obama diversion tactics 101/prosecute cia terror investogators

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/24/AR2009082401743.html

so f-cking predictable..."Wee-Wee" gets slapped around on health care and the still sour economy...the nuts in his base are getting restless...., polls start dipping below the 50% mark and presto! the "war crimes" card comes out of his back pocket....

i.e..the evil bush administration....gives the msm the opportunity to re-visit their favorite era...the bushitler era.....

and it takes the focus off the collapsing "public option"....just throw some americans that were trying to save their fellow citizen`s lives under the bus...

despicable,these dudes are....

just despicable...
 
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help wanted:

interrogation/intelligence operatives needed...must have exceptional social skills..ability to deal with difficult situations without resorting to threats of violence...must be fluent in touchy-feely...ability to control anger a must....

urgent need!...we have more openings every day!....

apply on-line at "cia dot com".....:D .

/welcome back to 09/10/01
 

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All former workers from Disneyland, Mr Rogers Neighborhood and Sesame Street are moved to the top of the list, being that they are already used to working in Socialist Utopias :SIB
 

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Holder Names Prosecutor: Progress or Whitewash?

Holder Names Prosecutor: Progress or Whitewash?

Holder Names Prosecutor: Progress or Whitewash?

<!-- By line --><ADDRESS class="byline author vcard">By Eric Etheridge</ADDRESS><!-- The Content -->Today, Attorney General Eric Holder named a prosecutor to investigate ?nearly a dozen? detainee cases involving torture during the Bush Administration and released a long-awaited 2004 report by the C.I.A.?s Inspector General on the same topic. Plus the White House announced that it would continue rendering ?terror suspects to third countries for detention and interrogation, but will monitor their treatment to ensure they are not tortured.? In addition, the White House unveiled its new new Team Interrogation ? officially the High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group ? which will be watched over by the the National Security Council.
All just three days after President Obama decamped Washington, D.C., for Camp David and then Martha?s Vineyard.
Orchestrated much?
Or, as Ben Smith writes at Politico, ?How much does the administration want to talk about torture. So much that they?ve timed a flood of announcements for ? Obama?s vacation.?
The C.I.A. report is heavily redacted but still full of headline-making details, like interrogation via power drill, a mock execution and the threat of sexual assault on the mother of one detainee, which he would be forced to watch.
At the Washington Independent, Spencer Ackerman quickly scanned the document for new details. Among other things, he says, the Inspector General?s report adds to the record on the C.I.A.?s practice of waterboarding. The IG found ?the way the agency practiced waterboarding was different from the way U.S. troops were taught to endure it at Survival Evasion Resistance Escape (SERE) schools ? and different from what the Justice Department?s Office of Legal Counsel thought it was approving in mid-2002.?
From the report:
OIG?s [Office of the Inspector General's] review of the videotapes revealed that the waterboard technique employed at [REDACTED] was different from the technique as described in the DoJ opinion and used in the SERE training. The difference was in the manner in which the detainee?s breathing was obstructed. At the SERE School and in the DoJ opinion, the subject?s airflow is disrupted by the firm application of a damp cloth over the air passages; the interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth in a controlled manner. By contest, the Agency interrogator [REDACTED] continuously applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee?s mouth and nose. One of the psychologists/interrogators acknowledged that the Agency?s use of the technique differed from that used in SERE training and explained that the Agency?s technique is different because it is ?for real? and is more poignant and convincing.
Others, notably Marcy Wheeler, are also scouring the report for its news, but the biggest story of the day may be the other long-awaited report that was not released. That?s the report by the Justice Department?s Office of Responsibility, the one ?which, it has long been reported, concluded that the DOJ lawyers who authored the torture memos (at least John Yoo and Jay Bybee) violated their ethical duties by producing legally fallacious conclusions ? i.e., they issued those memos in bad faith.?
That?s Glenn Greenwald, writing today. He goes on to argue out that ?withholding that OPR Report today is critical because it focuses attention on the flamboyant sideshow of the more extreme cases of CIA abuse, while obscuring the fact that it was high-level DOJ lawyers who, in bad faith, authorized a knowingly criminal torture regime.?
In a post yesterday, Marcy Wheeler anticipated the same outcome:
If it is, indeed, DOJ?s plan to release all the other torture documents save the OPR report, it will have the effect of distracting the media with horrible descriptions of threats with power drills and waterboarding, away from the equally horrible description of lawyers willfully twisting the law to ?authorize? some of those actions. It will shift focus away from those that set up a regime of torture and towards those who free-lanced within that regime in spectacularly horrible ways. It will hide the degree to which torture was a conscious plan, and the degree to which the oral authorizations for torture may well have authorized some of what we?ll see in the IG Report tomorrow.
