mac football preseason ramblings ....

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lots of roster turnover, especially at the skill positions, made this a busy summer trying to sort everything out in this conference. this could be the year where we see one of the "directional michigans" or a team like kent state come out of nowhere to win one side of the conference. aside from northern illinois, theres really not a dominant team (and even niu has holes to fill).

just some random stuff that might be worth noting (or "nothing", depending on your perspective). maybe i have a clue, maybe im just spewing nonsense. hopefully something below can be useful this year.

akron -- the zips took a major hit in the backfield and at wide receiver. their duo at wide receiver last year (montgomery and hixon) was really underrated. theyre not going to be easy to replace. jabari arthur had a monster motor city bowl (8 catches for 180 yds and 2 TDs) but the fact remains that he's still a converted quarterback that is now going from getsy's 3rd option to his #1 receiver. thats a tough transition. with the loss of biggs at running back, kennedy is now the primary back for the zips. last year he was supposed to provide akron with a solid complement and change of pace to biggs in the backfield, but he only had 131 yards on 45 attempts (>3.0 ypg -- not good). to be fair, he was only a redshirt freshman in '05 so those #s figure to improve. he definitely has the size to carry the load for akron. but akron is a shaky preseason favorite on that side of the conference.

bowling green -- ok anthony turner, now that omar jacobs left for the nfl, you get the chance to be the starting qb to open the season against wisconsin at cleveland browns stadium. so what do you do? you go and get yourself suspended for the first game after being cited for marijuna possession. brilliant. so now bg heads into that wisconsin game with redshirt freshman freddie barnes under center. the coaches love the athleticism that barnes has and they compare him to a young josh harris but they probably would rather not throw him into the fire against wisconsin in week one. unfortunately they have no choice. couple that with the losses of pope/lane at running back and sharon/sanders at wide receiver and bg has some huge offensive question marks. the good news is that the guys filling those spots got their feet wet last year and have a lot of potential. still, this probably wont be the explosive bg team many have come to expect in recent years. they will still put up points and yards, but they wont be steamrolling teams like they have at times over the last few seasons. and the fact that they have just 4 home games all year makes it unlikely that they will be playing for a mac title.

miami -- no more josh betts at quarterback, but that might not be such a bad thing for the redhawks. no matter how physically talented he was, he never really developed into the quarterback he could have been. guys like chad pennington and bruce gradkowski had "it". betts did not. miami still has big time playmakers on offense. brandon murphy is probably the best running back in the mac east and ryne robinson is a poor man's ted ginn jr, both as a receiver as well as a punt returner. but much like ginn has to adjust from complementary receiver (to the ultra-reliable santonio holmes) in '05 to now the primary receiver in '06, robinson has to adjust from complementary receiver (to the ultra-reliable martin nance) to now the primary receiver in '06. that could be an issue as neither robinson (nor ginn for that matter) is a particular great route runner and neither is overly physical getting off the line of scrimmage. having said that, miami should still be in pretty good shape offensively. but theyre only going to go as far as kokal takes them at qb. the mac east is wide open, so this team could conceivably finish anywhere from first to fourth, but third seems about right. their schedule is front-loaded with all their tough games in the first six weeks before it eases up in late october.

