McCain a liberal? Please..

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John McCain Liberal? Bullshit! He's a Raging Warmonger
posted Sunday, 27 January 2008
A lazy, hazy myth has arisen out of

the mists of New Hampshire and South Carolina

Across the media, the grizzled 71-year-old Vietnam vet,

John McCain, is being billed as

the Republican liberals can live with

He is "a bipartisan progressive"

McCain has distinguished himself most as an ?ber-hawk on foreign policy.

To give a brief smorgasbord of his views: at a recent rally, he sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," to the tune of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann". He says North Korea should be threatened with "extinction".

McCain has mostly opposed using US power for humanitarian goals, jeering at proposals to intervene in Rwanda or Bosnia ? but he is very keen to use it for great power imperialism.

He brags he would be happy for US troops to remain in Iraq for 100 years, and declares: "I'm not at all embarrassed of my friendship with Henry Kissinger; I'm proud of it."

His most thorough biographer ? and recent supporter ? Matt Welch concludes:

"McCain's programme for fighting foreign wars would be the most openly militaristic and interventionist platform in the White House since Teddy Roosevelt...

"It is considerably more hawkish than anything George Bush has ever practised."

With him as president, we could expect much more aggressive destabilisation of Venezuela and Bolivia ? and more.

Don't be Deceived by the Myth of John McCain



He is "a bipartisan progressive"", "a principled hard liberal", "a decent man" ? in the words of liberal newspapers.

His fragile new front-runner status as we go into Super Tuesday is being seen as something to cautiously welcome, a kick to the rotten Republican establishment.

But the truth is that McCain is the candidate we should most fear. Not only is he to the right of Bush on a whole range of subjects, he is also the Republican candidate most likely to dispense with Hillary or Barack.

McCain is third-generation navy royalty, raised from a young age to be a senior figure in the Armed Forces, like his father and grandfather before him.

He was sent to one of the most elite boarding schools in America, then to a naval academy where he ranked 894th out of 899 students in ability.

He used nepotism to get ahead: when he was rejected by the National War College, he used his father's contacts with the Secretary of the Navy to make them reconsider. He then swiftly married the heiress to a multi-million dollar fortune.

Right up to his twenties, he remained a strikingly violent man, "ready to fight at the drop of a hat", according to his biographer Robert Timberg.

This rage seems to be at the core of his personality: describing his own childhood, McCain has written:

"At the smallest provocation I would go off into a mad frenzy, and then suddenly crash to the floor unconscious. When I got angry I held my breath until I blacked out."

But he claims he was transformed by his experiences in Vietnam ? a war he still defends as "noble" and "winnable", if only it had been fought harder. (More than three million Vietnamese died; how much harder could it be?)

His plane was shot down on a bombing raid over Hanoi, and he was captured and tortured for five years. To this day, he cannot lift his arms high enough to comb his own hair.

On his release, he used his wife's fortune to run to as a Republican senator. He was a standard-issue Reaganite corporate Republican ? until the Keating Five corruption scandal consumed him.

In 1987, it was revealed that McCain, along with four other senators, had taken huge campaign donations from a fraudster called Charles Keating.

In return they pressured government regulators not to look too hard into Keating's affairs, allowing him to commit even more fraud.

McCain later admitted: "I did it for no other reason than I valued [Keating's] support."

McCain took the only course that could possibly preserve his reputation: he turned the scandal into a debate about the political system, rather than his own personal corruption.

He said it showed how "we need to drive the special interests out of Washington", and became a high-profile campaigner for campaign finance reform.

But privately, his behaviour hasn't changed much. For example, in 2000 he lobbied federal regulators hard on behalf of a major campaign contributor, Paxson Communications, in an act the regulators spluttered was "highly unusual". He has never won an election without outspending his opponent.


McCain has mostly opposed using US power for humanitarian goals, jeering at proposals to intervene in Rwanda or Bosnia ? but he is very keen to use it for great power imperialism.

He learnt this philosophy from his father and his granddad Slew, who fought in the Philippine wars at the turn of the 20th century, where he was part of a mission to crush the local resistance to the US invasion.

