Iverson?

[pt1gard]

this AI deal, its such a coverup, all PC pussies afraid to call his ass out ... Vescey, who has every hedda hopper on players, refuses to talk about it (why didnt he report it all these years?) or tell the truth on the punk ... and Fratello and Van gundy tried to blame the media (lo, they sever their pipeline of interviews)... Marv to his credit laffed at them, saying "You really believe that?"

yeah the media tells AI not to go to practice then they cover it up and dont report it...

Iverson says, "Its not in my hands, Its all God, hes in charge of that shit!"


Kenny Smith is miffed Larry Brown held his tongue so long, so does that make it right he covered AI's ass so long, was that the correct behavior? Its like an intervention to me, maybe AI will actually mature to age 12 ...

:argue:

He's so pathetic, exactly whats wrong with NBA and the trickle down to HS kids, where Allen musta not have paid too much attention b/c he got one of oldest quotes cockeyed, "Practice makes imperfect."

I guess larry/MJ/Magic skipped practice all the time too ...


im done diatribing, I wanna hear wilborn and kornheiser on this one

take care, pt1gard


:violin:

 

[BreakaLeg]

AI quote:
How can I make my teamates better by practicing?
WTF WTF!
I guess if you think you're the whole show you don't need your supporting cast.:shrug: :gf:

 

[buddy]

(Copied from The Sporting News)

Iverson, Brown meet to discuss trade rumors

May 7, 2002 Print it

PHILADELPHIA -- Allen Iverson wants to spend the rest of his career with the Philadelphia 76ers. Larry Brown will have the final say.

Tired of hearing rumors and unwilling to go through a summer of uncertainty, Iverson met with his coach on Tuesday, hoping to end the trade speculation.

"I'm not going nowhere and Larry Brown isn't going nowhere. He told me that," Iverson said at a hastily called news conference. "I let him know that I'm that pit bull in his yard and if anybody tries to intrude, I'm going to be the one that's going to bite and protect his home."

Last Saturday, a day after the defending Eastern Conference champions were eliminated in the first round of the playoffs by the Boston Celtics, Brown made it clear Iverson could be on the trading block if he doesn't changes his ways.

"My problems with Allen have been the same for six years," Brown said. "I love him, his competitiveness. I'm proud of the way he tries in every game. The issues are things he has control over and he'll have a problem with me if he doesn't take care of it. He has to be at practice. He has to set an example. He knows that if he's willing to do that, he'll be a Sixer for life."

Iverson missed several practices this season, sometimes using lame excuses. More than once, he didn't show up to practice because he said his son, Deuce, was sick. He sat out practice the day before Game 3 against the Celtics because of a cold.

Though he led the league in scoring for the third time, Iverson often took bad shots and didn't always get his teammates involved in the offense.

"If I can't practice, I can't practice. If I'm hurt, I'm hurt," he said. "It's not about that. It's easy to sum it up when you talk about practice. I'm supposed to be the franchise player and we're in here talking about practice -- not a game, we're talking about practice. How silly is that?

"I know I'm supposed to be there, I know I'm supposed to lead by example, I know that. I'm not shoving it aside. I know it's important, but we're talking about practice," he said.

Told it's an issue because his coach made it one, an animated Iverson said, "It's strange to me, too. We're not talking about the game, the actual game when it matters. How can I make my teammates better by practicing? They are supposed to be used to playing with me anyway."

Iverson has been through this before. Two summers ago, the Sixers completed a three-team, multiple-player deal that would have sent Iverson to Detroit, but the trade fell apart because former 76er Matt Geiger refused to waive a trade kicker in his contract that would've given him a 15 percent raise.

Scorned by the rumors, Iverson vowed he would be a team player on the court and a leader off it. For the most part, he fulfilled his promise, won the MVP award last season and helped the Sixers reach the NBA Finals for the first time in 18 years, losing to the Los Angeles Lakers.

But he reverted to his old self this year.

"If I'm supposed to be the best in the world, why am I in here, why am I dealing with this?" said Iverson, who demanded the news conference continue when a team official tried to bring it to an end. "I don't want to deal with this. This is where I want to be. I love this place. I love my teammates. I don't have no problems with Coach Brown at all. He has a problem with me about lifting, and I don't know what this thing is about practice because I haven't been missing practice. But I don't have a problem with this organization. I don't want to lose and then all summer go through this."

