NCAA 2005 GAMES OF THE YEAR LINES???

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Just wanted to see if anyone had seen these lines released on any of their online books yet? They usually come out around this time of year, and I was hoping to get down on them as soon as they are posted. If anyone sees them pop up, or knows somewhere they are already posted, please let me know......

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I go to Ariz State and am probably biased - but too see them as 15.5 point dogs to USC @ home seems wayy too much for me. ASU will be so fired up for this game and playing at home I really think it will be within two td's!! I think if USC is undefeated ASU could potentially win outright. By October 1st I feel the line will def be under 10 probable closer to 7.5. Anyone else agree with me or think that they see other lines on this site that seem to be way off??

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cant believe we are talking college football already...time is really flying this offseason

anyways..im by no means a college football expert..but i can hold my own...and i did a double take when i saw Boston College getting points against North Carolina...

BC will have a great running game this year..and the NC defense cant stop anyone..at least not last year...and Bc will have solid defense this year especially on D line and pressuring the QB

I can see BC laying by the time that game actually rolls around...

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USC -15.5 versus ASU seems a little high to me as well. Keep in mind USC will be playing back to back road games - week prior at Oregon. I think this game is the biggest trap on the USC schedule. If Keller is the real deal, ASU should be a legitamate threat. Last year's game, ASU just panicked after getting down early and fell apart. I wouldn't expect them to do that at home with that game fresh in their memories.

Furthermore, when you look at SC's road games last year, they did struggle in several - Stanford, Va Tech, Ore St, UCLA.
 

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actually the trap game on $C schedule is at home vs arizona.....i could be a homer (think that we have a small, small shot at winning outright)...but ua getting a ton of points is tempting sc will have played

at oregon
at asu
Arizona
at notre dame the following week

they could come home with a cruise control mind-set (especially if they are undefeated) and be looking fwd to the game at nd which nobody has won on the road in a while......taking arizona and the 20+ points will be on my radar.....we played them very tough for 2.5 quarters at la last year and we should be better this year....
 

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Sorry, I just don't see it this year. Arizona might be moving in the right direction, but they just don't have the offensive firepower yet. Their D should hold SC under 40, but I just dont see them scoring much.
 

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i'd put out chances of winning somewhere much much lower than 1%

however this is truly a trap game for SC as far as the cover goes....

last year we were getting 37....i'll take that again (or 28+) as i think sc sleepwalks thru this game....

@ oregon, @ asu, with @nd on tap....playing one of the percieved bottom teams in the pac-10 in arizona....has arizona cover written all over it
 

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oasis has usc only -12.5 over arizona. that line looks really low to me.
 

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flapjack said:
Furthermore, when you look at SC's road games last year, they did struggle in several - Stanford, Va Tech, Ore St, UCLA.

V-Tech was 1st game of year and Stanford the first conf. game of year. Remember last year USC was in rebuilding mode. Brand new OL, brand new WR's, brand new FB, starting TE injured 1/2 year, and off the field distractions with losing starting RB to false rape charges and Mike Williams wanting back. That might be the reason USC struggled early in year and this season will be Pete Carroll's most experienced team he has fielded at USC. So last years results is not a good indication how this years team will produce early in season or on road.

Oregon St. game was played in fog where you could not see 20 yards down field. Watching it on TV you barely could see players and never see the ball in air. Horrible conditions. Plus OSU scored meaningless late TD to make game closer than what it really was. UCLA of course is USC's rival and USC had Chow interviewing for coaching positions all week prior to UCLA. One reason Carroll wasn't so sad about Chow leaving. In that game USC lost there best lineman and his replacement was an injured true frosh who was beat 3-4 times in game that killed USC drives. I am talking completely blown up plays. It was sad.

SANKS

ASU getting 15.5 pts looks good but I think you will get even more pts week of the game. USC might be 20+ favorites. Public and media is going to go crazy with this years USC team. USC will be OVER-PRICED! Especially if USC starts season off strong. There is no learning curve for USC offense this year. Everyone is experienced and will be a highlight show every game. Media/public will be in awe and USC will be overpriced.


gjn23

I agree Arizona is a trap game but Carroll & staff do an amazing job in not letting USC players relax or get complacent. They practice the same way each and every week with same intensity. Since Carroll doesn't guarantee anybody a starting job, everyone has to stay on top of things or a highly touted player behind you will replace you. He also plays so many players on gameday that even the backups practice very hard. Perfect system Carroll has created.


txag said:
oasis has usc only -12.5 over arizona. that line looks really low to me.

That is low. USC will be 20+ favorites. Maybe 30+ favorites if Arizona doesn't look real impressive. What is the max you can bet on that?


cooz3

Good info. My favorite angle to bet in CFB is taking a strong rushing attack going against a weak rushing defensive team. Thanks for info!




If you posters are looking for good game to bet against USC, take a peek at Arkansas @USC. USC has new inexperienced DT's and replacing 2 LB's. Arkansas is a very experienced team outside there QB position. If they can establish a running game against USC they can keep USC's high powered offense off the field. Remember, this will only be USC's 2nd game and USC has new DL, OL and OC coaches. USC might make some coaching mistakes since this is only the 2nd game of year against an experienced team. Not saying Arky will win but they could cover.

The game that worries me the most for USC is @Oregon.
 

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Scott, I attended all four of those road games in person. To explain away all four games where USC was pushed to the limit by inferior teams including playing in some not so hostile environments - Stanford, UCLA does not make sense.

