My subjective golf out reviews - since DOGS asked

buckeye

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There are three major things I look for in a golf out, others priorities will obviously be very different.
1. Head-to-Head matchups. The more variety, diversity, quantity, and consistency the better ( 72, 18, 36 holes, each round, etc. ).
2. Vigorish. The less vig the better shot we bettors have at scrapping out some winnings. ( 30 or 40 cent lines, 3-way ties lose, forcing tie-breakers, and other gimmicks designed to screw the bettor/punter are sometimes reason enough for me to stay away )
3. Parlay-ability. Most don't care about this, but I like the option and enjoy combo/parlay bets on "lean-only" matches for low stakes.

5dimes
Positives: Large number of lines, both 72holers and 18holers for every round. Includes some Sr, LPGA, Euro and props on occasion. Allow parlays on the majority of matchups. Have props more than most as well.
Negatives: Do use 30cent lines for many matchups and aren?t as early to hang lines as some other outs.

CAMELOT
Positives: An incredible number of matchups ( particularly for the US Open ) all at 20cents with a widening base of tours offered. Include many unique "home grown" matchups and some props. Decent and consistent number of 18 holers on offer every round. Like SIA, they let you parlay virtually anything together ? within reason. Gained ground FAST and probably the best all-around golf out offshore today.
Negatives: Not too many, but the scoring props have disappeared after the US Open (I guess they were too costly or hard to set - bring em back Mark! ). Their lines are pretty sharp as well, dammit.

GOTO,$plays
Also could lump Island and a couple others as all seem to use the same matchups and opening lines and s/w.
Positives: Have been pretty consistent for several years with 18holers and not all "Don Best" matchups only.
Negatives: 30cent lines on 18holers and not a huge number of matchups provided, plus NO PARLAYS.

WSEX
Positives: Interactives almost every week and typically the earliest posted, sometimes "unique", matchups that are always 20cents and parlay-able. Do sometimes have 18 holers, particularly on weekends.
Negatives: Often 5-8 matchups only. Sometimes pause interactives at inopportune times.

CANBET
Positives: Also allow parlays on all matchups and consistently offer the "garden variety" 6-8 Don Best matchups but sometimes very opinionated.
Negatives: No 18 holers and sparse offerings, but I just like this out's approach to things.

CARIB
Positives: Mostly 20cent lines. Do allow parlays. I don?t use them currently, but I may again.
Negatives: Have been quick to revert to 30cent lines after a bad week and traditionally they are inconsistent in their golf offerings.

INTERTOPS
Positives: They may be the second earliest to hang lines to WSEX. Occasionally have a good line.
Negatives: Recently switched to 30cent lines after 20cent for years, arrgggh, also going more to 3balls and their matchups usually suck compared to most outs. They often don?t allow parlaying anymore either and have gone dramatically downhill in golf, IMO. Their limits are also lower than most and I hate navigating their site. They also consistently offer the worst Tiger odds I have ever seen!

OLYMPIC
Positives: Have unique 36hole and 18hole continuation bets on the weekend, which can be interesting.
Negatives: All 30cent lines including those that most others offer at 20. Makes their 72holers practically worthless to even look at. No parlays, and only props for majors which is different than most sports there. Sharp linesmaker to boot.

Sportsinteraction
Positives: Virtually let you parlay anything together which is cool. I don?t often play them, but their futures odds seem better than most others and they let you separate the place betting ( not forced to e/w ).
Negatives: Jack around what vig and style they use ( 3-way, 30 cent, etc ) from week to week which has turned me off them for golf most of the year.

WWTS, DIRECBET, WAGERWORLDWIDE, FAIRDEAL, GCS
These are just some of the many outs that offer pretty standard, "DonBest" matchups-only, with no parlays and little originality. I?ll use them to line shop a little, but not much to offer that interests me.

EASYBETS, sportingbet, willhill, sportsfanatik, gamblerspalace
Other outs I have stopped using for various reasons. Mostly 3-way, excessive vig, or I just couldn?t win there, so I didn't re-up after breaking even.

