Live Poker.1/2 NL, some thoughts/questions....

[NySportsfan]

Fellas,
merry xmas eve......Went the other day for the first time ever and played 1-2 NL cash game at an "underground casino" here in Long Island, kind of rounders-esque as you it's up the steps of a building and you have to be rang up, but very nice and well run, etc, aside from a $5 time charge 1/2 yr its normal....anyway, I am not a live player and my game is more conducive to online (pretty straight forward not into fancy plays)....but I know BDB tpaine and a few other guys are real knowledgable and quality enough guys to put some thoughjts here for others that might have the same ?'s, wsop jackson im sure knows too.....
Basically, it is night and day to online imo, at least this game.....avg preflop raise to $15 as opposed to $8-10 online, lot of preflop raises to $20-25 and 3-4 callers habitually, most flop/turn/river bets of $30-50, etc, so the 1-2 blinds are really not indicative of the pots, and very fast moving too with stupid mopes at the tables, hence my ipod, I think learning limit is better and more calculating and cut and dry than no limit ring games
a few strategtic issues I ran into problems with.....1) essentially raised it to $15-$20 the 5-6 times in 2.5 hrs I had AQ,AJs and AK, and TT, and the one hand I got paid on KK......I hit one flop with my AK and played it poorly and lost, the other times I missed the flop entirely......so usually I'd check the flop and then fold, is it correct to lead out out of position at that pot, 4 handed I cant imagine it is.......and, when checked to me heads up with AQ and a blank board, I bet $25 into the guy, he calls, then checks to me and I check behind him to another blank on river.......he bet $30 and I folded, weak/passive play I suppose.........
2) I know I'm all over the map but wtf do you do when you have those ak,aq types and miss flop entirely? usually firing one bullet and done doesnt work, need to follow through......lost $90 or so on the day no big deal, was nervous though w/movements and etiquette etc b/c not used to it and every joint is different.....i'll post some more stuff later but I;m sure nobody gives a crap on xmas eve I'm just bored, lol, but just any general thoughts/questions/ideas/musings etc about online v. live, good flop/turn/river general advice, or some tips for limit, would love to hear em, jee did my dumb a$$ ask enough questions, sorry in advance for my rambling I apologize:sadwave: :sadwave:

 

[tpaine07]

I had a chat with a very good online cash game player reguarding the same sort of situation. When playing AK/AQ and being the raiser preflop, when you get 3-4 callers you have be able to lay it down and not try to make a huge stab at the pot. This is more important online IMO, but also is true in real games. I was losing most of my pots online trying to make a continuation bet into a pot with 3-4 preflop callers after missing the board. You said that you didn't lead out with 4 people in the post, IMO thats a correct play unless you know the players are weak.

The play you made with AQ with taking a stab on the pot, then checking down was fine, He could have had nothing and you take it down there, nothing wrong with that. Sometimes you just don't hit the flops or get the cards.

Like I said earlier, Im going to try to adapt my game to not fire bullets after missing AK like flops into 3-4 people. If im late in position and its checked to me, I'd probably try to take it down, but I wouldn't lead out if I totally miss.

goodluck and it seems like you played fine given the lack of hitting flops and cards.

 

[SixFive]

sounds like a very active, extremely LOOSE game which means there's lots of money to be made. I'm no expert, but I think position is very important here, and I would guess these calling stations are going to be very susceptible to re-raises. I think playing only quality hands and waiting on cards is important in this type of game. If you're going to play trash and try to hit it, make sure you have position (don't be calling with q/k under the gun at this table). Also, there's a lot to be said for slow-playing hands and outplaying people after the flop. GL!!

 

[NySportsfan]

sounds like a very active, extremely LOOSE game which means there's lots of money to be made. I'm no expert, but I think position is very important here, and I would guess these calling stations are going to be very susceptible to re-raises. I think playing only quality hands and waiting on cards is important in this type of game. If you're going to play trash and try to hit it, make sure you have position (don't be calling with q/k under the gun at this table). Also, there's a lot to be said for slow-playing hands and outplaying people after the flop. GL!!

