I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAY ABOUT ACES GOLD I HAVE ABOUT 9 DIMES SITTING IN AN ACCOUNT WITH THEM(I GUESS NOT NO MORE) BUT I THOUGHT I RECALL YOU (JACK) SAYING THAT YOU BACK ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ADVERTISE WITH YOU AND GUARANTEE THE MONEY THEY DEPOSIT IN THESE ACCOUNTS. I KNOW THAT SOUNDS ABSURD BUT I BELIEVE I READ THAT ON YOUR SITE AND COPIED IT, DO I NEED TO POST IT. JACK I THINK OR SHOULD I SAY I KNOW THIS IS THE BEST SITE OUT THERE BUT DONT SAY WHAT YOU DONT MEAN. I KNOW MY BUDDY THE WIZ LOST JUST AS MUCH $ AS ME. I ALSO KNOW I WILL PROBABLY BE BANNED AFTER THIS POST BUT JUST WANTED TO VENT NO HARD FEELINGS!
Madatjacks
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Sorry for the above post. Looks like my uncle has been sniffing glue again. I'll try to keep an eye on him from now on.
Trampled
Trampled
Myself and people in with me took a major hit,but its not jacks fault or the site. To come and blame a site is just stupid,been waiting for 2 weeks for money,and i know it won't show now,or at least right now,but things have away of getting even,trust me charlie isnot broke,and if he knows whats good he will try to work something out.
there are lots of people that are stuck and doesnot matter if its 10$ or 100,000$ everyone including other books got burnt on this.
So bitch all you want and i feel bad for you and others as well as me.it puts me in a big jam with others. but this site has nothing to do with it,hell they were a solid book for along time,this was just a bomb shell that fell,and will take a few days to find out things but don't hold your breath.
Say what you want i never have a worry out here but i know its a risk when i have funds offshore,and thats the risk i take,and have no-one to blame but me.
i will keep you posted.
there are lots of people that are stuck and doesnot matter if its 10$ or 100,000$ everyone including other books got burnt on this.
So bitch all you want and i feel bad for you and others as well as me.it puts me in a big jam with others. but this site has nothing to do with it,hell they were a solid book for along time,this was just a bomb shell that fell,and will take a few days to find out things but don't hold your breath.
Say what you want i never have a worry out here but i know its a risk when i have funds offshore,and thats the risk i take,and have no-one to blame but me.
i will keep you posted.
There's two distinct points in this situation:
1) This site decided to employ Aces as a business partner requiring players to deposit at that book to participate in a contest. I'm unaware of any other site with this mandate when joining the majority of their contests.
This "pioneering" effort on the part of MJ's cost alot of people alot of money, in that, had that requirement not been in place, many would not have deposited there.
I know that no one had a gun to their head so spare us that retort. Instead, think about cause and effect and follow the money.
2) While other "watchdog" sites had information re: the status of Aces, I didn't see anything here. Why not?
This site is made up of both outsiders and insiders. No one knew about the potential for trouble? Why didn't anything get posted?
For those who care, the exact same thing happened last year, regarding this site, when Bookie's Joint went under. In that situation, MJ did take some action to get some players their money back.
We can all move on but, rest assured, other than those who would follow the leader right off the edge of the pier, the rest of us have to realize that this watchdog loses it's bark in some situations where the interests of the advertisers are pitted against those of the players.
1) This site decided to employ Aces as a business partner requiring players to deposit at that book to participate in a contest. I'm unaware of any other site with this mandate when joining the majority of their contests.
This "pioneering" effort on the part of MJ's cost alot of people alot of money, in that, had that requirement not been in place, many would not have deposited there.
I know that no one had a gun to their head so spare us that retort. Instead, think about cause and effect and follow the money.
2) While other "watchdog" sites had information re: the status of Aces, I didn't see anything here. Why not?
This site is made up of both outsiders and insiders. No one knew about the potential for trouble? Why didn't anything get posted?
For those who care, the exact same thing happened last year, regarding this site, when Bookie's Joint went under. In that situation, MJ did take some action to get some players their money back.
