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This really scares the hell out of me. For those of you that are not familiar with Warren Buffet I believe he is the richest man in America, with even more wealth than Das Bill from Mikerrsoft.

A person like this I would believe would have some access to some pretty privileged info. Maybe I am just paranoid but give this a read.

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I don't think that terrorist have any nuclear capability... I know that we have found a small amount of evidence of a dirty bomb, but I just don't think it's a very big threat at all..

I look at it this way, if Bin Laden has/had nukes, then why wouldn't he have used them on Sept 11th instead of the planes?? In those sick videos where he was laughing about the planes hitting the buildings, it was clear that he never expected the towers to fall... I think he got a greater result (in his eyes) than he ever expceted.. If this man would have had access to Nukes (and he would have been first on the list to have access) then he would have used them to start with b/c he had to know that one shot was all he was going to get b/c we would be coming after his ass..

I just think this guy was talking for personal gains.. He does own an insurance company....:nono:
 

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interesting article.

I read that Bin Laden had acquired some plutonium on the black market , but he paid for it and it ended up being set off with a geiger counter but it was not the real stuff. They sold him fake stuff.

So Bin Laden . what do you want it for.

BL- well i figured we could make a big boom and maybe end civilization as we know it.

Street Guy - and over here what will happen over here ?

BL - We will all die in the name of Allah !

Street Guy - so everyone dies ?\ Yes I will get right on that hondo !


If one goes off in the US I think a few big ones will be going other places as we retaliate. It wouldnt be pretty. Why the hell would we tell Iraq that we are not coming now and will see him in 2003 ? that just doesnt sound right to me. something is up there.

Anyone wonder about Karen Hughs leaving like she did ? No way she leaves , she just got too big for her britchs and George had to can her butt. I think she thought she was the President and George probably found out and got mad at her.

Big doins going on in the white house. Alot of things with powell too. They seem split over alot of things. George is really pissed they may have missed the chance to get bin laden early. Franks will lose some stripes over that one.

Its a crazy world but we live here.



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Big Mac, I think they have some capabilities. I think 9/11 was to prove to their backers that they could hit us. The symbolism of the towers going down and the Pentagon getting hit shook america to the core, which may have been equal to what a dirty nuke in a crowded city could do to us.
 

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If Pakistan can make nuclear weapons any one can. People think the materials to make these weapons are extremly hard to get. Remember everyone has there price. When a 3rd world country has the technology and has proven to produce and test nuclear weapons then there is a reason for concern. As far as Buffet goes he's a headline HOG. He loves to be in the news. Why do you think Irag has nuclear weapons? Gift from the U.S. when they where at war with Iran. For that matter Iran-Conta where do you think Iran received there nuclear weapons from. The thing of it is if you want to use your nuclear weapons against the United States be prepared for your country to be unlivable for the next 2,000,000 years. The terrorist do have nuclear weapons. They have a little problem getting them over here to the main land though. They still don't have the missle that can propel it this far. Once they do get that technology then it might be a different ball game, maybe. If terrorist want to attack the US they have to do it quickly. If they launch a missle from the middle east more than likely we will intercept it by the time it gets here. If they wanted to attack the U.S. effectively they would have to send the missle from a closer location (e.g. CUBA). Do you think that Israel has nuclear weapons? Without a doubt. Whom do you think they received that technology from (U.S.)? Just my 2 cents or maybe 3.
 

