I am looking for an SUV but am not ruling out any other car. I want to spend about 24 to about 28k. Any thoughts. I lilke the XTerra by Nissan so far the best and the Jeep Liberty
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Ummm most of the Honda's are built in America
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THAT ACE COULD NOT HAVE HELPED YOU!
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THAT ACE COULD NOT HAVE HELPED YOU!
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Not to get in a huge debate, but even though you are right when you say most Hondas (and Toyotas) are built in America--they are in no way built in the same environment. The big three auto manufacturers are some of the worst run businesses in this country. I worked as a supplier for them for several years, and the quality that comes out of those plants is ridiculous.
It is not that none of the workers care, but the group of bad seeds is ruining that business. If it wasn't for patriotism, those companies would probably be out of business.
They have 3-4 people doing a job that 1 person does in the Honda/Toyota facitilies. What's amazing aobut it is the people that are working at the Japanes plants are content with their jobs, and the employees at the American plants do nothing but bitch.
I will stop now because I don't want to offend too many people. This is something I feel strongly about, though.
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Sic 'em
dawgball
[This message has been edited by dawgball (edited 10-23-2001).]
It is not that none of the workers care, but the group of bad seeds is ruining that business. If it wasn't for patriotism, those companies would probably be out of business.
They have 3-4 people doing a job that 1 person does in the Honda/Toyota facitilies. What's amazing aobut it is the people that are working at the Japanes plants are content with their jobs, and the employees at the American plants do nothing but bitch.
I will stop now because I don't want to offend too many people. This is something I feel strongly about, though.
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Sic 'em
dawgball
[This message has been edited by dawgball (edited 10-23-2001).]
Yep -- well stated dawgball....the quality of American made cars is way down....
The dude who works in the factory in America has gone from a strong work ethic, to the cryin, whining, union-molded wuss. People should feel fortunate to have a job and be able to work -- most countries you don't have such good fortune....just look at the people in Arab countries....they just sit around all day and raise hell.
Right now, the Japanese run companies have workers who like to work and feel fortunate to have a job. Our country, on the other hand, has gone from one of adventurers, settlers, and the like -- who pretty much were working 18 hours a day (the homesteader) to one who thinks they are burdened by sitting there and "working" 8 hours a day and aren't getting enough "benefits". Well, how many benefits did the settler get when he took his family out to the "new world"? One big one -- every benefit he got, was one in which he worked for and got himself....that in itself was more fulfilling than anything handed to him.
I bet when those guys came home at the end of the day, they were able to sit back and feel like they had put in a good day's work. Nothing can beat that feeling folks. Nothing can. How many Americans experience that now? Very few. Most of us want to get by with as little effort as we can and think we are "entitled" to a bunch of stuff which we really aren't. Myself included. I wish I could get that good ol' American spirit back -- the one where hard work in itself was my reward.
We seem to have lost glimpse of this by focusing on what we think we deserve when instead we should be focused on what we should be thankful for. I think we are all starting to take a second look at life now though, and maybe re-evaluate the way we look at things. Hopefully we can get back to the cliche'ish good old days.....
The dude who works in the factory in America has gone from a strong work ethic, to the cryin, whining, union-molded wuss. People should feel fortunate to have a job and be able to work -- most countries you don't have such good fortune....just look at the people in Arab countries....they just sit around all day and raise hell.
Right now, the Japanese run companies have workers who like to work and feel fortunate to have a job. Our country, on the other hand, has gone from one of adventurers, settlers, and the like -- who pretty much were working 18 hours a day (the homesteader) to one who thinks they are burdened by sitting there and "working" 8 hours a day and aren't getting enough "benefits". Well, how many benefits did the settler get when he took his family out to the "new world"? One big one -- every benefit he got, was one in which he worked for and got himself....that in itself was more fulfilling than anything handed to him.
I bet when those guys came home at the end of the day, they were able to sit back and feel like they had put in a good day's work. Nothing can beat that feeling folks. Nothing can. How many Americans experience that now? Very few. Most of us want to get by with as little effort as we can and think we are "entitled" to a bunch of stuff which we really aren't. Myself included. I wish I could get that good ol' American spirit back -- the one where hard work in itself was my reward.
We seem to have lost glimpse of this by focusing on what we think we deserve when instead we should be focused on what we should be thankful for. I think we are all starting to take a second look at life now though, and maybe re-evaluate the way we look at things. Hopefully we can get back to the cliche'ish good old days.....
Stick with a Toyota or Honda, you'll have more to gamble with as you'll need a lot less for repairs and maintenance. Take that from experience.
I currently drive a 2000 honda accord. I like the car and have had no problems but I think I want an SUV still. Thanks for the info
I'll never understand the SUV craze. Girlfriend insisted on getting one...I hate it. Absolutely hate it. Give me an Accord anyday. Got lucky with mine, as I requested a manual transmission Accord which resulted in getting one shipped directly from Japan..as stated, usually isn't the case anymore as Honda opened factories in the US.
