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ok this will be real hard now i am pain free but mind free also not thatni haveone anyawy.
still couldnot sleep and above abg oain so called ucla sr,hesent me ti firendnof his.
here is what i got to counot understand pharm lady and dr had scripts at his desk
soma 350 mg 1 every 8 hours 2 at bed
oxycontin 40 mg cr 1 every 12 hourses,i am out took it 45 or so ago dr's nurse did say dont mess aroud wuth thjsmi i am screwed up willnot be able to fight this off to stay awake thanks
 

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damn fletch

Hope ya feel better soon and don't get to drugged up, too much of those meds can be a bad thing. I found this out when I was sick in a hospital when I was a kid they overmedicated me and I tried to bite a nurses hand off. I was like 6 or 7 yrs old and had no recollection of the event, but the doctors said it was because they had me on too much medication. I was in for major surgery.

Hope ya feel better soon.

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Post 900 goes out to fletchers speedy recovery
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well it was 900, and once I posted again it became 901???????????????

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Fletch,

not sure what the soma is ? muscle relaxant?, Neemer will have to chip in here, but the oxycontin is long acting oxycodone, to smooth out the on/off effect of being pain free but sleepy, then grouchy and with pain every four hours. You turn to it when you have established the daily reqirements of painkiller, so as too smooth out the bumps. They don't want you to double up, etc because it stays in the system longer than the standard stuff and can build up.

Neemer ?soma don't know this one.

Get well Fletch.

Madjack's medical department is still thinkin' of ya

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all iknow is that 40 mg pill of oxyconain seems a hell of allot more potent then thoes 5/325 oxycodone.
and what did she mean by dont scre around with this? that suff was 202.68 for 40 pills is that normal? another good thing it didnot make me sick to my stomch like they others but this or the othrer stuffmis kicking my ass.
i really do want to thank everyone for thr help and advice it wont be forgot. also feel like mouth is dry as hell drinking almost 2 gallions of water with this i chocked doen 3 33.8 ounches of bottled water in 2 hours.
 

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Dude, You need help! You need to talk to a real Doc! Don't come in here askin.Better do it before ya really mess up yourself. Good Luck and get better.
 

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fletch...

Soma is for sleep, and should help you to relax enough to fall asleep. Pretty common drug and we see quite a bit of it. Only complaint I've heard is from people experiencing some slight sluggishness the next morning. If that one doesn't do the trick, then ask your doc. for some Ambien 5 or 10mg. Stuff is KICKASS! I've not heard one single complaint about people taking Ambien. They both are not drugs that you should have to take for the rest of your life. Perhaps a couple of weeks until you get back into your regular routine. Once again, you system will start to build up a tolerance for the medication and you'll find yourself needing higher and higher doses to fall asleep. I would really try and fall asleep without medication. If ya can't, then take a soma.

Oxycontin was the drug that I described in my last response to you. It is a very addicting and dangerous drug. Manufacturer if Purdue Pharma and initially the drug's purpose was for people suffering from cancer and other severe ailments. Just like your Percocet, the analgesic in Oxycontin is a drug called Oxycodone. Your percocet had 5mg of oxycodone, where as your oxycontin tablet has 40 milligrams of oxycodone. Oxycontin is also different in the fact that it is an extended release tablet and should give you relief for up to 12 hours. I would HIGHLY recommend that you stick to the doctor's orders. This is one of the strongest pain killers on the market, so watch yourself...
 

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Also Fletch, if you see your skin start turning red and you start itching a lot, then STOP taking the Soma. In some people, they have an allergic reaction to the drug so you need to be careful. Soma is a muscle relaxer that should make it easier for you to fall asleep. If you can't get some good sleep taking these two medications, then you need to inform your wife to go buy a hammer....
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RIPPER THANKS FOR LOOKING OUT I HAVE JUST SEEN ONE OF THE BEST DR IN THE US AT UCLA LAST WEEK,,,,,(soory capps) but nemmer and i oz are to very wellinford drs and pharmacist around,i woul match neemers knowelege up with antone out there and he has a great personal touch ,and tou just dont see that everyday and you are right nemmer this stuff is very very storng dont think i will need the soma.i havenot felt any pain since 3pm or so might skip bed time dose and take it ty 6-7 that way i can get on a good schulde,thanjs for looking out for me all of you guys.
ripper i wasnot bitching at you juut didnot know caps were on and thank you for your concern.
thiss stuff makes that percocte look like candy.and that is noe shit i knoe there id no way i will be going any where,i couldnot drive a car,its hard to explain but this is some owerful stuff. he even told me not to get in pool or tub,noe i see why, have a good night everyone
 

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Not a doctor but my mother is counselor at a high school, and there have been 3 kids die from overdosing on the oxycotine in the last year. Granted I think the kids were snorting the drug which nullifies the time release and makes it more potent but my point is this is some strong stuff. be careful
 

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Neemer, I give Ambien at the hospital all the time, and I absolutely hate it. Might be ok in a young guy like Fletch, but it really confuses about 30% of my elderly patients. Most of the others that it does not confuse, it doesn't work! I would rather give Restoril any day, or go with a tricyclic like Elavil.

PS, BTW, isn't Soma a muscle relaxer? It makes most people drowsy, but unless I am thinking wrong, it is a skeletal muscle relaxant on the lines of Flexeril, Robaxin, and Skelaxin. Also called Soma compound, right?

