Julio Wins

[weepaul]

Julio beat Smith on points. He only won by 2 points on the judges cards.

Yet again Smith proved he had the skill to hang with Julio but did not let his hands go consistently until the last 2 rounds.

 

[punchmaster]

Julio beat Smith on points. He only won by 2 points on the judges cards.

Yet again Smith proved he had the skill to hang with Julio but did not let his hands go consistently until the last 2 rounds.

I kind of like what I saw with the 23 year old Julio, some versatility and not just go forward throwing punches which would have played into Smith's hands. Julio mixed in left hands(body) to open up Smith a bit and even tried to counterpunch the counterpuncher a few times. Smith's a pain in the ass to fight and the young man passed the test.

 

[MayorgaFan]

Personally I think Julio looked like crap. he is brutally slow and really didn't land much of anything clean. Julio's future isn't much, in fact I thought Smith beat him tonight.

 

[punchmaster]

Personally I think Julio looked like crap. he is brutally slow and really didn't land much of anything clean. Julio's future isn't much, in fact I thought Smith beat him tonight.

I'm sure your #1 admirer, box thought the same.

Sounds like a good fade for you in the future then when he steps it up but 3 judges thought he won and the rap on Smith was not busy enough and reluctance to let his hands go and the fight followed the exact script that Graham Houston, and "my man" laid out. It's not like Smith was rolling and landing flush counters- he was missing a lot and he was crap.

 

[MayorgaFan]

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Julio got the decision, based on what I have no idea. The judges really seem to like the guy. They give him fights that he didn't really win, first the Cosme Rivera fight and now this fight. Ishe controlled the fight and won pretty clearly. Julio threw more and barely landed anything. Smith landed the more effective punches in more rounds, that is why he should have won the fight. Yes, Julio is EXCELLENT fade materiqal though you got that part right. :142smilie

 

[Romi]

I thought Julio won the fight. Much like the Hop/Zags fight, if you don't let your hands go then you don't deserve the nod. Defense doesn't score pts. I can't see giving smith rds when he would do nothing for 30 secs at a time and then occasionally throw a few punches. Smith was more effective when he let em go but he was way too reluctant. I wasn't impressed w/Julio either but he clearly made the fight. I disagree w/Atlas that Julio is star material. He is beatable and Quintana would beat him again. Smith COULD be a force but he won't be. He is more talented than Julio but as I said yesterday, he doesn't have the mental fortitude to step it up. Smith should come right back and get on espn again but he'll sulk and bitch about the dec and take 6 mnts off.

 

[gardenweasel]

was a solid analysis of smith,romi...i thought,given his age and the fact that a 5 round loss to mora hardly even counts.... and the loss to powell was no disgrace...

i figured smith might turn it up...it could have been a career reaffirming fight...

we`ve all seen guys that seem either not to comprehend the flow of fights they`re in,or just don`t have another gear....smith is one of those guys,although i thought teddy`s scorecard was way off...it was close...

smith just doesn`t have that something...or doesn`t care...

 

[BOXLOCKS]

I'm sure your #1 admirer, box thought the same.

Actually, I'm his #2 admirer...

His #1 admirer would be Joey who makes the boxing odds for most of the offshore books you play at, and he was one of the best boxing cappers on the net before joining the enemy. Joey admitted MF is the best boxing guy he's ever seen, other than himself of course. I'm very lucky to have MF in private communication, he's given me plenty of winners over the last few years, none of which I posted here as they were not my plays, just extra income for me on top of my own profits

MF doesn't post his plays on the internet, and for good reason, the difference between him and you is that he doesn't post his winners after the fights are over. The difference between Romi and you is that Romi posts most of his plays before the fights, and even when he posts some plays afterward he always includes his losers along with his winners...weasel does the same thing...and they're both class acts


The kicker here is that while you "might" be able to keep up with me in this game (of course we'll never know as you're not man enough to post all your plays before the fights go off) anyway you might keep up with me but MF is way out of your league

Trust me, I've seen both of your work and there's a reason why I have huge respect for MF and zero respect for you. Its got less to do with your ego, your spineless pastposting, or the blatant lie you gave as an excuse for pastposting in a previous thread...lol. My opinions are based on what I've seen from both of you and its obvious that MF is at least one class above you as a boxing capper. Nothing personal, just comparing the knowledge, information, and plays I get from MF as opposed to the average bs I've seen from you

Don't worry punchie, you have an admirer around here somewhere, I think its the paranoid guy who thinks everyone is fading him...lol


This situation is a microcosm of this forum (and yes we all have vocabularies around here, but not all of us feel the need to use unnecessary words when talking about boxing amongst gambling degenerates...lol). Anyway, this is just a typical example of what always happens around here. Punchy past posts on a regular basis and rarely posts a play in time to help out the rest of us, and yet I'm the only one calling bullsh!t. On the other hand, I've done nothing but post winners and answer questions (before the fights happen) for the last 6 years, and what do I get in return...

frankie calling me out for using the phrase "sure thing favorites"...even though I was only referring to previous bets that had already cashed...all of them. I already posted that my wording was an exageration and that everyone knows there's no such thing as a sure thing. When I brought up the other fights that were "sure thing favorites" I was merely making the point that sometimes the outcome of a fight is predetermined by the promotion. Hell no I didn't know ahead of time, but it sure was obvious afterward. And trust me, someone knew about every one of those fixes...and for those insiders, it was definitly a "sure thing favorite"...