Copyright 2002 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

 

[SixFive]

I'm sure I'll be in the minority here, but I don't care if Iverson practices or not. The team is better with him, nobody can deny that, and he proved it this year. He's a great player, and nobody in the league can hold him. He gives 120% during the game. What I don't like are people like Webber and all of the Clippers who might make every practice but get out there during the game and just quit playing at the end if they are down! Iverson comes to play and play hard at gametime. Practice, schmacktice. Big deal. If you're that good, who cares, u don't need practice. Long live #3!

 

[THE KOD]

Iverson represents the bad in the NBA. No practice huh. OK so your making 10 million a year and are set for the rest of your life. Its like a working man who calls in sick and says my son is sick. Well ok where is your wife. Get the nanny. But come to work Allan.

Practice is where you blend with your teammates to get better. Practice is a pain in the butt but if you enjoy playing basketball you go. Maybe he didnt learn that in High School. Or maybe they didnt make him practice in high school. Then he comes up with
"my 7 year old daughter has to deal with this in school.'

Screw that shit. what a moron. Who cares what his daughter goes through at school, she comes home to the 7 million dollar mansion and is happy as hell like the rest of the family.

Brown will never make that team playoff contenders again. The trade with Atlanta has sucked with Ratliff not being able to contribute, but we were so glad to get rid of mutumbo it wasnt funny. Mutumbo is a really good person, but he has that attitude of a NBA star. He is the one that probably went to Brown and said ...Look if AI dont practice , then I dont have to practice. See ya at the games.

Just that stupid look he has when fouls go against him shows you he is a loser. The team is in more turmoil than we know. Losing to Boston hurt bad. Maybe if they all went to practice things would be differant but I doubt it. OK AI dont come to practice next year.
Tradebait but no one will take AI and his troubles,ego, and wont practice but will show up to games attitude.


Scott-Atlanta

 

[auspice]

The practice thingy!!! Two years ago Allen Iverson was fined over 140 times during the season for being late/not showing for practice.

Keep in mind what is being attempted to accomplish in an nba practice DURING the season. 80% of a teams practice sessions are about defense. Sure there's the shoot arounds and foul shooting and some individual work, but most of the time as a unit is spent on defensive schemes. I imagine it's even more important this year as all the defensive rules changed and ALL teams changed their defensive schemes to incorporate the new rules and strategies.

Coach Brown does have a reputation of pissing players off but geez...how is anybody going to coach this ten cent attitude that this millionaire talent brings late to practice everyday?

 

[dr. freeze]

what is AI's FG%?

that in itself should be enough of a reason for him to not only be at practice but the first one there and the last one to leave.....with the amount of shots he takes.....

 

[ferdville]

Obviously I never coached at the Pro or college level, but I coached at the high school level and I can tell you one thing for sure - it makes a hell of a lot of difference who practices with the team. I coached the CIF Player of the Year in my division one time. If she (yeah, girls bb) didn't show for practice, I cannot imagine what kind of shambles the team would have been in. What sort of rhythm could we have developed without our best and most domiinant offensive player in practice? How could we go through the plays? How could we go over full court press? Half-couirt press? Buzzer beaters? In-bound passes? The list goes on and on. These are things that good teams work on every day of the week. You simply cannot take your best player out of this equation on any type of basis. Not to mention what this does to team unity. There isn't a coach in the country that could defend a player, regardless of skill, missing practice, espcially in basketball. On top of all of that - I would have been embarrassed, felt like I was being punked, etc. But the NBA is all about $$$$$ - so this kind of stuff is allowed to happen. Some owners would never allow it, however and that is a good thing.

 

[auspice]

Good point Dr. Freeze

Just looked it up at www.nba.com

AI shot .398 this season. ugghh

 

[hello there]

Can someone tell me what Brown said about Iverson that caused this controversy in the first place????