They did it by forcing the entire population from their homes at gunpoint into "protection zones", and gunning down anybody over the age of ten who was found outside them. Today, McCain dreamily describes this as "an exotic adventure" which his grandfather "generally enjoyed".

Then McCain's father, John, led the US invasion of the Dominican Republic in 1965, at a time when there was a conflict on the Caribbean island.

On one side, there were forces loyal to Juan Bosch, the democratically elected left-wing President who was committed to land redistribution and helping the poor.

On the other side, there were forces who had overthrown the elected government and looked nostalgically to the playboy tyranny of Rafael Trujillo.

John McCain Snr intervened to ensure the supporters of the democratic government were crushed, bragging that it taught the natives "how to behave themselves".

He saw this as part of a wider mission, where the US would take over Britain's role as a "world empire".

These beliefs drive McCain today. He brags he would be happy for US troops to remain in Iraq for 100 years, and declares: "I'm not at all embarrassed of my friendship with Henry Kissinger; I'm proud of it."

His most thorough biographer ? and recent supporter ? Matt Welch concludes: "McCain's programme for fighting foreign wars would be the most openly militaristic and interventionist platform in the White House since Teddy Roosevelt...

It is considerably more hawkish than anything George Bush has ever practised."

With him as president, we could expect much more aggressive destabilisation of Venezuela and Bolivia ? and more.

So why do so many nice liberals have a weak spot for McCain? Well, to his credit, he doesn't hate immigrants: he proposed a programme to legalise the 12 million undocumented workers in the US.

He sincerely opposes torture, as a survivor of it himself. He has apologised for denying global warming and now advocates a cap on greenhouse gas emissions ? but only if China and India can also be locked into the system.

He is somewhat uncomfortable with the religious right (while supporting a ban on abortion and gay marriage).

It is a sign of how far to the right the Republican Party has drifted that these are considered signs of liberalism, rather than basic humanity.

Yet these sprinklings of sanity ? onto a very extreme programme ? are enough for a superficial, glib press to present McCain as "bipartisan" and "centrist".

Will this be enough to put white hair into the White House? At the moment, he has considerably higher positive ratings than Hillary Clinton, and beats her in some match-up polls.

If we don't start warning that the Real McCain is not the Real McCoy, we might sleepwalk into four more years of Republicanism.
 
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good article Reds, I just don't see him as any kind of threat. He is a small man with all of the charm and charisma of a hemorrhoid.
 
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I'm still not sure who I want to win. Sad candidates all the way around. I think most on the board would even agree to that.
 

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I'm still not sure who I want to win. Sad candidates all the way around. I think most on the board would even agree to that.

Other than Obama, I agree with you, Six Five. And the Clinton political machine and the "liberal" media will see to it that Hill will win the Dems nomination, and I don't see any way that McCain isn't the Reps choice.

Maybe Bloomberg gets in the race if the above two are the nominees...:shrug:


I wish I was as optimistic about McCain and his chance of being elected, Jabbs. I really don't see the choice in November being anything but Hill Vs McCain.
Give me some reasons why you think the tickets might be something different than what I think will happen...
 

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I was once ready to vote for him. BUT then I remember another old guy that was Prez who had his wife help run the country reading tea leafs. I can't see anyone his age taking on this younger guys job. I know he's a great American and paid more then his dues. But there are many like him that have done that. He might get buy first 4 years. But 8. He better have a very good VP selection or the dem's win easy.
 

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interesting piece about Obama's chances here

interesting piece about Obama's chances here

The longer the race, the better for Obama

By David Broder | Thursday, January 31, 2008

WASHINGTON ? Heading into Tuesday?s unprecedented day of voting in two dozen states, a degree of order is finally emerging in the dramatic races for the presidential nominations of both parties.

John McCain has the easiest path remaining to the Republican nomination, with Mitt Romney needing some kind of dramatic breakthrough Tuesday to keep his hopes of an upset alive.

On the Democratic side, the battle is more even, but the advantage has shifted back to Barack Obama. The U.S. senator from New York could still emerge from the ?Tsunami Tuesday? voting with the overall lead in delegates, but she is unlikely to be able to come close to clinching the nomination. And the longer the race goes on, the better the chances that Obama will ultimately prevail, as more elected Democratic officials and candidates come to view him as the better bet to defeat McCain in November.

