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[DOGS THAT BARK]

Was driving back from Madisonville today and a thought struck me bout last weeks tourney. What a perfect tourney to gage players ability in the wind. Four days of exact weather 5 to 7 mph throughout start to finish and 17 to 25 mph from start to finish last day.Thus giving all same play on Pga with wind and without.
Just got done going through entire card and if anybody wants it I will scan results entire field that made cut and post it here or if you want just the extremes will post that. It is amazing the few earmarked prior as wind dogs fell true to form. I somewhat adjusted final rd score allowing no more than double on any hole as there were trips and quads that I believe would taint results.
One quirk I found odd but not related is 5 of top 6 (all but Herron)Played the same courses each day????

 

[Clive]

Yes please DTB

Also be interested in a scoring ave of players who played in rd 5 last week in this week's event v players who did not play in Rd 5....does that make sense!!??

What I want to know is the effect of the wind on their swings the following week?? In other words, is it a good policy to avoid players who have played in high winds when they turn out the following week...everybody assumes it does, which means it will only be possible to profit if it does not, if you see what I mean! Betting against the crowd as it were...

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I understand what your looking for Clive but not sure how you want it done? I'll getting ready to log off but will check back at about 2:30 am when I get to office to see exactly what you want done and see if I can accomodate you.

 

[Stanley]

I'll getting ready to log off but will check back at about 2:30 am when I get to office

:scared :nooo:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

:lol: It just a habit Stan. I like it when it is peaceful and quite.
I can get much more done from 4am to 8 am than I could from 8am to 4pm--plus it leaves afternoons free for more important things,like golf

Debated on how to display this an opted for final scoreboard which will make things more evident.Otherwise there would be players such as Haas who shot great final rd of 69 in wind get mis project as it was 8 shots off his 61 there in no wind.
The round circled is prior rd at pga and #s written is strokes I have subtracted off triples and quads reducing them to double bogie.
Players that fell into line with stats charted past 2 years were
good wind
Mick
Verplank
Lickliter
Sluman
Hart
Bad wind players
Huston
Cook
Funk
Couples
Daly (despite winning British open)
One that was skewed was K Perry who I had rated B+ in wind but faltered.
New guys I have put on alert to watch in future
Pampling 8 strokes diff
Crane 10 strokes
Micheel 9 strokes
Brehaut 11 strokes
Moore 9 strokes

Shit I scanned to email to myself but it won't let me cut and paste?
Any answers how to do it or else I'll email them to ya.
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I'll cut an paste leaderboaord # after their total score is the rd they played on PGA course with no wind.


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Position Player Name
First/Last Scoring Rounds Total
Score
Current Start Today Thru To Par 1 2 3 4 5
1 T2 Mike Weir -5 F -30 67 64 65 67 67 330 -2
2 T2 Jay Haas -3 F -28 67 61 67 68 69 332 -2
T3 T4 Chris DiMarco -2 F -26 64 68 66 66 70 334 -2
T3 1 Tim Herron 3 F -26 69 64 61 65 75 334 -3
5 T4 David Gossett E F -24 69 67 62 66 72 336 -2
T6 T33 Phil Mickelson* -5 F -23 70 68 63 69 67 337-2
T6 T8 Pat Perez -1 F -23 69 61 70 66 71 337 -3
T8 T39 Jonathan Kaye* -5 F -22 66 71 64 70 67 338-2
T8 T19 Justin Leonard -2 F -22 66 67 69 66 70 338 -4
T8 T13 Harrison Frazar -1 F -22 67 62 72 66 71 338-1
T8 T6 Stephen Ames 1 F -22 63 67 64 71 73 338 -1
T12 T25 Scott Verplank -2 F -21 70 69 64 66 70 339 -2
T12 T19 Jerry Kelly -1 F -21 71 66 64 67 71 339 -3
T12 T19 Davis Love III -1 F -21 67 64 68 69 71 339 -4
T12 T13 Frank Lickliter II E F -21 65 72 63 67 72 339 -2
T16 T39 Joey Sindelar* -3 F -20 69 69 65 68 69 340 -4
T16 T25 J.L. Lewis -1 F -20 67 65 65 72 71 340 -4
T16 T39 Kirk Triplett* -3 F -20 68 67 70 66 69 340 --1
T16 T13 Cliff Kresge 1 F -20 67 65 67 68 73 340 -2
T16 T8 Steve Lowery 2 F -20 68 68 62 68 74 340 --2
T21 T25 Skip Kendall E F -19 69 68 66 66 72 341 -2
T21 T39 Jeff Sluman* -2 F -19 68 69 69 65 70 341-2

T21 T13 Todd Fischer 2 F -19 68 66 66 67 74 341 -2
T21 T13 Rod Pampling 2 F -19 65 66 65 71 74 341 -2