Sorry about the reality check boys...let me know if you have anymore questions...always glad to help those who deserve it


gl bl

 

[MayorgaFan]

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I don't worry to much about people like Punchy. Joel Julio is what he is and that's not a good thing in the long run. Some people don't handle differing opinions that great which is fine. Not like I have some kind of vandetta against Julio. Funny enough I actually bet him VERY BIG on the Rivera fight that I thought he lost. My scoring though is just based on who I think wins or losses, who I bet is irrelevant. I bet some stuff that losses but of well, that's part of gambling, being able to handle losing. I just don't get to defensive over what people say these days because I don't care much anywways. Some guy like Punchy can take a shot at me and I really don't care. I post on these forums more for fun anyways. I don't think there's anything wrong with the term you used either. A lot of times there are fights that if they go to the cards the hometown guy is absolutely getting the benefit of the doubt.

 

[punchmaster]

I don't worry to much about people like Punchy. Joel Julio is what he is and that's not a good thing in the long run. Some people don't handle differing opinions that great which is fine. Not like I have some kind of vandetta against Julio. Funny enough I actually bet him VERY BIG on the Rivera fight that I thought he lost. My scoring though is just based on who I think wins or losses, who I bet is irrelevant. I bet some stuff that losses but of well, that's part of gambling, being able to handle losing. I just don't get to defensive over what people say these days because I don't care much anywways. Some guy like Punchy can take a shot at me and I really don't care. I post on these forums more for fun anyways. I don't think there's anything wrong with the term you used either. A lot of times there are fights that if they go to the cards the hometown guy is absolutely getting the benefit of the doubt.

I didn't take a shot at anyone (except bitchlox), just disagreed with you thinking Smith won. If you think Smith won, I have to think maybe you thought Hopkins won? Got to throw punches to win fights.

 

[MayorgaFan]

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I didn't take a shot at anyone (except bitchlox), just disagreed with you thinking Smith won. If you think Smith won, I have to think maybe you thought Hopkins won? Got to throw punches to win fights.

Box hadn't even posted in this thread so it seemed like you was taking a shot at me for some reason or another. Actually no, I thought Hopkins lost and did so clearly. Calzaghe actually landed punches. Julio landed very little cleanly. While Smith didn't throw a ton he did land pretty decently when he did throw. In fact for a supposed puncher Julio wasn't even punching that hard.

 

[frank s.]

No matter how hard you try boxlocks, you won't win any converts with the "lock" remarks. Saying something was OBVIOUS AFTER it happened is absurd. Take it like a man. Sure, there are "orchestrated" events where the factors are so contrived that the outcome is ALMOST assured. I'm betting Jensen to beat a Frenchman in France tonite. What chance do I have? Probably not good. As weasel says, don't aganist a German in Germany. At any rate, you are a very fine boxing analyst and an outstanding contribution here. I'm done. You can have the last word here. I won't retort as this is getting boring.

 

[punchmaster]

Box hadn't even posted in this thread so it seemed like you was taking a shot at me for some reason or another. Actually no, I thought Hopkins lost and did so clearly. Calzaghe actually landed punches. Julio landed very little cleanly. While Smith didn't throw a ton he did land pretty decently when he did throw. In fact for a supposed puncher Julio wasn't even punching that hard.

Na- no reason whatsoever for me to take a shot at you. I don't want to harp on this because I'm more concerned with understanding fighters and making money but I started out saying that Julio did fairly well against a difficult style to look against, and then you chimed in and said you thought Julio looked like crap and I didn't take that as a shot against me, so me coming back and saying Smith didn't move his hands enough and looked like crap was not shot against you.

I agree Julio doesn't look like any world beater and lost some of his physical advantages at 154. He just showed a little more vesatility than I expected in occasionally going off the back foot, using both hands, and doing some counterpunching as opposed to just going forward, throwing punches and playing into Smith's hands. I just think that Smith is hard to look good against with that Mayweatherish defensive style but he fit the description perfectly on the rap against him that he doesn't let his hands go enough so he loses his right to complain in these close decision losses.

Cheers

 

[punchmaster]

. At any rate, you are a very fine boxing analyst and an outstanding contribution here. .

That was never in question, box obviously knows what he's doing, but there's a very fragile ego or something going on that's not right and he wants so bad to be the forum king/leader and wants his ass kissed. An obvious indicator of that is when Romi congratulated me on a pick and Box felt the need to jump in and point out that I wasn't the first to post it and if Romi has just followed his lead he could have made money... fricken pathetic.