times than not EACH TEAM gets their fare share of bad calls and more often than not, they simply even out in the end.

Night Owl

 

[Nolan Dalla]

Night Owl:

You are completely off-base. For the record, I WON my play on Detroit getting points. Criticizing the officiating in that game has NOTHING to do with my backing of one side or the other. It's just COMMON SENSE that these games are being decided by very questionable officiating. CASE IN POINT: How can you possibly defend the play where the Detroit WR caught the ball in the end zone and may (or may not) have had two feet come down. The reply booth and officials had their heads so far up their asses that they didn't even stop the game FOR WHAT AMOUNTS TO A PLAY THAT MAY DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME! Then, the next play, Detroit WR catches a ball, drags his tow across the line, and the officials wake up and review the play with a 2:45 delay. As far as pass interference calls, don't even get me started. Incidental contact gets a flag every time. It's pretty sad when you are watching a game and the FIRST THING you always do after any incomplete pass is to look at the box above where the scores are posted to make sure there is no flag. As I said, these officials are WRECKING the game. The officials and the league are operating under rules which are unenforceable and call too much upon human judgment. As I said, it's a coin flip. That's not what sport is about. It should be about skill and talent. Not an official deciding to throw a flag. I have not heard ONE PERSON say that the replacement officials were not better than this current crop of brainf*cks. Are we going to "cut them some slack" as you suggest? For $75 a ticket, and a lifetime of allegience, shouldn't we expect America's greatest game to be oversaw properly with UP-TO-DATE RULES and officials that are at least competent? If you don't see anything wrong with these games after watching the TENNESSEE spectacle on Monday Night last week (another game filled with lousy calls), or the Washington-Denver game last week (the jerks threw so many flags and stopped play so often, that the game ran OVER FOUR HOURS), or the Detroit/Green Bay game, you must not be watching the same game as the rest of us.

-- Nolan Dalla