kent state -- im on record by having told spang (foolishly, perhaps) that kent state could be the most improved team in the mac this season. this team was absolutely decimated by injuries and suspensions last year but there is considerable talent returning this year on both sides of the ball. machen has an nfl-caliber arm at quarterback (unfortunately he displayed a lot of D-III caliber decision-making last year) and he should be better now that he has a year of experience under his belt. at 6'6/225, he easily has the best size of any qb in the conference. but his TD/INT numbers were awful (11/18). its probably fair to say that half of that stat can be attributed to a depleted offensive line and running back position last year, but he also made plenty of poor decisions with the ball. but in terms of arm strength and physical tools, he definitely has the potential to be among the best in the conference. where kent state really struggled last year was at running back. they were trying to run an offense with some shotgun-spread principles, but they had absolutely no running game to keep the defense honest. that shouldnt be a problem this year, because eugene jarvis (ineligible) and tony howard (mich st transfer) are both added to the mix this fall. the receivers have never been a problem, and 8 of their top 10 receivers are back from last year. if the defense gets back to form, kent could be a dangerous team (in '04 they were among the mac's best defensively, in '05 they were among the worst). but make no mistake about it -- they were horrible last year on that side of the ball (though injuries played a significant role in that too). there are two things that could hold this team back. first is that there is a losing culture that surrounds this program. they havent had much success, and at times they almost find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. the other is that they dont get the same type of fan support that the basketball team does. obviously theres a correlation there (success on the field/court brings fans and energy into the stands) but its almost like the school expects the basketball team to be good and the football team to be bad. that can almost become a self-fulfilling prophecy with the players and performance. but if this team ever played with some confidence and pride, they have the potential to pull a handful of upsets this year. ill step out and say they will end up being the most improved team in the conference, but offer the caveat that this IS kent state football and they could just as easily go 3-9.

ohio -- nothing about this team jumps off the page, but nothing about them looks horrible either. any solich-coached team is going to want to run the ball effectively and this one is no different. mcrae is a bulldozer at running back and he is back after running for 1200+ last year. what this team needs is a quarterback to step up and be a leader. brandon jones was thrown into the fire as a true freshman last year and that should only help him this season. the problem with the ou offense is that they lack a true gamebreaker. mayle is definitely a solid wide receiver, but hes not the kind of guy that can swing a game by taking a 5 yard pass and turning it into a 55-yd touchdown. the bobcats should be solid on the defensive side of the ball and that should be enough to keep them in most games. you have to expect that a team as well-coached as OU is will show significant improvement from year 1 to year 2, so its probably not fair to completely write them off especially since the mac east is nothing special this year. but nothing screams "contender" either.

buffalo -- there is hope for this team now that gill is calling the shots. but theyre still a long way away. last year, they went the first two and a half games of the season without scoring a single point. then they gave willy a shot as a true freshman at quarterback and he provided enough of a spark to make them a respectable team down the stretch (playing solid football in a 3-week stretch against mac contenders toledo, bg, and akron). the bulls have some a promising young quarterback and some capable running backs, but nobody on the outside to stretch the field in the passing game. thats why a lot of the buffalo offense is dink and dunk. whats going to hurt this team is their opening schedule. beating temple in week one is a must because otherwise, they will be 0-1 heading into a 3-game road trip against bowling green, auburn, and northern illinois. if nothing else, gill should change the attitude of this team and get them to a level of respectability they havent had since entering D-1. but they also have a psyche thats fragile enough where if anything goes wrong, things could go downhill fast. you hate to be cliche, but this season really isnt about wins and losses at buffalo. its about finally having something promising to build toward for the future now that a respected coaching staff is in place.

will try to throw some mac west stuff up a bit later on.
 
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Gman.... looking at the N'Western game against M (OH)... really thinking Sutton runs over the redhawks even without the head coach (RIP) and Basanez (sp). I am looking at the hawks to be a a hugh rebuilding year. Love the redhawks runniung back, he is a tough nose runner and robinson on the WR is money but if Betts was the best of the available QB they are in trouble unless a true freshman comes in and is something in the pocket.

G - good luck this season and I'll be dropping into your threads as always to comment here and there. Go get em this season.

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How can anyone be ineligible at Kent?


:mj07: good point. if im not mistaken, cincinnati had to boot a couple guys off the team last hoops season for being academically ineligible. now if you cant qualify to play hoops at cincinnati ...........

irish -- im on the fence with that miami/nwestern game. im not thrilled about giving miami points at home, but im not thrilled about backing miami in kokals first true start either. redhawks have been very tough in nationally televised home games over the yrs. obviously a big 10 opponent is a different kind of beast. id be surprised if either team won by more than 7.
 