We can all move on but, rest assured, other than those who would follow the leader right off the edge of the pier, the rest of us have to realize that this watchdog loses it's bark in some situations where the interests of the advertisers are pitted against those of the players.
fletcher
fletcher
Why do you use offshore books when you live in Vegas? If it's NOMB...then nevermind.
fletcher
Why do you use offshore books when you live in Vegas? If it's NOMB...then nevermind.
azbob, give it a rest already.
1) i don't claim to be a "watchdog", however, i wouldn't accept advertising dollars from any book that i wouldn't post up with myself. i've turned down more books than i have advertising here. i'll estimate that i've turned down well over $100,000 in advertising in the last 18 months alone. if i wouldn't post up with a book, i won't recommend them, period!
2) once i accept advertising money from an advertiser, it's my job to promote them the best way i see fit. if they don't get business, they won't renew their contract when it expires. we do have bills to pay around here and all of my revenue is generated through advertising money spent here. no money, no website. but, i don't accept money from just any book, like many other sites do.
it's very unfortunate that aces gold went down. i lost a substancial amout of money along with many other people. i feel bad, real bad, not only because i lost, but because i recommended a book that went down. a book that was one of the most respected books in the industry for many years.
was i supposed to take them down because of something the shrink posted about them? i don't think so. they have been known to cry "wolf" many times before, with books that don't advertise there. also, they are a site that highly recommended NASA, dunes, sbg global and more (all books that i turned down in the past). i don't give that site a lot of credibility when deciding what book to post up with and i doubt you do either. saying there were "signs" is all hindsight now.
i'm happy for you that you got your money out in time. since you obviously "knew" there were problems, why didn't you come here and offer YOUR insight THEN instead of coming in here now, after the fact? you are offering nothing here at all with your hindsight. no better than the guy that comes in after the game saying "i told you so and so would win", when, in fact, he posted nothing before hand.
what's your real agenda?
1) i don't claim to be a "watchdog", however, i wouldn't accept advertising dollars from any book that i wouldn't post up with myself. i've turned down more books than i have advertising here. i'll estimate that i've turned down well over $100,000 in advertising in the last 18 months alone. if i wouldn't post up with a book, i won't recommend them, period!
2) once i accept advertising money from an advertiser, it's my job to promote them the best way i see fit. if they don't get business, they won't renew their contract when it expires. we do have bills to pay around here and all of my revenue is generated through advertising money spent here. no money, no website. but, i don't accept money from just any book, like many other sites do.
it's very unfortunate that aces gold went down. i lost a substancial amout of money along with many other people. i feel bad, real bad, not only because i lost, but because i recommended a book that went down. a book that was one of the most respected books in the industry for many years.
was i supposed to take them down because of something the shrink posted about them? i don't think so. they have been known to cry "wolf" many times before, with books that don't advertise there. also, they are a site that highly recommended NASA, dunes, sbg global and more (all books that i turned down in the past). i don't give that site a lot of credibility when deciding what book to post up with and i doubt you do either. saying there were "signs" is all hindsight now.
i'm happy for you that you got your money out in time. since you obviously "knew" there were problems, why didn't you come here and offer YOUR insight THEN instead of coming in here now, after the fact? you are offering nothing here at all with your hindsight. no better than the guy that comes in after the game saying "i told you so and so would win", when, in fact, he posted nothing before hand.
what's your real agenda?
NO WAY ITS WAS JACK FAULT , ACE GOLD WAS NOT THE FIRST BOOK TO GO UNDER, THE ONLY DIFFERCE BETWEEN A SPORTBOOK AND A BETTOR IS THE BETTOR PICK THE GAMES.
ITS GAMBLING ON BOTH END OF THE STICK, ITS NOT THE FIRST
TIME A BOOK LOST ITS MONEY . I MY SELF HAVE PUT BOOKIE
OUT OF BUSSINESS ON THE STREET. ALWAY GET YOUR MONEY
AS SOON AS YOU CAN. LEAVE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE IN YOUR ACCOUNT. THERE BEEN TIME A BOOKIE AS NOT PAID ME IN THE STREET BECAUSCE THEY HAVE LOST BIG . I HAVE HAS BOOKIE ON A MONEY PAYMENT BEFORE . THEY PAID ME LITTLE EACH WEEK. YES THIS IS ALL TRUE. NOT ALL BOOKS MAKE MONEY, BEWARE
WHO YOU PLAY WITH.