Well, you're right I think, onlinemy avg raise is to $10 in 1/2 NL if im the raiser early, or to $20 or more of a bunch of limpers, in this it was always to $15-20 initially, and large flop bets....And people making quick, quick decisons which I wasnt used to.......I tried to shake things up a little by getting in w/64s, Q9s and some others in early position hoping for no raise, but it usually got raised........maybe re-raising even w/o position (say in the sb or more likely w/position, then maybe theyd check to you on the flop)......slow playing can work, but I made a critical mistake when I had AK w/4 people and didnt bet the flop, idiotiic......granted, i raised $15 preflop to 3 callers, an ace flopped with 2 rags and I checked behind them, stupid stupid move....flop was an 8, I bet $25 or $30, one caller, bet $40 on river to another blank after he checked to me, and he turns over 87 offsuit, he turned 2 pair on me....just wacky, I think limit might be the way to go live-wise, no limit's a free for all as $200 roll to one person is nothing when to another it's something....so much strategy and nuttiness, thanks for the reply trying to gather as much info as possible and decipher what my plan of action will be my next trip later this week

 

[tpaine07]

Well, you're right I think, onlinemy avg raise is to $10 in 1/2 NL if im the raiser early, or to $20 or more of a bunch of limpers, in this it was always to $15-20 initially, and large flop bets....And people making quick, quick decisons which I wasnt used to.......I tried to shake things up a little by getting in w/64s, Q9s and some others in early position hoping for no raise, but it usually got raised........maybe re-raising even w/o position (say in the sb or more likely w/position, then maybe theyd check to you on the flop)......slow playing can work, but I made a critical mistake when I had AK w/4 people and didnt bet the flop, idiotiic......granted, i raised $15 preflop to 3 callers, an ace flopped with 2 rags and I checked behind them, stupid stupid move....flop was an 8, I bet $25 or $30, one caller, bet $40 on river to another blank after he checked to me, and he turns over 87 offsuit, he turned 2 pair on me....just wacky, I think limit might be the way to go live-wise, no limit's a free for all as $200 roll to one person is nothing when to another it's something....so much strategy and nuttiness, thanks for the reply trying to gather as much info as possible and decipher what my plan of action will be my next trip later this week

It seems like you just had a learning experience with one of your first live experiences. You know what you did wrong.. Not betting with the A flopping and the trying to limp in bad position with garbage hands. Just go play again and win some $. These guys seem like donks who will throw their cash away. One thing I like doing online is raising with the hands you stated (64s/Q9s) when I have position. However if every player is a calling station this makes it alot less effective and hard to isolate someone after the flop. Go play again and win big.

 

[NySportsfan]

It seems like you just had a learning experience with one of your first live experiences. You know what you did wrong.. Not betting with the A flopping and the trying to limp in bad position with garbage hands. Just go play again and win some $. These guys seem like donks who will throw their cash away. One thing I like doing online is raising with the hands you stated (64s/Q9s) when I have position. However if every player is a calling station this makes it alot less effective and hard to isolate someone after the flop. Go play again and win big.

Thanks bro, appreciate it :SIB especially after my brother and buddy ripped me after playing "akwardly" live, etc....but yeah, just a LOT of action, and I think might have to call down sometimes with AQ and garbage on board, they will NEVER check around......I raise with those hands sometimes that you mentioned w/position, but there are ALWAYS 2-4 callers ahead of me when im on button or close to it, so a raise is not effective like it would be online....I think re-raises w/AK etc in position might be effective and represent a big pair, problem is if theres a rainbow crap flop, they might have hit it since it's hard to tell, and not raising up like Aj or AJs and just calling b/c theyll call my raise anyway and it wouldnt isolate the field....I'm going to buy in for the max 3 bills tomorrow and hopefully dont get buried :shrug: just have to be alert and relax, thanks for the advice......i took a break from 1-2 online but gonna go back to it after the holidays, how have you been faring?