JR Miller's proffesional gambler newsletter

Fred

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Started from a thread about Bob McCune.

I ran into him via JRMiller. JRs web site is very informative as well. Picked up a lot of info from him, but his picks are so so. But he seems to be very honest and has helped with my education.


I'm embarrassed to admit that i'm a former subscriber to professional gambler newsletter.

Other forums are littered with negative experiences of him and i've felt no need to add to what's been said there. However if there are people here at MJs who don't know, i suggest they do some searches.

JR Miller is not a professional gambler he's a professional salesman.

I agree the info at his site is great and he seems a really nice guy -- it's all part of the scam.

When challenged on his long term record he never gives a straight answer, simply refers people to his (short term) 'Track Us Here' page. A winning month or season in one sport and you'll hear plenty about it. You won't hear the truth, the whole truth.

He'll use red herrings like (paraphrasing) "we bet a lot of moneyline (dog) plays so sure we'll have a lower percentage but we're interested in making money not a high winning percentage".

Of course moneyline plays make w/l percentage
meaningless. But this true statement is used to distract you from the horror of his record be that m/l or ATS.

I still get emails from him with stuff like "if you'd been with us over the last 10 days you would have made $1100 betting $100". It would be more interesting and meaningful to hear what would have happened over the last year -- but that's a very different story.

At his site he used to claim 56% to 58% ATS and m/l equivalent. At least he has the decency to take that away.

He loses and sometimes loses big (-44 units in Aug '99). Down many (don't know exact figure) units over the last 12 months

The quality of cappers here at MJs is far superior to anything JR could give you.

btw got a McCune book and really like it.

To be fair, I like JR's NFL book too.

I honestly prefer not to say or write harsh words about anyone. Hoping this might help someone save their bankroll.

edited for spelling


[This message has been edited by Fred (edited 04-29-2001).]
 

Trampled Underfoot

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Fred,
Glad to hear someone else's opinion on JR. I've never really heard anyone elses take on him. I did subscribe to his service for two months, but, never wagered any serious money. However, I do think the information he provides on 'money mangement etc' are very valuable. Once again I would recommend that no one actually pay for his services has I have tracked him off and on for almost a year and his results are nothing to write home about. You will get better information if you are selective on this web site. I'll never pay a significant amount of money for anyone's selections. I only have one place that I buy selections from that charges the same amount for the entire year that JR charges for a month. I wont mention that here though for obvious reasons. I do think you are right on about JR though.
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Skinar

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I guess I'll get flamed for this, but I've been a JR subscriber for about 4 years now. I keep detailed records on his results, by league. Overall, in the past 4 years, he is down some money in all sports combined. Starting in November of last year he hit a really bad streak and went down over 150 units until this past month. Right now he is up over 20 units in MLB. Up until this streak (which I think came about partly due to the death of his brother), he was UP overall, in the past 4 years, all sports combined.

As much as anything, I enjoy the writeups and money management advice that JR publishes. I don't always play his picks, I'm one of those guys who tracks a lot of people but can't pick his own nose. I think JR is an honest guy. Salesman? Sure. But still an honest guy.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Have tried to find outside source for years which monitored him,and finally he stepped out on limb to enter Ultimate Football Challenge last year.Here is his year ending results finishing towards botton of list in 50th place.The - 3680 is units won or lost.

J.R. Miller - professionalgambler.com -3680
 

Skinar

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DTB -

Yep. He had a horrible year after November 1st in everything, NFL, NHL, NBA. Two years ago he ended up over 40 units in the NFL. I still enjoy his writings and find a lot of good information on his site, again, relating to money management. Like most 'cappers, he has his ups and downs.
 

Houston Gambler

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I started the Bob McCune thread.I didn't reply to Trampled when he brought up JR's name because I didn't want to get it started.
I just look at JR as part of my education as a sports bettor.IMO his football book is the best written.
 

Whale

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Hi! I also subscribed to his letter late last year (boy was that a mistake!), in general it was average some good info, but I guess when you subscribe in the middle of a horendous losing streak thats what you get.

Skinar, I too have tracked him (and a few others) for some time, I would be interested in discussing this with you at some point?
 

Houston Gambler

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I tracked him for about a year.Track as you may but you will find some excelent cappers in places like this.The last time I talked to Bob McCune he laughed when I told him how long I've been playing,and told me I was just getting started.LONG TERM.

I think you never stop learning in this endeavor.Possibly that's happend to JR as he has gotten older.I do know he works as hard as the rest of us.
 
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