ITS GAMBLING ON BOTH END OF THE STICK, ITS NOT THE FIRST
TIME A BOOK LOST ITS MONEY . I MY SELF HAVE PUT BOOKIE
OUT OF BUSSINESS ON THE STREET. ALWAY GET YOUR MONEY
AS SOON AS YOU CAN. LEAVE AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE IN YOUR ACCOUNT. THERE BEEN TIME A BOOKIE AS NOT PAID ME IN THE STREET BECAUSCE THEY HAVE LOST BIG . I HAVE HAS BOOKIE ON A MONEY PAYMENT BEFORE . THEY PAID ME LITTLE EACH WEEK. YES THIS IS ALL TRUE. NOT ALL BOOKS MAKE MONEY, BEWARE
WHO YOU PLAY WITH.
When did Madjack's become a 'watchdog' site? I never knew it was one.
Obviously, Jack has advertisers. It would be next to impossible to run this site without them. They pay a majority of the bills. But does anyone think Jack takes every 'fly by night' book out there who is interested in advertising in the hopes of making a quick buck? Is the tradeoff of a few months of advertising fees worth the risk of endorsing a book that might go under with people's deposits and the negative feedback that would then result?
Everyone wants to point a finger or say this or that should have been done. But the facts were...for over 6 years Aces/Sports Market was one of the most solid, respected offshore books in existence. Slow or no pay had NEVER been an issue. Square and wiseguys alike singed their praises. A few weeks ago the Rx posted a statement claiming there were problems at Aces...but incredibly that statement was not only retracted but spun 180 degrees into an endorsement. Now if the initial statement was steadfastly supported and not taken down and then eventually changed, things might have been different. But if wasn't. Aces stated that changes would be made...limits lowered, taken off the Don Best screen, etc.,...which sounded reasonable and a good way to get things back on track if there was indeed any problems. Did ANYONE expect them to all of a sudden declare bankruptcy yesterday morning? Could be a couple people, but no one heard from them...or they are the same people that say 'I told you so' after the fact.
Jack did post a message from Aces after the Rx's initial statement, so noboy can claim the issue wasn't addressed here. If Jack or anyone else saw a virtually immediate declaration of bankruptcy coming, do you honestly think he would have kept them on as an advertiser. Or kept a 5-figure balance there just because?
Plenty of people made the decision to withdraw their monies from Aces when the Rx first posted. But when the retraction was made and Aces made their own statement, backed by other reputable, long standing bookmakers, that they would be fine..business as usual with a few changes...well, forgive the people who trusted a company that for 6+ years had done nothing but good things for the industry.
This is a quasi-legal industry to begin with and are dealing with companies thousands of miles away in foreign territories. These aren't banks, these are street bookies and businessmen trying to run books in the same manner as the ones regulated in Australia and the UK. Though plenty of smaller, less reputable books have gone down the tubes, this is the first time a book of this stature has gone south...but just like any other business, there is always going to a first. And, for a lack of a better word, sucks. It really, really sucks that people lost hundreds, thousands, and even more. But for people to start the accusing..that this site and others were leading members of the forums into a 'trap' or leading the lambs into the slaughter is unfair and far from the truth.
Obviously, Jack has advertisers. It would be next to impossible to run this site without them. They pay a majority of the bills. But does anyone think Jack takes every 'fly by night' book out there who is interested in advertising in the hopes of making a quick buck? Is the tradeoff of a few months of advertising fees worth the risk of endorsing a book that might go under with people's deposits and the negative feedback that would then result?
Everyone wants to point a finger or say this or that should have been done. But the facts were...for over 6 years Aces/Sports Market was one of the most solid, respected offshore books in existence. Slow or no pay had NEVER been an issue. Square and wiseguys alike singed their praises. A few weeks ago the Rx posted a statement claiming there were problems at Aces...but incredibly that statement was not only retracted but spun 180 degrees into an endorsement. Now if the initial statement was steadfastly supported and not taken down and then eventually changed, things might have been different. But if wasn't. Aces stated that changes would be made...limits lowered, taken off the Don Best screen, etc.,...which sounded reasonable and a good way to get things back on track if there was indeed any problems. Did ANYONE expect them to all of a sudden declare bankruptcy yesterday morning? Could be a couple people, but no one heard from them...or they are the same people that say 'I told you so' after the fact.