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Gman.....I was looking at N.Illinois +18 at Ohio St. Wanted your take on that if you could.....you think they can hang within the number? I really like the SR QB for them and they have played tough against non conference foes in the last 3 years or so. Obviously Ohio St at home is dominant and could win by 30, but I see NIll making this a game. I really like their coach also......thanks!
 

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northern illinois -- huskies should definitely be the prohibitive favorite to win the conference if for no other reason than the fact that they return the most electrifying player in the mac (wolfe) as well as two quality quartberacks (nicholson and horvath). whereas a lot of teams are trying to break in new qbs this fall, northern is having a fall camp qb battle between two guys who could start for any team in the conference right now. losing hurd at wr hurts, but britt davis is really underrated and is capable of having a big year. if their defense is simply 'average', they'll win the mac west. at times last year, though, their defense was below average and the way they let akron go right down the field on the final drive of the mac championship for the game-winning TD is a perfect example of how they can be inexplicably lame at times. but northern's offense is going to be so good that they will be capable of bailing out the D at times. even though they open up with osu in columbus and then travel to iowa midway through the season, their schedule is incredibly favorable overall and theres no reason for them not to get to a bowl.

toledo -- no gradkowski probably means no mac title for them. but cochran is one of those backups that saw a good amount of playing time while he was waiting his turn so toledo shouldnt slip too far. and with their stable of running backs, theyll still have a damn good offense. their schedule is stacked with power conference teams (at iowa state, home to kansas, at pittsburgh) and they also have to travel to dekalb for the 11/7 game against northern in addition to a home game against akron. also cant ignore the week 2 game against an improved wmu program (though toledo owns the broncos in recent years). if northern slips, toledo could steal the mac west. but a lot of that depends on how cochran plays at qb for the rockets.

western michigan -- broncos are a tough team to project. they went from one win in 2004 to nearly winning the mac west and going to a bowl in
2005. so naturally, you would expect them to take another big step in 2006. its possible, but they lost a ton at the skill positions, including two guys to the nfl (scheffler at tight end and jennings at wide receiver). they also have to replace a trevon riley in the backfield. they got a very favorable ruling from the ncaa when cubit was granted a 6th year of eligibility at qb. but even if he couldnt player, hiller got a ton of experience at qb as a true freshman last year and he would be just fine running this team. the defense has some very promising pieces and should be solid in the secondary with delmas and biggers, two guys out of miami who bring speed and swagger to wmu's defense. if they hadnt lost so much at the skill positions, you could make a good case for wmu being right up there with northern illinois on this side of the conference. but they are still probably one more year away from being a bonafide contender. right now, they look like one of those teams that is capable of beating anyone... and also capable of losing to anyone on a given saturday.

central michigan -- the chips are another team breaking in a new qb (brunner) but they still return a lot of talent on offense and should be right in the mix in the mac west. sneed is an absolute stud in the backfield and is probably second only two garrett wolfe in his versatility and ability to not only run the ball, but catch the ball and be a threat in the passing game as well. kelly is starting to get "his guys" into the program in year 3, and the chips also made a terrific move by adding curt anes to the coaching staff to work with the qbs. anes was an all-american qb when he played for kelly at grand valley in 1999-2002. he was the national player of the year as a senior and he led a grand valley offense that averaged a ridiculous 58 points per game in '02 (not a typo). so even though brunner is still very raw at quarterback, he has someone working with him who knows exactly what it takes to run kelly's offense effectively. what hurts cmu is their opening month of the schedule. its absolutely brutal and hardly conducive to breaking in a new qb. they open with games against boston college and michigan and then have akron, eastern michigan, kentucky, and toledo. so brunner better be ready to go right away. despite the tough schedule, kelly has completely changed the culture surrounding this program and they enter this season expecting to contend for the mac west. will they win it? probably not. theyre probably one more year a way as well. but this is a team to keep an eye on later in the season because if they get knocked around early in the year, theyll be catching some favorable numbers in october and november and theyll be much improved by then.

