This should be a very entertaining fight between 2 fighters with completely different styles who do not like each other. Judah is a very good boxer and is, in my opinion, the class of this division. He has a huge speed, quickness, and agility advantage over Tszyu and also has more power than he's given credit for. Tszyu is a typical European fighter who fights straight-up and stiff and is below average defensively. His only loss was to Vince Phillips back in 1997. Tszyu was basically ambushed in this fight as nobody though Phillips had a shot and Tszyu admittedly didn't take him seriously. Both of these fighters are very passionate about their sport and full of confidence, so that should not be a factor. I think Judah wins this fight, but can't lay -300 on him because of one major item. Tszyu has one-punch KO ability at any time in any round, especially with a brutal over-the-top right hand. I think the better play is the Under 11' rounds as I don't think this fight will go the distance.
Kostya Tszyu vs Zab Judah
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nice job boxing partner,jack even took some under action with us he has cashed 2 stright fights got him on the under in the hopkins fight ,he had to hope and pray on that one,hope to see you superbowl take care hope all is well.
Glad you guys cashed....It doesn't get much easier than that. I was dissapointed that the fight didn't go a bit longer. Would have been a great fight between 2 fighters with contrasting styles. Maybe a rematch?
Comments on the stoppage:
In almost every bout where the fight is stopped because of a ref's judgement call (unless the boxer is out on his feet) there is going to be controversy, and this fight was no exception. I have seen some horribly officiated matches and plenty of premature stoppages (with, perhaps, the Meldrick Taylor/Chavez fight being the worst). Tonight's fight was NOT one of them. There is absolutely no doubt in mind that Jay Nady made the right decision. We have to remember that THE most important role of the referee is to ensure the fighters' safety. We, the viewers, have the luxury of hindsight and it's easy for us to say that Judah looked fine shortly after the fight was called. But, that was AFTER the fight was called. Nady didn't have this luxury, he was operating in real time. The way I saw it (and Nady too for that matter) and the way it unfolded was as follows: Tszyu caught him with a solid shot, a bomb, and Judah dropped like a brick. This was not a flash knockdown, as some of the announcers reported. A flash knockdown is when the fighter is caught off guard, maybe off balance, but ISNT hurt. He gets up quickly and still has all his faculties. The fact that Judah DID get up quick gave the appearance of a flash knockdown, but in reality it probably cost him the fight, or at least the chance to continue. In my opinion, Judah let his pride get to him and he wanted to pop right back up to show the world that he wasn't hurt. He was. Almost every boxing trainer worth his salt will preach the following: When you get knocked down, take the full 9 seconds. Accept the 10-second gift that boxing allows to gather yourself, both physically and emotionally. You don't get penalized for it, a knockdown is a knockdown. Judah didn't do this. When he got floored, at almost the precise moment that Nady began the count, he sprung up about as fast as he went down, pointed a glove at somebody to show he "wasn't hurt", and then proceeded to fall face first AGAIN into the canvas. At this point, Nady SHOULD have called the fight, and he did. The fact that there was only a second or so left in the round is irrelevant. The referree is not the timekeeper. Let's assume that there were say 3-5 seconds left in the round, Nady let him continue, and Tszyu came after him and tagged him with another viscious punch, maybe even AFTER the bell. Not intentionally, but in the heat of battle. It happens all the time in boxing, and although it is technically against the rules, the punch does damage just the same. I can say, almost without reservation, that if Judah would have simply sat up, took 8 or 9 seconds to gather himself while the round ended, he would have been out there for round 3. Judah is only 24 years old, is incredibly talented, and has a bright future in this sport. Young fighters who are undefeated often have an aura of invincibility about them, which of course is self-serving. I think Judah will be a better fighter because of what happened tonight and will probably garner a few belts in his time. But he is no longer undefeated, and for that, he has nobody to blame but himself.
Comments on the stoppage:
In almost every bout where the fight is stopped because of a ref's judgement call (unless the boxer is out on his feet) there is going to be controversy, and this fight was no exception. I have seen some horribly officiated matches and plenty of premature stoppages (with, perhaps, the Meldrick Taylor/Chavez fight being the worst). Tonight's fight was NOT one of them. There is absolutely no doubt in mind that Jay Nady made the right decision. We have to remember that THE most important role of the referee is to ensure the fighters' safety. We, the viewers, have the luxury of hindsight and it's easy for us to say that Judah looked fine shortly after the fight was called. But, that was AFTER the fight was called. Nady didn't have this luxury, he was operating in real time. The way I saw it (and Nady too for that matter) and the way it unfolded was as follows: Tszyu caught him with a solid shot, a bomb, and Judah dropped like a brick. This was not a flash knockdown, as some of the announcers reported. A flash knockdown is when the fighter is caught off guard, maybe off balance, but ISNT hurt. He gets up quickly and still has all his faculties. The fact that Judah DID get up quick gave the appearance of a flash knockdown, but in reality it probably cost him the fight, or at least the chance to continue. In my opinion, Judah let his pride get to him and he wanted to pop right back up to show the world that he wasn't hurt. He was. Almost every boxing trainer worth his salt will preach the following: When you get knocked down, take the full 9 seconds. Accept the 10-second gift that boxing allows to gather yourself, both physically and emotionally. You don't get penalized for it, a knockdown is a knockdown. Judah didn't do this. When he got floored, at almost the precise moment that Nady began the count, he sprung up about as fast as he went down, pointed a glove at somebody to show he "wasn't hurt", and then proceeded to fall face first AGAIN into the canvas. At this point, Nady SHOULD have called the fight, and he did. The fact that there was only a second or so left in the round is irrelevant. The referree is not the timekeeper. Let's assume that there were say 3-5 seconds left in the round, Nady let him continue, and Tszyu came after him and tagged him with another viscious punch, maybe even AFTER the bell. Not intentionally, but in the heat of battle. It happens all the time in boxing, and although it is technically against the rules, the punch does damage just the same. I can say, almost without reservation, that if Judah would have simply sat up, took 8 or 9 seconds to gather himself while the round ended, he would have been out there for round 3. Judah is only 24 years old, is incredibly talented, and has a bright future in this sport. Young fighters who are undefeated often have an aura of invincibility about them, which of course is self-serving. I think Judah will be a better fighter because of what happened tonight and will probably garner a few belts in his time. But he is no longer undefeated, and for that, he has nobody to blame but himself.