T21 T59 Jeff Maggert* -5 F -19 70 66 68 70 67 341 -2
T21 T8 Doug Barron 3 F -19 66 67 66 67 75 341 -1
T21 T8 John Maginnes 3 F -19 71 64 67 64 75 341 -1
T28 T25 Tom Pernice, Jr. 1 F -18 69 66 70 64 73 342 -4
T28 T49 Kevin Sutherland* -2 F -18 70 66 67 69 70 342 -1
T28 T56 Dudley Hart* -3 F -18 69 69 67 68 69 342 -1
T28 T6 Chad Campbell 5 F -18 68 68 65 64 77 342 -4
T32 T25 Dan Forsman 2 F -17 66 71 67 65 74 343 -4
T32 T39 David Peoples* E F -17 70 65 71 65 72 343 --3
T32 T19 John Huston 3 F -17 66 66 70 66 75 343 -1
T32 T19 Briny Baird 3 F -17 71 66 66 65 75 343-1
T32 T8 Kenny Perry 5 F -17 69 69 65 63 77 343 -1
T37 T33 Scott McCarron 2 F -16 70 62 71 67 74 344 -1
T37 T33 Paul Stankowski* 2 F -16 72 68 66 64 74 344 --1
T37 T25 Matt Gogel 3 F -16 65 70 64 70 75 344 -2
T37 T39 Chris Riley* 1 F -16 67 71 63 70 73 344-2
T37 T49 Duffy Waldorf* E F -16 68 66 73 65 72 344 -1
T37 T62 Esteban Toledo* -3 F -16 66 69 69 71 69 344 --3
T43 T33 Tim Petrovic 3 F -15 68 67 68 67 75 345-3
T43 T33 John Cook 3 F -15 64 71 66 69 75 345 -4
T43 T39 Stewart Cink* 2 F -15 68 68 67 68 74 345 -1
T43 T25 Fred Couples 4 F -15 69 65 69 66 76 345-1
T43 T25 Alex Cejka 4 F -15 69 66 69 65 76 345-3
T43 T49 Andrew Magee* 1 F -15 72 69 65 66 73 345 -2
T43 T56 Steve Jones* E F -15 68 70 69 66 72 345 -1
T43 T56 Joe Durant* E F -15 67 63 74 69 72 345 --3
T51 T39 Geoff Ogilvy* 3 F -14 67 69 70 65 75 346 -4
T51 T19 Robert Gamez 6 F -14 65 70 65 68 78 346 -4
T51 T59 David Toms* E F -14 70 66 69 69 72 346--3
T51 T62 Mark Calcavecchia* -1 F -14 66 66 71 72 71 346-2
T51 T62 Hal Sutton* -1 F -14 72 70 64 69 71 346 -3
56 T49 John Daly* 3 F -13 69 73 64 66 75 347-4
T57 T39 Glen Hnatiuk* 5 F -12 68 65 70 68 77 348-2
T57 T49 David Sutherland* 4 F -12 69 67 69 67 76 348 --1
T57 T62 Tom Lehman* 1 F -12 67 68 73 67 73 348-1
T57 T62 John Senden* 1 F -12 69 68 74 64 73 348 -1
T61 T33 Ben Crane 7 F -11 69 66 69 66 79 349 -3
T61 T49 Patrick Moore* 5 F -11 67 68 65 72 77 349 -2
T61 T59 Fred Funk* 3 F -11 70 71 67 66 75 349 -3
T64 T13 Peter Jacobsen 11 F -10 67 67 68 65 83 350-4
T64 T62 Bob Burns* 3 F -10 67 69 68 71 75 350-4
T66 T39 Corey Pavin* 8 F -9 69 68 69 65 80 351 -4
T66 T49 Shaun Micheel* 7 F -9 65 68 70 69 79 351-3
T66 T62 Cameron Beckman* 4 F -9 69 70 70 66 76 351-4
T66 T62 Jeff Brehaut* 4 F -9 68 65 69 73 76 351 -2
T66 T62 Olin Browne* 4 F -9 68 70 73 64 76 351 -4
71 T62 Spike McRoy* 7 F -6 69 68 72 66 79 354 -1
72 T62 Donnie Hammond* 9 F -4 69 70 63 73 81 356 -2

Might add Pavin and Brown to bad wind confirmation

 

[spang]

Good info Wayne, Thanks for all the great input, and steering me onto DiMarco in the matchups last week.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Spangster you rascal,what brings an elite hoopster as yourself down here big boy

You know Clive something that as always stuck with me concerning your thoughts on carry over of wind.
The wind always blows hard here at Hartland course where Spike played Hooter events and one day when wind was blowing bout 30mph we hit hit the 6th hole which was 1st to play into wind and he said "By the time I reach back nine I'll be cooked."--and he did spit the bit. I asked him later bout it and he said as hard as he tried he could not curb the urge to swing harder with woods inparticular into a strong wind and it through him out of sinc for rest of day.
Might explain his 10 shot swing here!
---and another thing I witnessed that day I've only seen happen once is with the wind to his back,Craig Perks who was paired with Spike carried a dry lake hazard (about 330 carry) on par 5 and was inside 100 yd marker on drive.

 

[baby johnson]

great post guys

 

[Stanley]

I remember a discussion during the TV coverage of the Mercedes a year or two ago which basically concluded that players didn't like to play two weeks in Hawaii as the winds would cause havoc with their swings.

There was just one day of wind in two events, so there was not much effect this year, but I'm sure in future it would be worth opposing players coming off a week in high winds.

Maybe we could call it an Elliott Law of the Trade Winds

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Remember some time back I posted about feud Duval had with Titelist on account of them paying Mick more and when Titelist refused to match he left for Nike.
The saga continues----- :lol:

http://sports.yahoo.golfserv.com/gdc/news/article.asp?Source=YAHOO&id=9917

Herron on wind -I disagree somewhat with writers view as I think going in last rd leading pressure's was as much to blame.
http://sports.yahoo.golfserv.com/gdc/news/article.asp?id=9897

 

[Clive]

Good stuff...don't want to overcook this...
one to keep in mind for the next windy event?

Will keep pondering...