Jack did post a message from Aces after the Rx's initial statement, so noboy can claim the issue wasn't addressed here. If Jack or anyone else saw a virtually immediate declaration of bankruptcy coming, do you honestly think he would have kept them on as an advertiser. Or kept a 5-figure balance there just because?
Plenty of people made the decision to withdraw their monies from Aces when the Rx first posted. But when the retraction was made and Aces made their own statement, backed by other reputable, long standing bookmakers, that they would be fine..business as usual with a few changes...well, forgive the people who trusted a company that for 6+ years had done nothing but good things for the industry.
This is a quasi-legal industry to begin with and are dealing with companies thousands of miles away in foreign territories. These aren't banks, these are street bookies and businessmen trying to run books in the same manner as the ones regulated in Australia and the UK. Though plenty of smaller, less reputable books have gone down the tubes, this is the first time a book of this stature has gone south...but just like any other business, there is always going to a first. And, for a lack of a better word, sucks. It really, really sucks that people lost hundreds, thousands, and even more. But for people to start the accusing..that this site and others were leading members of the forums into a 'trap' or leading the lambs into the slaughter is unfair and far from the truth.
MJ...If I would have directed hundreds of players to Aces, like you did, you bet I would have been in here expressing caution. Don't ask me to have a greater sense of ethical responsiblity than you displayed. I took care of my friends, you left your players hanging.
I think most players know you don't offer a guarantee...so then why hook up with any book and require players post there? (since you didn't address that question)
Six months ago no one saw this coming but, your decision making then and more recently (with the tout fiasco) brings into question motive.
Real agenda? Just as, I think, it is the responsibility of more experienced players to warn others about touts, try to promote responsibile gambling and offer some game insight, I think it also our responsibility to ensure players don't blindly follow people or websites that promote themselves as a player's resource.
It's not your fault Aces went under and "leading lambs to slaughter" is, of course, too strong an analogy but, you alone required a post up at Aces to join a contest (which was your idea not Aces per your explanation at the start of football season) so, in my opinion, "give it a rest already" while convenient for you does not offer either an expression of sorrow or confidence that your next brainstorm will not be equally inane.
I think most players know you don't offer a guarantee...so then why hook up with any book and require players post there? (since you didn't address that question)
Six months ago no one saw this coming but, your decision making then and more recently (with the tout fiasco) brings into question motive.
Real agenda? Just as, I think, it is the responsibility of more experienced players to warn others about touts, try to promote responsibile gambling and offer some game insight, I think it also our responsibility to ensure players don't blindly follow people or websites that promote themselves as a player's resource.
It's not your fault Aces went under and "leading lambs to slaughter" is, of course, too strong an analogy but, you alone required a post up at Aces to join a contest (which was your idea not Aces per your explanation at the start of football season) so, in my opinion, "give it a rest already" while convenient for you does not offer either an expression of sorrow or confidence that your next brainstorm will not be equally inane.
AZ,
Ultimatecapper also hosted a contest which required an Aces deposit to play. And of course, as with Jack's contest, all participants did so of their own free will.
Ultimatecapper also hosted a contest which required an Aces deposit to play. And of course, as with Jack's contest, all participants did so of their own free will.
assbob when have you ever posted a play and gave us a break down on why you like this play.
all i have seen in over 2 years from you is bitching about something that has to do with this site and how it is run.
you know what why don't you just stay at your other site you hang around and quit trying to make trouble,thats all you ever do.
like i said i have watched you for over 2 years and even tried to be civil towards you at times,but you only pop up here when things go alittle off line and run your trap and take cheap shots.
as always you prove to be a true slug and always at the top of the bitch list when you see your chance to take a shot at site and others,change screen name to parasite it is much better suited for you.
big mr. inside knew what was going on all along,and bailed and told his friends that are gaming gurus so not to get hurt,and let us little fish fend for ourself, let me bow down to you, the godfather of the pipes.
fuking slug.
