Marquez- Paq 2

[punchmaster]

Figured it wasn't too early to start talking about it. The money has been flowing in on Paq who was once available at -140, now -200.

Can't possibly be a bad fight. All indications are both guys trained their tails off. Marquez's age was bothering me a bit since Paq has freak stamina but then again, I didn't see Nate Campbell too winded at 36. Paq will enter the ring prob 142-144, at least 7 pounds more than JMM.

Marquez will have to fight a perfect fight with ultimate concentration for 12 rounds, but the thing is, he's capable of that. He'll have to hit Paq hard enough to gain some respect and keep Paq off him.

 

[gardenweasel]

i think you really said a mouthful when you mentioned the fact that marquez would have to "get manny`s respect"...

vasquez was sooo tough,he didn`t give a damn about giving rafael m. respect....and didn`t give a damn about the punishment he`d incur...

and as a result he`s part of boxing history....

if manny wants this REALLY BAD..and is willing to push the issue and be super aggressive,i think he can do a job similar to the jobs he did on barrera and morales.....

the key is to NOT let marquez settle into that comfortable pace he likes to fight at......

i don`t know whether manny shot a bit to much of his bolt in the first round of the first fight...or that marquez was just able to impose HIS pace after the first round debacle....

marquez,with a win here,coupled with his barrera win,might just be able to overtake barrera and morales as far as legendary mexicans go....

for manny,it would basically be a sweep of three of the greatest mexicans in history...an amazing feat...

theres alot on the line....

glad you posted this early...hadn`t given it much thought until i saw this....

 

[Romi]

I'm undecided. I'm hoping to catch the 1st fight again some time this week. As GW alluded to, Pac has to keep the pressure on and not give Marquez the range. It's a given that Roach will adjust the game plan...constant pressure and combination punching. Going for the HR w/a simple one-two isn't going to do it. Marquez needs to fight a near perfect fight. He had MB in all kinds of trouble and like his brother, he got a little careless and got dropped...although the ref blew the call. I'm leaning towards Pac but like the fight 2 wks ago, it's not one to bet the farm on.

 

[frank s.]

Pacquiao at 133 lbs. now. I like that. Roach removed him from his "rock star" environment of Manila. Marquez is the complete package, as we well know. Which begs the question, which guy may have improved since the last encounter? I lean towards Pacquiao. Word is he has discovered he has TWO hands. Marquez has always fought smart. I think Pacquiao will fight smarter than he has been known to. As far as I am concerned I think he has matured and is focused. It is no wonder this is lined at 11.5 rounds. It could go. Bottom line I see a LATE Pacquiao stoppage or at least a split dec. win. Play for me is Pacquiao.

 

[gardenweasel]

bobby pacquaio vs urbano antillon on thursday`s versus card....

shapes up to be a nice,action packed fight...

could be a tougher fight for antillon than one might think....,after loooking at pacquaio`s last 13 or so fights....

only legit losses to humberto soto and the thai in thailand(48-3 at the time).....with some wins vs decent opposition sprinkled in there...

good fight

 

[frank s.]

Homey! Please don't take offense, but perhaps you could have started a new thread for this fight. If there is interest, we don't want good info to get buried in a thread regarding a different topic. I say this with all due respect. Peace.

 

[gardenweasel]

Homey! Please don't take offense, but perhaps you could have started a new thread for this fight. If there is interest, we don't want good info to get buried in a thread regarding a different topic. I say this with all due respect. Peace.

homey stands corrected...an info malfunction...


wasn`t sure it was worthy of a single thread without a pick or some real helpful info.....

:shrug:

 

[frank s.]

I agree, however, someone else might have a strong opinion that can benefit us all. I personally don't have a clue on this one.

 

[The Sponge]

homey stands corrected...an info malfunction...


wasn`t sure it was worthy of a single thread without a pick or some real helpful info.....

:shrug:

You seem to been doing this a lot lately. You sure you are not drinking a little to much lately?

 

[gardenweasel]

i`m a uniter,not a divider..:SIB

 

[gardenweasel]

zippy

 

[Zerwas]

Anybody know who the housefighter is in this bout!?

Marquez didnt impress me against Barrera. Judging by this fight I would never bet on Marquez.

He looked really impressive against Juarez though, I have never seen him looking so sharp.

Pacman to me is still a pretty raw fighter with a ton of natural talent and abiltiy.

Marquez is just the better boxer.

I'm not really sure about the result, but at those odds I have to go with Marquez. Also, I dont see Marquez stopping the Pacman, so +300 on Marquez by decision looks quite compelling.

 

[frank s.]