As the race has moved from contests in small states such as Iowa and New Hampshire to the national dimension of Tuesday?s voting, the role of the endorsements and leadership testimonials has increased. The candidates simply lack the time and resources to make personal appeals to very many voters.

Had McCain not invested that personal time in New Hampshire, with more than 100 town meetings, he could not have reversed the summertime disaster that overtook his campaign, when he ran out of money and lost most of his senior staff.

But after turning back Romney in New Hampshire, the U.S. senator from Arizona picked up significant establishment backing in South Carolina and Florida. Now, with defeated Rudy Giuliani adding his voice to the chorus of endorsements, and with Mike Huckabee remaining in the race to challenge Romney from the religious right, McCain appears poised to lock up the nomination.

Unelected conservative ideologues ? Rush Limbaugh and George Will ? can mutter in frustration, but Republican politicians recognize what was written here as long ago as last Dec. 2: ?If the Republican Party really wanted to hold on to the White House in 2009 ... it would grit its teeth, swallow its doubts and nominate a ticket of John McCain for president and Mike Huckabee for vice president ? and president-in-waiting.?

The Democratic race remains harder to handicap, in part because Hillary Clinton already has demonstrated her resilience by fighting uphill battles to prevail in New Hampshire and Nevada.

But the last two weeks have seen a remarkable shift of establishment opinion against her and against the prospect of placing the party?s 2008 chances in the hands of her husband, Bill Clinton.

The prominence of his role in New Hampshire and South Carolina, and the mean-spiritedness of his attacks on Obama stunned many Democrats.

Clinton?s behavior underlined the warning raised in this column before Iowa, by a prominent veteran of the Clinton administration, that the prospect of two presidents both named Clinton sharing a single White House would be a huge problem for the Democrats in November if she is the nominee.

The negatives on the Clintons have brought much support to Obama, most notably that of Ted Kennedy. But it is also Obama?s own appeal that is being talked about across the country from Massachusetts to Arizona by the younger generation of governors, senators and representatives who share an eagerness to ?turn the page? on the battles of the past.

Obama is not inevitable, but the longer the race continues, the greater that hunger. And the growing recognition of McCain?s appeal to independents also works in Obama?s favor.
 

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Six-five is right there is not much to choose from. I can't say I support any of them.
 

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wit all dew respeck...he`s hillary clinton lite....

why else do you think every liberal newspaper is endorsing him as the republican nominee...because he`s the perfect fall back position in case lightning strikes and somebody happens to expose something on the pantsuit...

and he`ll be easy to defeat,despite what you read in the newspapers...

ask a democratic strategist who they least want to run against...they say mccain...that should clue you in...

because when you ask a republican strategist,they say they want hillary to win.....and that`s obviously bullshit...


i`m not gonna repeat the litany of examples on how this yo-yo has undercut conservatism for the past decade or more....do your own legwork...i posted it a couple of days ago....

this whole fricking article looks like it came straight from the teacher`s union or school board in san francisco...from the people that are trying to keep rotc out of schools...

the morons that don`t understand that their pink asses wouldn`t be able to protest rotc if not for the military that keeps these ignorant geeks safe...

their hatred of all things military shows just how dense they really are..

the only thing i can find acceptable about this jerk-off with "charlie brown hands" is the fact that he`s a war hero and he is strong on defense...with the exception of the border(which is a big exception).....

look,you guys are getting needlessly upset..mccain wins the republican nomination,he ain`t winning the general.....bnecause real conservative like myself,will sit this one out....and there are still enough of us to scuttle mcamnesty`s ship.....

i will NOT hold my nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils...i will not reward this sock puppet lookalike after his abysmal rino record on practically every conservative initiative in recent memory....

he`s the best thing that`s ever happened to the democratic party...

f-ck mccain and the msm bandwagon he rode in on...
 
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He is very liberal when it comes to immigration and completely changed his opinion on it due to the criticism..
 

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"i`m not gonna repeat the litany of examples on how this yo-yo has undercut conservatism for the past decade or more"

and you voted for Bush twice.

:00x12

Oh, I forgot, you like pussy chicken hawk deferment guys over people who actually served.
 
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