Mrs. Spanky has driven HONDA for 16 years.Just got a new one(CRX) She got 270,000 KMS. on her prelude she just traded in for a good buck(1992).
What else can I say, I like my Lincoln but her cars are better than mine for the $$$..
Spanky...
What else can I say, I like my Lincoln but her cars are better than mine for the $$$..
Spanky...
In defense of the American SUV, I have driven both Chevy Blazers and Tahoes for the last 5-6 years and other than oil changes every 4000 miles, a few new tires, and 1-2 brake pads wearing thin, I have had absolutely no problems with these vehicles.
In terms of American SUV's, would definitely choose them over Japanese. No question. But sedans, coupes, etc..I don't think so. And when gas prices hit $1.80 here for a few months, having those gas guzzlers aren't fun.
Nissan Maxima
Great Car I am on my second one and I love it. NEVER had 1 problem with either one of them and it has great pick up.
Great Car I am on my second one and I love it. NEVER had 1 problem with either one of them and it has great pick up.
What if all the auto workers here boycoted everyone elses services in this country and purchased their products elsewhere?
My wife and i went shopping alot for a SUV last year, and to tell you i had my heart set on the Xterra,(its something about the intergrated first aid kit, that i go ga-ga for) but anyway my advice is to drive both the Xterra and Pathfinder. Reason, unless you really and i mean really use the 4 wheel drive and go offroad alot, i do not recommend the Xterra, because the pathfinder rides sooooo much smoother than did the Xterra. They told me it is because of the height clearance to the road, in which the Xterra has more, and the stifer suspension package. They designed the Xterra to actually GO offroad, hence it rides rough on the main road whereas the pathfinder is a bit more smoother on the main road. Trust me the pathfinder is worht the extra money and comfort if you try it out i think you will agree.
So i bought the pathfinder and had to go to the store and get a first aid kit and put it in the back seat, but i didnt fell as though it was "intergrated". But i do love the pathfinder over just about everything else in the suv class for the comfort. BTW it has not made it offroad at all in the past year.
So i bought the pathfinder and had to go to the store and get a first aid kit and put it in the back seat, but i didnt fell as though it was "intergrated". But i do love the pathfinder over just about everything else in the suv class for the comfort. BTW it has not made it offroad at all in the past year.
Have driven a Toyota 4 Runner for the last six years. Test drove every SUV on the market and keep re-leasing a Toyota 4 Runner ever three year.
In my opinim, they are the best made SUV and drive and handle like a car. Very quiet and stable ride, exceptional service and customer service.
Good luck
In my opinim, they are the best made SUV and drive and handle like a car. Very quiet and stable ride, exceptional service and customer service.
Good luck
DTB, point well taken...but when the country's manufacturers are putting out products of inferior quality, i can't just give them my money. however, in other cases where quality is comparable, going American is great. can't try to help the nation's economy while i'm visiting repair shops every so often or shellin out bundles of cash for gas...it was $2.19/gallon here for a while
I've had three Toyotas, and I loved everyone of them. Camry, Avalon, and finally a 4-Runner. Besides changing the oil, I never had a problem with any of them. Friend of mine just bought an Exterra for his wife, and I have to tell ya, I was not impressed. Bout the only thing positive about the vehicle was the price....
Although I'm a Toyota fan, I just traded my 4=Runner for a 2000 Yukon XL. This is one VERY nice SUV, and drives so much better than my 4-Runner. It's the best riding SUV that I have ever been in. Only drawback was the price. However, since the 2001 's were released a few months ago, you might be able to locate a slightly used one with low mileage. If you give it a test drive, I promise you'll be driving it home...
Although I'm a Toyota fan, I just traded my 4=Runner for a 2000 Yukon XL. This is one VERY nice SUV, and drives so much better than my 4-Runner. It's the best riding SUV that I have ever been in. Only drawback was the price. However, since the 2001 's were released a few months ago, you might be able to locate a slightly used one with low mileage. If you give it a test drive, I promise you'll be driving it home...
Parlayinn.Your point is well taken and I'd be the 1st to admit Euro's probably build better quality cars and my intention was not to dispute that.It was the statement "don't buy american" that disturbed me.
Just bought a 2001 Nissan Pathfinder SE about 3 months ago. It rides extremely well on the highway (low noise, smooth ride). It gets pretty decent mileage on the highway, but obviously not as good in the city. Regardless of what I've read in some reviews, I think it has plenty of room in the interior. I've ridden in the back seat and it has plenty of room too. I didn't buy the thing for off road driving (don't encounter too much of that in Columbia, SC) so I can't comment on offroad use. All I can say is that I'm very satisfied with it, but it all depends on what YOU want.
By the way I paid about $26,400.00 for it. (with sunroof)
By the way I paid about $26,400.00 for it. (with sunroof)