eastern michigan -- last year, they were supposed to be the darkhorse in the mac. it never happened. they grossly underachieved and finished below .500 yet again. their offense was supposed to be among the mac's best and it never got off the ground. a lot of that is because they sustained some injuries at running back and became one-dimensional, but they also were mediocre in the passing game. bohnet underachieved as a senior and he gave way to freshman tyler jones late in the season. a lot of people are writing off emu but this is another team that has the potential to sneak up on people. deslauriers is a monster at wide receiver and they are healthy and a bit more experienced at running back. jones is probably a better runner than he is a passer at qb right now, but genyk is the kind of coach who can make him a multi-threat qb. the eagles have the best kicker in the mac as well. the problem is that, much like kent state, they have no home field edge and they seem to crumble in crunch time. they dont know "how to win". last year they lost 3 games by a combined 4 points, including blowing their home finale against ball state when they led by 18 with under 8:00 left. emu's schedule is actually very favorable, with the cmich, toledo, and northern illinois games all at home. its eastern michigan, so theyll probably find a way to fu.ck it up, but this team could be much better than a lot of people expect.

ball state -- aside from joey lynch, they are very unimpressive. one thing they deserve credit for is playing hard week in and week out. hoke does a great job of getting everything he can out of this program. but theyre simply overmatched. they get a bit of a break with their OOC schedule because instead of iowa and auburn (like last year) they get indiana and purdue.
 

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rs -- sorry for overlooking your post. heading out now, but ill try and get a response up later on tonight or early sat
 
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central michigan - kelly is starting to get "his guys" into the program in year 3, and the chips also made a terrific move by adding curt anes to the coaching staff to work with the qbs. anes was an all-american qb when he played for kelly at grand valley in 1999-2002. he was the national player of the year as a senior and he led a grand valley offense that averaged a ridiculous 58 points per game in '02 (not a typo). so even though brunner is still very raw at quarterback, he has someone working with him who knows exactly what it takes to run kelly's offense effectively....despite the tough schedule, kelly has completely changed the culture surrounding this program and they enter this season expecting to contend for the mac west. will.

great write up g-man, quoted just this part because I had a large chunk of info that I cited from you regarding Brian Kelly...good to see you back brother...if you get a chance please take a look at my thread..like I said above I def. remember you talking about the impact Brian Kelly would make and what he achieved at Grand Valley...played them +13.5 for a unit only but if you decid to make a play on the Chips im def upgrading my play...knew Anes was a name that had worked with Kelly before, but to have the All American QB who led your high powered Division II offense, now coaching along side you may be the final piece of the puzzle that Kelly needs to start developing CMU into the team that he was hired to develop...all in all I def think CMU will be a really fun team to watch, especially with the "diamond in the rough" coaching staff that is calling shots...almost wish Anes had another year of eligibilty (Antowain Smith @ Houston style in the late 90's), and run this offense himself lol...but with him on hand to coach the QB's, the impact he makes may as well be just as significant...God I cant stop expressing how happy I am College football is back...as always, look for me to cotail the Gman $ express
 

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Gman...no opinion yet on NIll at Ohio St.? Let me know when you do...I'll be interested to see what you have to say. Thanks and GL this season!