 

[dr. freeze]

yep for a guy who shoots 39.8% and doesn't think he needs to practice tells you a lot about him.......what a selfish punk......

had to listen to all his self-pity stories like he is the only one in this world who has lost close friends or the like...telling everyone that they shoudl spend 1 minute in his place.....made me want to puke....maybe AI should go spend a summer in Ethiopia or Afghanistan and maybe he will realize how blessed he really is....he needs to get his eyes of himself and start thinking about his teammates and everyone else.....everyone has hurt inside and when Mike Tyson adn AI assume that they are the only ones who do it just goes to show how these guys think that they live in a whole different world then the rest of us....

 

[AR182]

Hey pt1gard(Greg).....good to "see" you.Hope to see more of you.Are you making picks here?

I was going to point out the same thing Dr.Freeze stated,AI IMO is nothing but a chucker with a bad shooting percentage.i think he is way over-rated.
Some of these ballplayers seem to not understand the concept of team sports & the importance of practicing & being on the same page.The Knicks also have a player,Spreewell, who acts like going to practice is a disease.The reason Van Gundy is not critical of AI missing practice is because he allowed Spreewell to miss practice.IMO it is very hard for a team to succeed if you have different set of rules for players.

HelloThere...I am pretty sure that what caused the controversy was that Brown said, after Phil. was ousted from the playoffs,that AI should be traded.

 

[redsfann]

Any of us that are old enough to remember Dr J, Kareem, Magic or Bird -- or even guys like Don Nelson and Lenny Wilkins to go back even farther-- could you even imagine them saying the kind of crap that Iverson said yesterday? I can't.....

 

[Palmetto Pimp]

AI shot .398 this season.

Ok over 50% of his shots are in the lane after hes HACKED by at least 2 people then throws up a shot in hopes of a conversion. Half the time hell make that shot! He will be shooting foul shots to make up for his misses.
I want to see how many shots people in here will make after being fouled while shooting. Then see how high your FG PCT is.
Not too mention who else is gonna shoot on this team???


Three letters......
M-V-P

 

[dr. freeze]

when you get fouled your missed shot doesn't calculate into your field goal percentage......however your makes do......that means that his percentage as a result of fouls = 100% meaning that his shots without being fouled are way less % thatn 39.8%

maybe if Allen went to practice and got behind his teamates he could motivate them to improve their games like Jordan, Magic, and Bird have done before him

 

[ferdville]

Who wants to play on his team? You never know when you will see the ball. You can't have a set offense. I'm sure nobody dares criticize the dude. Again - who would want to play with him?

 

[pt1gard]

AR ... Dr. Freeze etc

AR ... Dr. Freeze etc

Iverson is simply a terrible shooter, no one in their right mind can deny that ... take away his breakaways (which are great, Im a coach I love them) and his FG from perimeter shrinks to something akin to Chris Dudley's FT % ....

last year,as AI "led" 76ers to finals, his playoff FG (this is from memory was app. 38% ... others have cited this year's Reg. season 39.8%, but he followed that up with 38% vs Celts, and dont even get into his trey %, thats laffing stock numbers, 33% vs Celts and 29% for year ...


for his career he shoots 42% overall and 32% treys ... and to top it off, his CAREER PLAYOFF FG% is a putrid 39% ...

other HOFs playoff FG%

magic 51%
Jordan 49%
bird 47%
west 47%
oscar 46%


Im sorry, you have delve pretty deep into the annals to find like #s for any so-called Superstar ... actaully, I'd love to see worse post 1965 ...


my point is, and I'd love to hear contrary, Since i began watching NBA ball in 60s I have never witnessed a player take more bad/forced shots game in game out than the Hoya Throwa ...

I read Pete Carrill's book (then @ Princeton) about 20 years ago when I first began to coach, he had some awesome insights about team play ... "You can tell a lot about a kid's personality by the way he plays the game. If he never passes the ball during a pick up game, he's probably a selfish friend. And one I will put a mental blackline through and not recruit."

Go pity yourself Allen, you deserve it ...

take care, pt1gard moon1

 

[Palmetto Pimp]

when you get fouled your missed shot doesn't calculate into your field goal percentage......however your makes do......that means that his percentage as a result of fouls = 100% meaning that his shots without being fouled are way less % thatn 39.8%


my bad freeze, didnt realize that

 

[Phanatic]

You're out of line pal.

 

[Billy]

Pre....ma....donna.....itis.....affects roughly 23.6% of NBA players...
this from an inside source.......although I believe it is much, much
higher.....