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Fletcher, hope u feel better soon. By your posts, u seem to really be F'ed UP! Oxycontin is a drug that I really don't like. People really abuse that here in Kentucky, and it is very hot on the black market. Neemer, wasn't that drug meant for cancer patients with chronic pain when it was developed on the lines of MS Contin?? Man it's abused. Stay away from it if u can, Fletcher. Good luck!
 

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Fletch iam not betraying anything since we have talked about this on the forum/ the drugs are going to lead to something else that we have worked too hard to overcome! get out a schedule and get to a meeting get around the ones that know what we are dealing with/ all i am trying to do is reach out and help Fletch/ that is what the program is all about/ one day at a time/horseshoe/gl and god bless

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Correct, Soma is defined as a muscle relaxer. Have a few folks that take it to calm them down enough to fall asleep. I can't imagine taking a soma & a 40mg tablet of Oxycontin! For anyone that is new to both medications, it would seem like this combination would put you in a coma!

The oxycontin is an extremely touchy issue especially in the state of Kentucky. There has even been a couple of robberies in your town concerning the stealing of oxycontin. One pharmacy in particular put candy in their oxycontin bottles every night before they closed. Well, for the third time, they were broken into and all the oxycontin bottles were stolen. I can't imagine the look on their faces when they opened that first bottle of oxycontin and out came a bunch of redhots!
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Was a front page story in my town as I'm sure it was in yours as well. On the street, the pills are going for about $1.00 a milligram and Purdue makes a 80mg tablet! Purdue Pharma had actually initiated production of a 160mg tablet, but with all the problems involved with the medication, they've decided not to produce the pill. Lots of pharmacies in the Kentucky area have simply quit stocking the drug, from fear of criminals breaking in their establishments. My particular place use to see lots and lots of oxycontin scripts. They have slowly fizzled away due to the amount of news coverage and problems the pill has created. The FDA has actually ask Purdue Pharma to restructure the chemical makeup of the drug to make it less addicting.

I was really surprised to hear that they wrote Fletch a script for 40mg; especially since he had never taken the drug previously. HELL, for all we know, the fella might STILL be asleep! This isn't a drug you should screw around with and lots of folks have said that the intense high from the drug is more than that of heroin!!

As for the Ambien, I'm really surprised to hear that. The results that I've witnessed have been totally opposite of what you described...
 

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Yeah, Neemer, they went Oxycontin nuts here last year. Every total hip or total knee got frikkin' oxycontin! The docs have toned it down a little, but I think it is still ridiculous how it is prescribed. One of my patients told me last week that her sister is on oxycontin, but that when she gets low on funds, she can sell them for 5 bucks a pill (10 mg), lmfao! That is so pitiful.

I am very down on Ambien now. Too many adverse side effects. However, I will preface this by saying it seems to just be my elderly patients (70 and up). I had a script for it personally soon after it was put on the market, however, and it did work well. Since the pt. population that I work with the most is elderly, maybe there are more bad side effects with this age group. I had a patient last week who told his family that the nurses had a gun fight with the state police in the hallway last night, and that we had taken their guns, lmfao! This was after he had taken Ambien for the first time. Another lady last month got out of bed by herself (with a surgically repaired broken hip that she was supposed to be non-weight bearing on) and was walking down the hall looking for the crying baby after taking Ambien. I have seen these side effects often. I haven't read any literature, however, with similar findings on adminstration of Ambien and the elderly. Take care!
 

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Horseshoe--
Completely unrelated to this subject, but I needed to ask you something. Would you give me permission to get your email address from MJ, or if you prefer ask MJ for mine. Thanks a lot.

And Fletcher, no pun intended but know this is a real pain in the ass. I really hope you're feeling better real soon.
 

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In order of increasing potency.....

Percocet (combination of Oxycodone and acetaminophen, AKA Tylenol)

Vicodin (same as Percocet, only higher concentration of Oxycodone and Tylenol)

Oxycodone

MSContin (oral form of Morphine)

Demerol (only in IV)

Morphine (IV)

All of the above are Opioid Anagesics, which all have high addiction and abuse potential because of the euphoric feeling that these meds provide, on top of the analgesic effect they have. The reason these meds are dangerous, especially Oxycodone and up, because they act CENTRALLY, which means in your central nervous system. That's why there're are high incidences of psychosis and hallucinations in people who take them.


Soma, as many pointed out above, is a pure muscle relaxant. It does not have the psychogenic side-effects of the meds above because it does not act centrally, but it produces profound systemic muscle relaxant effect that you feel more like you're stoned without the "munchies".

And in defense of Ambien, even though I don't prescribe it as often as Restoril or others, more than 60% of the population over the age of 60 have some underlying dementia. So it's only natural when you give them a sleeping pill that they become confused and do things that they normally don't, but they generally do not become psychotic, unless there's some preexisting baseline psychosis to begin with.

Bottom line is, the fewer meds you're on, the better. EVERY SINGLE MEDS OUT THERE HAS TONS OF SIDE-EFFECTS. So the fewer you're on, the better.

Get well soon Fletch, if you're using Soma to loosen your muscles and joints, and taking Oxycodone to block the pain, then I'd assume that your back problem is more structural, and is quite bad. Everyone is down on surgery, but there're many outstanding Orthopedic surgeons out there and pain specialists. A few bad apples don't spoil the whole basket. My advise is to get a 2nd, and 3rd opinion on how you can finally nip this in the butt, because you're given meds to MASK THE SYMPTOMS, NOT TO CURE your back problem.
 

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baker/jack has my permission to fwd my email address to anyone on this forum but he is not a post office which i appreciate/ i love this forum and sure do not want jack to get upset w/me/ fletch let me hear from you

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