Looking forward to your response as well Gman...With Ohio St. DEFINALTEY thinking about Texas the upcoming week, arguabley the best non-conference rivalry of the next few years (especially with the recruiting on both sides, and the fact that they are 2 of the last 4 NC's plaing eachother every year for the new couple years), its hard to imagine the Buckeyes wont be looking ahead to a game that very well could be (and is obviously considered) one of the top NC determing games. Wolfe is one of the most explosive players in the nation...its going to be really fun to watch Wolfe and Ginn both playing on the same field...if this was last year, I would think Wolfe didnt stand a chance for 50 yards against the vicious, AJ Hawk led buckeye D of '05...but th entire back 7 from last years D is gone, and with the inexprience, this very well may be Wolfe's game to shine and be well on his way to 2000 yards...imagine what a 200 yard game for a MAC running back could do for his confidence...I know Ohio State isnt replacing last years studs with duds:5th best recruiting class of '06, 9th in '05 and 7th in '04, but with sucn a drastic change in all areas of the defense, the chemistry will need to be developed and the inexperience is inevitable...I think i just convinced myself on NIU
 

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I think I'm gonna be all over that +18 myself Vyrus!!! NIll is very good!! Just know Gman knows this conference well....wanted his take. I didn't even consider the fact that OSU has TX on deck....I like it even more now!!!
 

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I think I'm gonna be all over that +18 myself Vyrus!!! NIll is very good!! Just know Gman knows this conference well....wanted his take. I didn't even consider the fact that OSU has TX on deck....I like it even more now!!!

yea I def am waiting to pull the trigger until I here what gMAC Gman has to say about it lol...and with all the hype surrounding OSU's offense this year (hype that is rightfully deserved), I doubt the line will go anywhere but in our favor, especially with the Buckeyes at home...so many public angles that I think willl inflate the line (or stay at 18 at worst), with OSU at home, with their most explosive offense in half a decade, and nobody really hearing much about NIU as a MAC contender with future NFL QB led teams in Toledo and Bowling Green stealing ht spotlight last year...but how can we pass up in a team that returns 7 starters on D, a QB who led the NCAA in completion percentage last year (which also was a NIU school record) and who had a 16/8 TD to INT ratio, and last but not least Garret Wolfe (a poor mans Reggie Bush IMO...who very likely will amass 2000+ yards with the schedule their playing) AGAINST a Ohio State team who as I mentioned earlier, is replacing their ENTIRE back 7, and whose bread and butter s offense...this game will be a high scoring affair, and NIU will def be able to hold their own and keep the Buckeye offense off the field with Wolfe going against the inexperienced Buckeye defense, with a talented O-Line, led by their beast at tackle Doug Free (considered a sure shot top 5 pick in 2007 by a handful of top publications, if he stays healthy). cant wait to see what Gman thinks
 

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really feel like that northern/osu game is a tricky one next saturday. if you go back to last season, ohio state was in a nearly identical spot in week one:

at home
laying slightly less than 3 TDs to a mac team (miami)
and the bucks had texas up next

osu completely dominated that game and led 34-0 heading into the 4th quarter before miami pushed two cheap ones across late to make it a semi-respectable 34-14 final.

of course, betts didnt help miami's cause when he made a horrible throw that whitner picked off and took to the house right before halftime for a 20-0 lead. miami could have gone into the break down 13-0 if they played their cards right and at least given themselves a chance in the 2nd half.

horvath is the anti-betts, and his decision making is what should keep northern in the game.

and its tough to ignore all the personnel changes osu has on the defensive side of the ball, not to mention the challenge that wolfe is going to present to a revamped ohio state defense.

my main concern would be northern's defense holding up against smith and pittman running the ball for ohio state. im not completely sold on ohio state having an 'explosive' offense like many expect because tressel never really opens the playbook up and loosens the reigns until late in the year and bowl season.

... but i would be concerned about osu running the ball right down niu's throat.

last year in northwestern, sutton and basanez killed niu's defense with the running game out of the shotgun. ohio state will likely come out and try to run it right at northern from the opening snap. that, imo, is where this one is going to be decided.

if im backing niu, i wouldnt be concerned about the huskies offense. a kid like wolfe would have been a good challenge for even last years osu defense.