PINNACLE
I haven?t upped with them yet, but I will likely by FB season and I like their "reduced vig" 16cent lines. Just haven?t found a matchup I like there yet to tempt me to post up.

There are others I have used that aren't worth mentioning, others I can't use ( like Centrebet and some UK's ), and others that specialize in futures or 3-way, which I am disinterested in.

I had done some of these reviews for a friend of mine, just recently, wanting to get into golf betting so I just had to update them a little. He is a bigger "parlay freak" than I am so I emphasized that a little more for him. He is into NASCAR futures so I had to disuade him from them, to concentrate on matchups. No considerations for payouts, customer service, etc. are given. Just my opinion on the three things I look for in golf betting.

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Buckeye - tremendous info that's much appreciated.
I'm almost exclusively a coat-tailer thru the fine work of the experts of the forum but have opened a number of outs to make sure I get the best line I can on the plays recommended.
Thanks again for the heads-up on what to look for...
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good info buckeye. one thing though, i bet a golf matchup parlay at intertops last week(unfortunately)
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Most excellent indeed Buck.It is uncanny I have been making notes for post since I posed question in other thread and our books in common compare almost verbadum.(spl)
I had never plan to have over 4 books for golf outs but through the process have accounts at the following and here are my takes on them.

5Dimes:See Bucks nothing to add here but 100% agreement

Camelot
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itto on above with emphasis on sharp lines.Funny note is it is only book I have ever re-uped with and not had a wager graded yet.Started with $300 prior to Open and had to add $500 before I ever had a bet graded
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WSEX Ditto with Buck again.If inter's were ran the way they were proclaimed to be with line movement dictated by players moves only would be great punters play.

Oly:Only book I know with weekly place only odds paying posted odds.Aside from that you better have deep pockets to play with them in any sport with thier excess juice especially golf as they post their 30cent lines only after all other books have had any weak lines hammered.Aside from being top notch outfit as far as safety an customer I refuse to bet into their lines in most sports.Do bet their continuation wagers occasionally.

Pinnacle & Direcbet:Find an occassional gem in their usually identicle matches.Will stay posted @ Pinnacle out of appreciation for lowest golf juice out there.Directbet did go out on limb for 2 weeks with place only option but have not seen any since.Have any idea why books are reluctant to put them up Mark?
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Sportingbet UK: Use to have slogan before they changed format that said "unbeatable lines"which you could take literally.For premier book in UK I fail to see how they get customers.34 cent lines-ties lose-pay 4 places E/W.They have the worse of all worlds.
Did make a profit there in 2000,how I don't know.Withdrew all funds at start of year with exception of funds they credited me for from out that went under which they absorbed.Felt obligated to play it out with them.Did use them and still do,though limited, on 3balls.Last year they lined many but this year not near as many and they post mostly ones now that are of a competative nature avoiding the weak sisters making it much tougher and resulting in many ties and we know what they do.Don't know if entire blame goes to them cause it appears that tourney sites are matching more competative 3somes in 1st 2 rounds for tv sake.Have determined if account falls to $200 will use that balance to wager on "to tie only" bets on a little data I have been storing on ties in competive matches.Should be interesting.


Surrey.If you bet outrights like many do here I would say it would be one of the premier outs one would have to have.Personally when my intial stake with them is gone so am I.Frankly I can't figure out how these books get people to play their ties lose and forced win bet wager to get place wager when one doesn't have to.Would take the latter statement as "personal" gripe and would consider others views more favorably.
Also they have the worst loading and software I have ever used.Won't even give you anticipated payoff on accumulators.

Moneyplays: Saved the best for last.Ever have that "lucky"book.Over half of above accounts have been funded through them.Same format as 5Dimes but not as many matches but always have a few hidden gems in there.Do not let you parlay like 5Dimes though.
 

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sandwedge, ITOPS does still sometimes include the golf matchups on their "specialty" category for parlays - like you got last week. What I don't like is they sometimes forget, or only start allowing them Thurs morning. I DETEST inconsistency like that in a book. The last 3-4 times they had enough reasonable lines I wanted to parlay a little( when their lines were still 20 cents ) they didn't allow it at all.

