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AussieVamp2

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so when do their rugby lines go up?

No account there so don't look, and I think you have to log in to see?

Do they come out as early as AFL lines do, or are they not that brave?

Should have a fair idea on the rugby stuff.
 

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Super 12 lines come out 1st thing Tues am. But just ML - they often don't release points spreads until day of game
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I made my lines last night as such:

Blues +9.5 v Hurricanes
Brumbies -8.5 v Chiefs
Cats -14.5 v Bulls
Highlanders -3.5 v Crusaders
Waratahs pk em v Reds
Stormers +2.5 v Sharks

Today's NZ TAB ML:

Blues $2.60 Canes $1.45
Brumbies $1.28 Chiefs $3.50
Highlanders $1.65 Crusaders $2.15
Waratahs $2.05 Reds $1.70
Stormers $1.90 Sharks $1.85
Cats $1.09 Bulls $6.50
 

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Yeah, I don't understand the pointspread thing, really, unless it is a big underdog and weather - they are happy to have a big underdog moneyline for example out there, if there is something they don't know, and would rather lose that than say, at +14.5 1.85 bet?

Don't really get that at all. Not likely they are going to have a team 1.85 and +2.5 or anything, so why wait with the handicap, if they are only going to put one out in fairly standard relation to the moneyline?
 

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Unless, of course, they do well laying the favorites on the ML, get heaps of cash on short priced ones - do line moves suggest that though?
 

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You raise some interesting pts AV; and probably have a far better take on how the books and lines work than me.
Have spent some time at the TAB with their books though for a feature I did for the paper - covert operation for personal reasons too
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I don't really get it either - as you say, the ML should give a fairly standard spread in relation - although often they get a bit tight on the dogs; eg the Blues are $2.60 v the Canes and the Chiefs $3.50 v the Brumbies but the difference in spread probably won't be much more than a point. Do they wait until other books release their spread? Probably.
Your 2nd pt may be close to an answer. Sports betting is still at a very raw stage in NZ and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that they still get a much larger % of sizable wagers on the ML rather than the spread; ie a lot of Kiwi punters who fancy themselves as big spenders probably don't know a lot about value and play the heavy chalks.
The TAB doesn't often move a line - I think the Reds/Highlanders line moved a couple of pts last weekend (in favour of the Reds), which was a real rarity. Their usual ploy is to move the odds; eg from $1.85 down to as low as $1.65 in some case, although usually just to $1.80. Which makes me again think they aren't getting a lot of big spread/points start plays.
That's why I always check their lines (points start-wise) for all NZ sports. I know they have had to set their own lines and I now their info may not be as good as mine
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I was living in NZ when the TAB first introduced sports betting and frankly they were probably the weakest bookmakers on the planet.

I heard many cases where a punter would try to place say a $2k bet, and would be told "we can offer the first $1k at the listed price but the other $1k at a lower price" !!!!

I hope they are braver than that now.

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Anders, something else to check, and some places do that - is that the dog price will be less early in the week and they will wind it out closer to gametime, again being 'safe'.

That makes sense. Centrebet is like that too, MLs first, maybe points in, then handicaps.

The other possibility is that the 'smart guys' play with the handicaps. However, would expect the real gurus to take advantage of moneylines, and may not bet with TABs in general anyway.
 

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I guess if 1000 was their limit Cartman, then that is what they should do sensibly - starting out that would be a smart thing to do?

However, presume that has changed now - not that I care about being able to bet 1000 or not
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AussieVamp,

I am sure the NZ TAB has somewhat got its act together now that they have had Sports Betting for approx 5 years.

Even at the start they were always prepared to accept larger bets (say $2k or $3k) but often not at the listed odds. For example someone wants to put $3k on a team paying $1.85. The NZ TAB might say that they can have $1k @ $1.85 and the other $2k @ $1.75, which is quite laughable really.

I agree with your point about dogs often blowing out just prior to gametime. Centrebet, Sportodds and Tabcorp seem to do this all the time.
 

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Cartman, no, the limit thing makes sense

if you have a limit of 1000 roughly for a favorite bet, then you take the first 1000, move the line, take the next 1000

so if you wanted to bet 3000, when they had a limit of 1000, then 1000 at 1.85, 1.80 then 1.75 makes sensse, bit ugly perhaps giving you the last 2 grand at 1.75 though
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They will accept some pretty large bets though generally only if they can lay them off. Took in over 1 million on the Tua fight but layed a fair amount off. Ebetonline used to put out a newsletter with all their big bets on it. They take a few 10K bets and up each week from a few bigger punters. Some even higher 20K + but they are generally at very low odds 1.07 etc.

They are the perfect example of a clone book with small balls, the only lines they make up are for the NZ sports. Generally only ML and piss poor spreads with too many options like the netball this weekend..

1 Magic by 16+ $10.00
2 Magic by 11-15 $8.00
3 Magic by 6-10 $4.50
4 Magic by 1-5 $3.60
5 Draw $22.00
6 Shakers by 1-5 $4.00
7 Shakers by 6-10 $6.00
8 Shakers by 11+ $9.00

Try beating that !!
 

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Definately agree that it is well worth having a look at the above thread, which offers a very interesting insight into some of the Aussie books and Aussie sports.

A real eye opener.
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Indeedee, just read it all - the Times will soon be thrilled with my breaking story on fixed NRL/Warriors matches
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hmm, you going to change your name then and move to Rio?
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Be a few ugly prop forwards that might not be happy then!
 
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