17 carries for 152 yards against michigan last year and then 34 for 248 against northwestern only reinforces the fact that the kid can flat out run the ball against any competition.

really get the feeling though that this spread is determined by northerns ability to stop ohio state's power game. you could take ginn and gonzalez off the field and id still have the same concerns with niu's defense.

having said that, northern isnt going to be intimidated. they are probably the best program in the mac when you talk about going toe to toe with the power conference teams. so it wouldnt be a huge surprise if they took ohio state down to the final few minutes and lost something like 31-24. but 41-17 is a distinct possibility too and thats enough to keep my money away from this one. northern should be a moneymaker this season and theyre gonna be damn good, but im not sure if it starts in week one.

as far as the total goes, im not real big on playing ohio state games over the number simply because tressel loves to manage the game and is more than willing to grind out ugly wins. but i have a tough time seeing this one anything but in the 54-58 pt range.
 

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All that waiting for your opinion and you give out a "no play"???? Just kidding, I agree with your analysis. Totals will be difficult to play with the Buckeyes this year because they can pop a big play at any time but Tressel also plays close to the (sweater) vest with the lead. Eighteen is not enough for NIU to feel good about but the backdoor cover against an inexperienced defense is a real possibility.

Are you going to the BG/Wisky game? Carl Spackler and I are going.
 

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really feel like that northern/osu game is a tricky one next saturday. if you go back to last season, ohio state was in a nearly identical spot in week one:

at home
laying slightly less than 3 TDs to a mac team (miami)
and the bucks had texas up next

osu completely dominated that game and led 34-0 heading into the 4th quarter before miami pushed two cheap ones across late to make it a semi-respectable 34-14 final.

of course, betts didnt help miami's cause when he made a horrible throw that whitner picked off and took to the house right before halftime for a 20-0 lead. miami could have gone into the break down 13-0 if they played their cards right and at least given themselves a chance in the 2nd half.

horvath is the anti-betts, and his decision making is what should keep northern in the game.

and its tough to ignore all the personnel changes osu has on the defensive side of the ball, not to mention the challenge that wolfe is going to present to a revamped ohio state defense.

my main concern would be northern's defense holding up against smith and pittman running the ball for ohio state. im not completely sold on ohio state having an 'explosive' offense like many expect because tressel never really opens the playbook up and loosens the reigns until late in the year and bowl season.

... but i would be concerned about osu running the ball right down niu's throat.

last year in northwestern, sutton and basanez killed niu's defense with the running game out of the shotgun. ohio state will likely come out and try to run it right at northern from the opening snap. that, imo, is where this one is going to be decided.

if im backing niu, i wouldnt be concerned about the huskies offense. a kid like wolfe would have been a good challenge for even last years osu defense.

17 carries for 152 yards against michigan last year and then 34 for 248 against northwestern only reinforces the fact that the kid can flat out run the ball against any competition.

really get the feeling though that this spread is determined by northerns ability to stop ohio state's power game. you could take ginn and gonzalez off the field and id still have the same concerns with niu's defense.

having said that, northern isnt going to be intimidated. they are probably the best program in the mac when you talk about going toe to toe with the power conference teams. so it wouldnt be a huge surprise if they took ohio state down to the final few minutes and lost something like 31-24. but 41-17 is a distinct possibility too and thats enough to keep my money away from this one. northern should be a moneymaker this season and theyre gonna be damn good, but im not sure if it starts in week one.

as far as the total goes, im not real big on playing ohio state games over the number simply because tressel loves to manage the game and is more than willing to grind out ugly wins. but i have a tough time seeing this one anything but in the 54-58 pt range.

Gman very good point about NW ly against NIU...but with the same respect to NIU, cant you see them pounding the ball down OSU's throat as well and keeping OSU's power running gam off the field, and vice versa...this game very well may be the type of 52 point games you see that were a result of huge RUNNING ATTACKS (Texas style, last year), and wth passsing attacks that only compliment the running...both teams know they have solid backfields, OSU having more depth, but NIU having the playmaker...Im going to make a nice sized wager on Garret Wolfe total running yards OVER when the prop comes out
 
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