DOGS, funny thing is that GOTO has been for me like $plays has been for you
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Also hit some nice parlays at Canbet and they have been kind to me for months. Really ironic that I also re-upped in the middle of the US Open with Camelot, for just over a nickel, as Mark was hanging lines faster than I could play them
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I've mentioned this before, but why I consider OLY's linesmaker sharp is the following. Even after they wait until every other book has hung the Don Best matchups and had them righted by golf bettors for days, and they add the 30cent BS lines to them, they occasionally STILL have some opinionated lines. One thing I've noticed is the JUICY side almost ALWAYS loses!!! I am sometimes already on the other side, that's how I started noticing this, but if the trend continues, I may start banging those plays even harder elsewhere. As early as OLY posts lines in other sports, they have NO GUTS with 72hole matchups for golf, which makes them worthless for playing those there!

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Simon Bold put up some brilliant match bets unfortunately they usually only last 10 mins they have been taken over by betinternet so things may change ,unitedbet have also been known to make a few mistakes Doonhamer
 

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Doonhamer,
Simon Bold is another 3-way "ties lose" out that also has 22cent lines. I am currently boycotting all 3-way outs as my PUSH/TIE ratio has been very high all year. Even at 5%, it more than doubles the VIG on 22 cent lines and ranks up there with VC and the like ( 40 cent lines ) as rip-off outs. At least betinternet has 10 cent 3-way lines. If I were going to break my boycott, it would be there I guess. 72hole matches should not tie nearly as much as they have been for me, so 10 cent 3-way isn't totally out of the question. I have seen a few outs play with zerocent 3-way for dailies. Though 18hole matchups tie at a MUCH higher rate, at least they were attempting to be fairer.

I know that matchups with perceived value can be found at many of these 3-way outs, but it isn't worth the added risk IMO, and so I will stay away on principle. I have more than enough outs as it is anyway!

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Have to disagree with you mate I think you guys put to much emphasis on vig juice bookmakers % etc I have 28 different outs and I bet where I see the best value I think it is folly to stay loyal to just a few books anyway if i back a player to win a 72 hole match and he draws why should i get my money back I would rather have the 1.9 and take the chance eg this week Simon Bold bet 9/10 Bjorn v Baddeley 9/10 and 16/1 tie what would say Camelot have quoted on this match I would suggest 1.5 Bjorn and 2.6 Baddeley cheers for now and be lucky Doonhamer
 

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doonhamer,
As you can read, I use upwards of 15 outs for golf, not loyal to just a few. My thoughts are that the value of many 3-way lines is deflated by the tie losing. You may discount the vig being important, that's your perogative, but I feel it is VERY IMPORTANT on both sides of the counter. I won't play a worse line just because it is at one of my favorite outs, but I don't mind a slightly worse line at a 2-way vs 3-way, as "tie insurance". I have found 3-way betting to be much harder to beat, I don't think it is a coincidence, or the linesmakers being better. I think there is a DIRECT CAUSAL relationship to extreme vig and hold % and more player/punter losses. It is just LOGICAL! The higher the vig, the bigger your winning % must be ( relatively ) to offset it and win cash. I have won at some 3-way outs, I just don't think it is worth it and I'm currently tieing a relatively HUGE % of matchups. I have had a number of days lately with more ties than W and L combined. At a 3-way that's a KILLER. To each his own mate, I'm just advocating that what's good for the book is bad for the punter!

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Stupid question here ....

What does it mean to have a wager "graded" and why is it done? I have noticed it in my GCS account but never paid any attention to it until I saw someone mention it earlier.. I think it was DTB's post.

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American term for marking something academically, seems the bookies use it too, just their term for the process of working out what option on a bet won or lost
 

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For golf betting

Betinternet
Surrey

both offer 1/4 top 5

think Victor Chandler does too, but don't use them currently, not a lot else of interest

William Hill/Ladbrokes/Coral etc. let you do 1/5 top 5 which is useful as well I think.
 

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Originally posted by AussieVamp2:
American term for marking something academically, seems the bookies use it too, just their term for the process of working out what option on a bet won or lost

Thanks for answering.
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Looking forward to the British Open.
 
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