Marquez did look impressive versus Juarez. Is this the same level of matchup? I don't think it is. It's doubtful Juarez is capable of delivering the same amount of relentless sustained pressure that Pacquaio is capable of. Lets not forget punching power/size difference. We are not camparing apples to apples here. I agree there is value with a Marquez play as he is a hi-line pro/top shelf all the way. At 5 years Pacs senior, I say he has his hands FULL big time here. I think the price is a little off, but the chalk premium is always assessed. Also Marquez, I think, has been trading more possibly to get more recognition as an "exciting" figther, and not the master counter-puncher. Versus a dynamo like Pac that could spell troube.

 

[almly]

Marquez didnt impress you against Barrera? I dont know how he didnt.

Spinch youre selling out your boy - wow. Wheres the love? I remember their first fight you were all over Marquez. I thought the guy was one of your favorites?

I'm laying off this one - cant call it. But I think Marquez has a decent shot at pulling this off.

 

[frank s.]

Did Marquez fight he BEST Barrerra we have ever seen? I say no. Morales did that.

 

[badjab]

liking Pac-man by decision at 2-1 :box2:

 

[Zerwas]

bodog
Either figther knocked down or out
2.60

(great bet when you consider that most books give 3.0 for a Pac ko alone)

5dimes has 2.0 on the same event so you can set up a surebet.

The line was actually as high as 3.0.

Might also be a good hedge bet on either the over or Marquez (by decision).

If Marquez gets knocked down but makes it to round x, you win both.


Manny Pacquiao points handicap
-7? (2.45)

5dimes has Pacquio -7 1.87


Unless Marquez suffers a knockdown in the first few rounds, this seems like a lock.
But of course it happened before...
Juan Manuel Marquez points handicap ( Lederman Card ) +1.5 pts after RD 3
1.50

2.7 for Marquez to be ahead after 3 rounds on Ledermans card, migth be worth a shot too.


Leader on Ledermans card after round 3 loses fight or draw
3.00

Unless one fighter gains a remarkable advantage in the first 3 rounds this is a good bet.
Especially if Marquez wins the first 3...

(If you combine, Pacman (straight), Marquez leads after 3 and leader after 3 loses or draws, you win at least one bet.
If you feel that Marquez will get off to a good start and Pacman catching up with Marquez eventually, this is a great combo. It worked out perfectly for me in the Taylor vs. Pavlik fight, but I dont have the same confidence here...)


I'm also on the over and Marquez WPTS, but I also have currently so many hedges and a very nice Ruiz-McCLine (over), Pacman (straight) parlay...it's just a tough fight.

Draw is worth a shot too of course, though the lines are very low. :shrug:

Good luck!

 

[frank s.]

So far I think Marquez wins 2 out of the first 3 rounds. I doubt he will get dropped 3 times again. I think Pacquaio will be patient and box more. It's not to say I don't think Pacquaio won't prevail, because I think he will by CLOSE decision.

 

[gardenweasel]

Marquez didnt impress you against Barrera? I dont know how he didnt.

Spinch youre selling out your boy - wow. Wheres the love? I remember their first fight you were all over Marquez. I thought the guy was one of your favorites?

I'm laying off this one - cant call it. But I think Marquez has a decent shot at pulling this off.

you remember how much i loved marquez before coming to this site?......good memory,bro....one of my all-time faves,no doubt...from early on in his career..

what worries me is that pacquaio/marquez sorta shapes up like vasquez/marquez.....

if...and i say IF.......manny decides this is it.....this is his career defining fight,he could be willing to take those counter punches to inflict as much damage as possible on marquez....and marquez does break up a bit in some fights...

maybe not a weight class worth of size difference here,but,manny`s the bigger puncher...probably quicker,and definitely more sudden with his power...he can turn momentum in a hurry..

i hate taking guys that you`re fairly confident will make you sweat 12 hard,tough rounds sitting on pins and needles to win....while the other guy makes you`re sphincter tighten every minute of every round...with the worry that the hammer can drop at any moment....

if i can get 2-1 with marquez,i might play him small to medium....wtf....i almost feel i owe the guy...i`ve gotten alot of joy watching him over the years..him,ricardo lopez/salvador sanchez/arguello.....the great little mexicans were so much fun to watch....

2-1 is pretty decent value....but,my gut says pacquaio will come to fight here...and thats not a good thing for marquez...

if i were roach,i`d make sure manny was in in tip top shape,and have him put pressure/pressure and more pressure on marquez....i think manny`s stronger and could out-tough and outlast marquez....

if he stands outside llike he did after the 1st round in the first fight,that`s marquez` game......

i hate paying 50 beans for this fight...not because of the money.....it`s more on principle.....i`m getting pissed at the poor undercards we`re seeing with mega-fights of late.... this is a pretty crappy undercard,imo....

don king seems like the only one that gives us decent undercards and he won`t be around that much longer...

 

[Zerwas]

I had Marquez ahead by one point, but I certainly wouldnt argue with a draw.

It's tough for me to see though how you can have Pacman ahaed by 2 points...