all i have seen in over 2 years from you is bitching about something that has to do with this site and how it is run.
you know what why don't you just stay at your other site you hang around and quit trying to make trouble,thats all you ever do.
like i said i have watched you for over 2 years and even tried to be civil towards you at times,but you only pop up here when things go alittle off line and run your trap and take cheap shots.
as always you prove to be a true slug and always at the top of the bitch list when you see your chance to take a shot at site and others,change screen name to parasite it is much better suited for you.
big mr. inside knew what was going on all along,and bailed and told his friends that are gaming gurus so not to get hurt,and let us little fish fend for ourself, let me bow down to you, the godfather of the pipes.
fuking slug.
AzBob......do you also think you should get your money back when people who post here pick losers and you play them?
Some of you dandies are pure pips.
I've said this more times than I can remember, but here it is again:
"Every book is a bad employee, or bad decision, from going belly up."
How you can blame an utside force for any of this, is beyond me. How the fuhk is Jack, or anyone else, supposed to know the status of these guys? Because he "recommended" Ace's to us, he should bear the burden of their folding? Get real!
If you ever think your money is safe at these places, you have a screw loose! Sure, we all want to think that is the case, but the fact remains, that these places are ILLEAGLE, and you have no one to cry to when they do fold! Do some of you still not understand this?
No matter how "legit" these places are, if they want to close the doors today, they will, and you are fuhked. When you sent them your cash, you did just that........sent them the cash. All you got in return, was a "promise" that your money would be there for you. We all know how good those promises are.
A lot of you get payouts from the books that Jack "recommends", and I don't see anyone saying "Thanks for telling me about these guys!", but yet you want to blame him for pointing you in Ace's direction.
I can only assume that Jack has felt awful over the past few months with what has transpired here, and you dinks act like he's sitting back laughing, and raking in the dough. I half wish he would shut this place down............I know I would have, a long fuhking time ago. All you crying, no-life, assholes, could find some other place to express your misanthropic shit!
Grow up, or go the fuhk away.
I've said this more times than I can remember, but here it is again:
"Every book is a bad employee, or bad decision, from going belly up."
How you can blame an utside force for any of this, is beyond me. How the fuhk is Jack, or anyone else, supposed to know the status of these guys? Because he "recommended" Ace's to us, he should bear the burden of their folding? Get real!
If you ever think your money is safe at these places, you have a screw loose! Sure, we all want to think that is the case, but the fact remains, that these places are ILLEAGLE, and you have no one to cry to when they do fold! Do some of you still not understand this?
No matter how "legit" these places are, if they want to close the doors today, they will, and you are fuhked. When you sent them your cash, you did just that........sent them the cash. All you got in return, was a "promise" that your money would be there for you. We all know how good those promises are.
A lot of you get payouts from the books that Jack "recommends", and I don't see anyone saying "Thanks for telling me about these guys!", but yet you want to blame him for pointing you in Ace's direction.
I can only assume that Jack has felt awful over the past few months with what has transpired here, and you dinks act like he's sitting back laughing, and raking in the dough. I half wish he would shut this place down............I know I would have, a long fuhking time ago. All you crying, no-life, assholes, could find some other place to express your misanthropic shit!
Grow up, or go the fuhk away.
Azbob,
Out of all the asinine, self-important posts you've made over the years (none of which I have commented on by the way), this one takes the cake. What the hell IS your agenda?
Let me provide the readers of this forum an experience that I had with you. A few years ago, I was asked by Azbob my opinion and experience with Olympic and my reply was that it was about as top notch book as you'll find and that I highly recommend them. A few days later, I received an e-mail saying that he had checked them out, had decided to post up there, and would list me as a referal. I thought this was a nice gesture and responded that I was looking for another out and relayed a list of books that I didn't have accounts with and was prepared to return the favor. I assume he compared this to the books he had accounts with and recommended to me (you guessed it) ACES GOLD! Now, in and of itself, there wasn't anything wrong with this. Aces was solid as a rock. But, that's not the end of the story. As I was surfing around the web later that day, I stumpled upon a thread in another forum. Come to find out, this entire thread was about an ongoing dispute that Azbob was having with (you guessed it) ACES GOLD! The exact nature of the dispute escapes me, but the tread contained extremely hostile posts, emails, and dialogue from both Aces Gold, other posters, and Azbob himself. I was stunned. This jackass EARLIER THAT DAY recommended them to ME, without ANY mention of his feud with Aces. I'm sure Aces would be just extatic to see the name Azbob in the "referred by" box of my account application. Well, obviously, I never did post up with Aces (thank god) and emailed him on it. THEN, this guy has the GALL to email me back with a request that I send him a check for 1/2 of the referal bonus I received from Olympic from his deposit. We're talking about 50 bucks here folks. Needless to say, I nearly fell of my chair and responded with the old "the check's in the mail" routine. Apparantly, I wasn't a "friend" of good ol' Azbob.