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in addition.....guess where the Arab nuclear scientists learned their trade?

yep, good ol' USA.....thanks to our slack immigration laws and willingness to let anyone inside our borders -- we have systematically educated Bin Ladin, Hussein, and Qadafi on how to eradicate us
 

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Saddam has always been obsessed with building. The Pharaonic size of his enterprises?vast palaces, gigantic mosques, even the idea of an atom bomb?reflect his self-image as history's hero. He never forgets he was born in Tikrit, home nine centuries ago to the great Saladin, the Islamic victor in the Crusades. Saddam's latest Baghdad palace features columns topped with huge replicas of his own head bearing Saladin's helmet. He shaped the minarets on the grand new Mother of All Battles mosque to resemble the Scud missiles he fired at Israel during the Gulf War. These things give concrete expression?literally?to his central ambition: to be remembered and revered as the leader who restored Iraq and the Arab world generally to their rightful glory. He considers himself, says Charles Duelfer, the former deputy executive chairman of the U.N. weapons-inspection team in Iraq, "the incarnation of the destiny of the Arab people."

Like his hero Stalin, Saddam sees weapons of mass destruction as the great equalizers that give him the global position he craves. A nuke plus a long-range missile make you a world power. Deadly spores and poisonous gases make you a feared one. These are the crown jewels of his regime. He sacrificed the well-being of the Iraqi people and billions of dollars in oil revenues to keep the unconventional weapons he had before the Gulf War and to engage in an open-ended process of acquiring new ones. During the cat-and-mouse game of U.N. inspections that ended in 1998, he seemed determined to hold on to some of everything, as if to keep all options open. The weapons clearly are critical to his ambitions. But no one, perhaps not even Saddam, seems to know what he will do with them.

He appears to have not so much a strategy as a concept of grandeur. He is never satisfied with what he has. He operates by opportunity more than by plan and takes devastating risks if the gambles might expand his power. He believes in the ruthless use of force. When he thought Iran was weak, he invaded. When he thought he could get away with taking Kuwait, he invaded. Such conventional warfare is probably not available to him anymore. But intimidation is just as good, maybe better. Weapons of mass destruction could help him coerce the oil-rich Gulf and other Arab states to act in his favor.

Of course, blatantly using such weapons against his greatest enemies, the U.S. and Israel, would expose him to a nuclear reprisal that would almost surely end his rule. But if he could punish either country and survive, he might do it. He has not contracted out his aggressions up to now. But he might risk supplying terrorists with his deadliest weapons if he saw a way it might redound to his power.

Meanwhile, Saddam is working hard to undercut international support for a U.S. attack on him by deploying his diplomatic weapons. He has found a rich issue to exploit in the Palestinian crisis and has made it a constant theme. His offer of $25,000 to the family of every suicide bomber and every Palestinian family made homeless by the Israeli assault last month on a refugee camp in the West Bank city of Jenin has won wide admiration at home and in the larger Arab world. He is showing muscle in the oil market with his 30-day moratorium on Iraqi oil sales to protest Israel's aggression. He has burnished his reputation as the one Arab leader who says no to Washington and stands up against Israel.

At the same time, he has conducted an astute, quiet campaign to integrate Iraq's economy with those of neighboring countries and to convince Europe that the sanctions are wrong and pointless. He made a rapprochement with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia at the Arab summit in March that he hopes will quiet any regional enthusiasm to join an anti-Saddam coalition. He is playing a fresh chess match with the U.N. on weapons inspections. If he can get more favorable terms, he'll probably let them resume. That would undercut European eagerness for a war on Iraq.

While others would find the situation desperate, Saddam has always managed to make his way through. If the U.S. indeed attacks, his paramount strategy will be to weather the assault, hoping that it will prove inadequate and the world will turn against the Americans before they succeed in taking him down. Until that day comes, if it comes, Saddam will rule on from the shadows that protect him from a lifetime's worth of enemies. For him, as long as he's alive, every birthday that passes is another glorious victory.
 

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Learning how to build a nuclear device pales in comparison to learning guidance and long range launching techniques. We had nuclear capabilities in the 40s but didnt solve the guidance and long-range problems until a few decades later. Right now, Russia is the only "unfriendly" country that has the capability to hit us with a long-range nuclear missile. China is really close but I dont think they are there yet, and when they do get there, I highly doubt they will just give the answers to the terrorists.

I wouldnt be too worried about Bin Laden loading a nuclear device on a plane and dropping it over any major cities.