Playing on the road is tough no matter who you are and playing back to back road games next year against conference foes who should be fairly strong (Oregon - OK team, very hostile environ; ASU potentially very good team, not so hostile environ). And, then giving 15.5 points in the 2nd road game against a team looking for revenge - early in the season (Where USC has over the past 4 years looked like a different team than in the 2nd half of the seaon) is risky to say the least. USC could easily crush ASU again, but I think it will be a close game with potential upset possibilities.

Conversley, I'm not ready to hop on the Arizona bandwagon yet. USC playing Arizona at home only giving 12.5 points sounds like easy money to me. After 2 weeks on the road, the team will be ready to pound someone at home. Arizona's D may hold USC to 25-35 points (If they play lights out), but I don't see more than single digits out of Arizona's offense in that game.
 

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South Carolina laying 5.5 against Clemson???

Clemson has won 6 of 7, returns more players than SC, and has only lost twice at SC in the last 22 years. And Clemson is getting points???

Take advantage of the Spurrier factor here. Clemson will be 7-10 point chalk come November.
 

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Scott, I attended all four of those road games in person. To explain away all four games where USC was pushed to the limit by inferior teams including playing in some not so hostile environments - Stanford, UCLA does not make sense.

Are you a USC fan? Do you go to all USC home/away games? If you are not a USC fan, why are you going to their away games? Curious.

Tell me where my explanation is off base.

Game 1 @V-Tech

USC has brand new OL, new WR's, new TE, new FB, off field problems with starting RB Dennis and WR Mike Williams. Playing first game of year on the road across the country with 60k+ hokie fans vs 15k USC fans. Isn't V-Tech a quality opponent? THAT IS THE REASON CARROLL IS THE #1 coach in CFB. Nobody else in the country would win that game under those circumstances. Of course the game is going to be close and USC will struggle.

Game 2 @ Stanford

1st conf. game of year on road. Early in season and USC is still has issues with inexperience WR's, OL, FB, TE, etc etc. Of course USC will struggle. In this particular game, Stanford played great 1h and was getting all the breaks. For example ball going off USC WR helmit and bounced in air right into stanford DB which led to Cardinal score. With 10 sec in half stanford running the clock out with handoff and it goes for 80 yard TD because USC defense for some reason lost concentration. It was $hit half for USC and great half for Stanford. 2h was different story. Again, USC was VERY YOUNG and VERY INEXPERIENCE last year. Especially early in season. Of course USC might struggle @Stanford. But only for one half and overcame horrible breaks that went Stanfords way.

Game #3 @Oregon St.

USC is now is not really a young inexperienced team but this game was in HORRIBLE conditions. So horrible conditions, you couldn't see 20 yards downfield. Never seen fog that thick before. You hardly could watch on TV and anytime ball was thrown you lost sight of it. I think these horrible weather conditions sorta even the playing field. If anything, OSU players have practiced in fog before and this def. was first time USC players played in. On road, horrible weather conditions, UPSETS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME! But USC if I remember correctly in this game had double digit lead late in 4th and gave up a meaningless TD to OSU at end of game.

Game #4 @UCLA

Ok, USC is now experienced and rolling. Had a whole season to play and Carroll has his team rolling. USC just beat rivals ND and now plus play cross town rival UCLA. UCLA has been waiting all year for this game and is the most important game of the year for them. UCLA had over 2 weeks to prepare for this game and install new stuff etc. Almost like a bowl game. USC had 1 week. USC basically had complete control of this game. UCLA got a long TD return that kept them in game but that never would have happened if ref called a blatant hold on USC. Ref also could have called fumble on USC on Bush but didn't. So it evened out although I think USC got worst of it because UCLA return kept UCLA in game. But point is USC had complete control of the game throughout. UCLA stayed in game because starting OL Baker got hurt and his replacement was true freshman BYERS who was playing with disk problem in his back. UCLA freshman DL blew past Byers at least 3 times and destroyed 3 offensive plays for USC. That would not have happened if Baker was in game. Lets not forget USC would have called the game a lot differently if they did not have game in control in 2h. USC sorta went on cruise control and UCLA with some breaks could have had chance to pull upset. Also, don't forget Chow was interviewing for HC position all week prior to UCLA game while UCLA had 3 weeks to prepare for USC. You know damn well UCLA coaches were treating this game as BCS NC game. All in all, it was VERY tight at end of game, but USC had game in control for most of day.

Playing on the road is tough no matter who you are and playing back to back road games next year against conference foes who should be fairly strong (Oregon - OK team, very hostile environ; ASU potentially very good team, not so hostile environ).

I agree completely. I wish SEC folks would realize this. Their are SEC teams who start season off playing 3,4,even 5 straight home games. How could anybody respect that? On top of that, look at the teams they are playing at home. :flush:

And, then giving 15.5 points in the 2nd road game against a team looking for revenge - early in the season (Where USC has over the past 4 years looked like a different team than in the 2nd half of the seaon) is risky to say the least. USC could easily crush ASU again, but I think it will be a close game with potential upset possibilities.

You make great pts but last years USC team is different than this years USC team. USC only has inexperience at DT's and LB's. USC may not be as good as last year (we just don't know) but I think it is safe to say that this will be Carrolls BEST and MOST experienced team heading into the season. BTW, I think there will be 6-8 games this year where USC will get their opponents "A" game and this is prob. one of them. HUGE TARGET ON USC! USC prob. won't bring their "A" game to 4-5 games.

Conversley, I'm not ready to hop on the Arizona bandwagon yet. USC playing Arizona at home only giving 12.5 points sounds like easy money to me. After 2 weeks on the road, the team will be ready to pound someone at home. Arizona's D may hold USC to 25-35 points (If they play lights out), but I don't see more than single digits out of Arizona's offense in that game.

I agree it looks like easy money.
 
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