Now, let's fast forward to the present. You have the f*cking AUDACITY to come in here and chastise Jack because he didn't warn people? Are you out of your friggen mind? Do you only have access to a terminal on Saturdays? My question is: WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR WARNING STATEMENT? In your first post in this thread you ask this forum and its readers " While other "watchdog" sites had information re: the status of Aces, I didn't see anything here. Why not?" Then, in the very next post you state, "I took care of my friends, you left your players hanging." Well, isn't that just dandy. Who, exactly, are your friends. I just looked up HYPOCRITE in the dictionary and there was a picture of your glowing mug right next to it.
Also, I would like to know your definition of a "watchdog site." In my opinion, a debate can be made that there really is no such things as a watchdog site. And if there is, this site certainly doesn't claim to be one. And as far as your claim that the pied piper led us rats down the sewer by requiring a post-up to enter a contest, let me offer this up. Requiring a minimal deposit is almost becoming a requirement for most book-sponsored contests nowadays. This was not some radical scheme conjured up to suck our loot away. These are all over the place. For the most part, books (in general) would like to do away with contests altogether. Why? Because books have come to identify "contest bangers" which can be characterized as folks who go around the web looking for a free lunch, bang every contest in sight, with no intention whatsoever of ever posting up with the sponsoring book. In my opinion, this is a shame, especially to those who actually intend to post up their own loot and MAY consider doing so in a book who sponsors a contest in which they enter. Let's face it, books sponsor contests as an advertising outlet. In fact, that's the actual definition of the word itself.
This site (and other sites like it) depend upon advertising to keep things running, and in this sense, is no different from thousands of other businesses. Were there warning signs that Aces was having trouble. Yes. But, up until yesterday, bookmakers and players were still behind them. I'll quote Hoops here, " the facts were...for over 6 years Aces/Sports Market was one of the most solid, respected offshore books in existence. Slow or no pay had NEVER been an issue. Square and wiseguys alike singed their praises...." To even SUGGEST that Jack and this site forsaw this and/or are responsible leaves me in an UPROAR and to allude that Jack misled this forum and sacrificed a pretty good chunk of his own dough for a few extra advertising dollars is equally rediculous, and quite frankly, bottomfeeder material........
Out of all the asinine, self-important posts you've made over the years (none of which I have commented on by the way), this one takes the cake. What the hell IS your agenda?
Let me provide the readers of this forum an experience that I had with you. A few years ago, I was asked by Azbob my opinion and experience with Olympic and my reply was that it was about as top notch book as you'll find and that I highly recommend them. A few days later, I received an e-mail saying that he had checked them out, had decided to post up there, and would list me as a referal. I thought this was a nice gesture and responded that I was looking for another out and relayed a list of books that I didn't have accounts with and was prepared to return the favor. I assume he compared this to the books he had accounts with and recommended to me (you guessed it) ACES GOLD! Now, in and of itself, there wasn't anything wrong with this. Aces was solid as a rock. But, that's not the end of the story. As I was surfing around the web later that day, I stumpled upon a thread in another forum. Come to find out, this entire thread was about an ongoing dispute that Azbob was having with (you guessed it) ACES GOLD! The exact nature of the dispute escapes me, but the tread contained extremely hostile posts, emails, and dialogue from both Aces Gold, other posters, and Azbob himself. I was stunned. This jackass EARLIER THAT DAY recommended them to ME, without ANY mention of his feud with Aces. I'm sure Aces would be just extatic to see the name Azbob in the "referred by" box of my account application. Well, obviously, I never did post up with Aces (thank god) and emailed him on it. THEN, this guy has the GALL to email me back with a request that I send him a check for 1/2 of the referal bonus I received from Olympic from his deposit. We're talking about 50 bucks here folks. Needless to say, I nearly fell of my chair and responded with the old "the check's in the mail" routine. Apparantly, I wasn't a "friend" of good ol' Azbob.