I am alot more worried about China in the next 10 years than anyone else. They have been preparing for war with the US since the early 70s.
 

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Agree, Kotysdad, China scares me. I also don't trust Russia. Y'all ever hear about Gog and Magog?
 

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Bullshit!

Plutonium isn't just sitting on a shelf somewhere, waiting for some nut to steal it!

A good friend of mine said something to me after the 9/11 shit:

"If these guys want to scare Americans, they need to attack small town folks, not the big cities."

His point being, not everyone lives in a big city, but destruction in "middle America", would strike the hearts of everyone.

Perhaps that is what we are seeing with these pipe bombs?

I wouldn't worry about the nuke scare.
 

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I was watching "Hardball" on MSNBC earlier today & Chris Matthews speaking to a scientist who defected from Iraq.He thinks Sadam should be capable of launching nuclear weapons in 3-7 years.Hopefully by then Sadam will be history.

Although I don't trust either Russia or China,I think the immediate problems are with Iraq & Iran.These countries leaders must be overthrown.Immediately.As mentioned before these countries are fueling the problems in the MiddleEast.They are obviously doing this to keep the focus of the US off of them.

I don't understand why the US is so open about their plans to topple Sadam.Are we that arrogant to think that even if we broadcast our plans,there is nothing that can be done to stop us?

I think the pipe bomber is someone on the scale of the unabomber.Although probably not as intelligent.
 

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Its only a matter of time before a bio-terror attack hits USA



Anthrax: Experts fear a widespread attack

A single biological attack on the US could cause 10 times more deaths than a nuclear strike, claims a report from an influential think-tank.
The Brookings Institution is advising President Bush to concentrate anti-terrorist efforts on thwarting "doomsday" scenarios such as these.

The report, "Protecting the American Homeland", to be published on Tuesday, estimated that the greatest threat is posed by widely dispersed smallpox, anthrax or ebola.



We really should be focusing on potentially catastrophic attacks

Michael O'Hanlon, Brookings Institution
Doctors expert in the lethal nature and potential spread of such infections helped compile it.

It suggests that a nuclear device exploded in a major US city would kill 100,000 people - but that a million could die if large areas were exposed to lethal bacteria and viruses.

In addition to the death toll, hundreds of billions of dollars worth of economic damage could be caused by biological attack, says the report.

Tightened defences

Michael O'Hanlon, from the Brookings Institution, said: "There are an unlimited number of potential vulnerabilities.

"We're going to have to spend some time prioritising and organising our thinking.

"We really should be focusing on potentially catastrophic attacks, meaning large number of casualties or large damage to the economy."

The report urges the government to increase spending on air defences, food safety and cyber-security.

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, the US appointed a Homeland Security Director working to tighten defences against terrorist attacks on American soil.

Shipping attack

The White House is seeking a budget of $38bn for homeland security measures in the 2003 budget - a sum described as insufficient by the Brookings report.

Other "vulnerabilities" identified by the report include the possibility of nuclear attacks on the maritime industry using devices concealed in a shipping container.

Attacks of this kind could cost the economy as much as a trillion dollars in losses.

A successful attack on a nuclear or toxic chemical plant could potentially cause 10,000 casualties, said the analysts.

They stressed that biological attack, particularly with Ebola, was a remote possibility.
 

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In today's edition of USA Today there is an article that is titled....US Warns 3 More Nations:Weapons efforts must stop.

Briefly the article states that the Bush Administration accused Libya,Syria,& Cuba of trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction.It further states that a member of the Bush Team said that the US will do whatever is necessary to keep them from passing on nuclear,chemical,or biological weapons to terrorist networks.

The one country that scares me is Cuba,because of it's location to the US,Canada,& Mexico.This memeber said Cuba has at least a limited offensive biological warfare program & may have shared its expertise with other nations.

I think it is time to put old Fidel out to pasture.
 
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