Now, let's fast forward to the present. You have the f*cking AUDACITY to come in here and chastise Jack because he didn't warn people? Are you out of your friggen mind? Do you only have access to a terminal on Saturdays? My question is: WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR WARNING STATEMENT? In your first post in this thread you ask this forum and its readers " While other "watchdog" sites had information re: the status of Aces, I didn't see anything here. Why not?" Then, in the very next post you state, "I took care of my friends, you left your players hanging." Well, isn't that just dandy. Who, exactly, are your friends. I just looked up HYPOCRITE in the dictionary and there was a picture of your glowing mug right next to it.
Also, I would like to know your definition of a "watchdog site." In my opinion, a debate can be made that there really is no such things as a watchdog site. And if there is, this site certainly doesn't claim to be one. And as far as your claim that the pied piper led us rats down the sewer by requiring a post-up to enter a contest, let me offer this up. Requiring a minimal deposit is almost becoming a requirement for most book-sponsored contests nowadays. This was not some radical scheme conjured up to suck our loot away. These are all over the place. For the most part, books (in general) would like to do away with contests altogether. Why? Because books have come to identify "contest bangers" which can be characterized as folks who go around the web looking for a free lunch, bang every contest in sight, with no intention whatsoever of ever posting up with the sponsoring book. In my opinion, this is a shame, especially to those who actually intend to post up their own loot and MAY consider doing so in a book who sponsors a contest in which they enter. Let's face it, books sponsor contests as an advertising outlet. In fact, that's the actual definition of the word itself.
This site (and other sites like it) depend upon advertising to keep things running, and in this sense, is no different from thousands of other businesses. Were there warning signs that Aces was having trouble. Yes. But, up until yesterday, bookmakers and players were still behind them. I'll quote Hoops here, " the facts were...for over 6 years Aces/Sports Market was one of the most solid, respected offshore books in existence. Slow or no pay had NEVER been an issue. Square and wiseguys alike singed their praises...." To even SUGGEST that Jack and this site forsaw this and/or are responsible leaves me in an UPROAR and to allude that Jack misled this forum and sacrificed a pretty good chunk of his own dough for a few extra advertising dollars is equally rediculous, and quite frankly, bottomfeeder material........
YYZ/Junior- Excellent posts...right on target.
What kills me is...even if it was true (make believe) that Azbob knew the collapse was going to take place yesterday morning, how could he possibly make a post such as he did when he should be the one getting raked over the coals for not letting the posters here and at the other forums know what was going to happen.
LOL...as Junior stated, WHERE WAS THE WARNING STATEMENT that Aces was going to declare bankruptcy yesterday?. Thanks for the help Az. Almost 400 posts and I think most of us are still waiting for the first useful or helpful bit of information that will be included in one.
What kills me is...even if it was true (make believe) that Azbob knew the collapse was going to take place yesterday morning, how could he possibly make a post such as he did when he should be the one getting raked over the coals for not letting the posters here and at the other forums know what was going to happen.
LOL...as Junior stated, WHERE WAS THE WARNING STATEMENT that Aces was going to declare bankruptcy yesterday?. Thanks for the help Az. Almost 400 posts and I think most of us are still waiting for the first useful or helpful bit of information that will be included in one.
i saw rumor right here at madjacks a few month about ace gold
having problem. what so funny is they has a big no juice or something last week. i play a ten teamer last week and hit 9 out of ten. if i would have hit for 36000 thousand , i would have been
taken a plane ride. that for sure lol and that would have been my fault for knowing something was fishy.
having problem. what so funny is they has a big no juice or something last week. i play a ten teamer last week and hit 9 out of ten. if i would have hit for 36000 thousand , i would have been
taken a plane ride. that for sure lol and that would have been my fault for knowing something was fishy.