If it is, indeed, DOJ?s plan to release the IG Report and announce an investigation without, at the same time, releasing the OPR report, it will serve the goal of exposing the Lynndie England?s of the torture regime while still protecting those who instituted that regime.
Once the IG?s report was released, the prosecutor announced and the OPR report withheld, Wheeler?s assessment didn?t change: ?And thus the whitewash starts.?
Greenwald notes that in his statement this morning, Holder says the prosecutor?s initial review is limited only ?to those who hose who failed to ?act in good faith and within the scope of legal guidance? ? meaning only those interrogators and other officials who exceeded the torture limits which John Yoo and Jay Bybee approved. Those who, with good faith, tortured within the limits of the OLC memos will ?be protected from legal jeopardy.??
As a practical matter, Holder is consciously establishing as the legal baseline ? he?s vesting with sterling legal authority ? those warped, torture-justifying DOJ memos. Worse, his pledge of immunity today for those who complied with those memos went beyond mere interrogators and includes everyone, policymakers and lawyers alike: ?the Department of Justice will not prosecute anyone who acted in good faith and within the scope of the legal guidance given by the Office of Legal Counsel regarding the interrogation of detainees.? Thus, as long as, say, a White House official shows that (a) the only torture methods they ordered were approved by the OLC and (b) they did not know those methods were criminal, then they would be entitled to full-scale immunity under the standard Holder announced today.
In addition to the prosecutor?s limited initial brief, Wheeler is also worried about the actual prosecutor named ? John Durham, a career federal prosecutor. She thinks he doesn?t have the weight to pull off the investigation required.
As I said in my panel at Netroots Nation, we?ll know a lot about whether Holder intends to do a real investigation, or just a whitewash investigating the Lynndie Englands, by the stature of the prosecutor he names. And while Durham is already neck deep in the investigation of torture on the torture tapes, he doesn?t necessarily have the stature to go after?say?Jim Haynes and John Rizzo for setting up the torture regime.
I guess Holder wasn?t that serious about investigating torture after all.
At Hullabaloo, blogger dday voices similar concerns: ?The narrowness of this investigation, focused on only the CIA personnel who colored outside the lines set down by moral lepers John Yoo and Jay Bybee, is reprehensible.?
If it only extends that far, we?re seeing a replay of the Abu Ghraib investigation which sent Lynndie England to jail but let those who authorized and directed the abuse free with nary a warning. . . . I hold no brief for the CIA personnel who engaged in this, but confining the mandate to the low men and women on the totem pole will do nothing to chill the potential for such abuse to happen again. If any old lackey in the Office of Legal Counsel can write up an opinion essentially validating torture, and they become de facto legal as long as those using the guidelines follow them generally, we don?t really have a rule of law anymore. And future Presidents will easily discern the loophole in the system.
Not everyone is as pessimistic. At the New Republic, Amanda Silverman wrote a profile of Durham when his name was floated ?as a front runner last month when the idea [for a prosecutor] was growing some initial steam.?
Over a long career with the Justice Department, Durham has cultivated a reputation as a successful, hard-working, publicity shy, non-partisan outsider, and has been working on a case involving the destruction of CIA videotapes for almost two years?an experience that would make him seem an ideal candidate for this new job. However, his entire career seems to have been preparing him for this monumental case. And while Durham won?t be without his hurdles . . . it?s important to keep in mind the one thing repeated by all of his former colleagues in our conversations, ?You underestimate Durham at your own peril.?
And at Balkinization, Deborah Pearlstein is willing to call the events of the day ?a modest victory.?
I think today?s announcement is better understood as a modest victory for the more general (call me quaint) notion that there remains a meaningful distinction between power politics and law. It may well be that the Administration will take at least some kind of political hit for the decision of its Attorney General. Could be the hit will be in lost votes on the Hill. (Ubiquitous health-care-negotiator Senator Grassley (R-IA) is among those who have been vocal in opposing further investigation.) Could be any impact will be tempered (for better or worse) by other, more pressing items on the Administration?s political agenda. Either way, given the President?s repeated statements following the election that he wished to look forward, not back, on questions of accountability for torture, it seems likely the President wouldn?t have picked just now, in the midst of the health care fight of the century, to go down this road if he could avoid it. As it turns out, though, today?s news suggests that it is possible to have a President who actually believes in the prosecutorial independence of the Attorney General. And an Attorney General who actually believes in the law. If reports are true, it?s one good step. We?ll have to see what follows.
At Harper?s, Scott Horton says that Holder strategy reminds him of the Watergate-era move known as the ?modified limited hang-out.? Still, he is willing to trust the process ? as long as Holder coughs up the OPR report.
It would be wrong to believe at the outset that this entire exercise is predetermined and a whitewash. John Durham does not have the sort of credentials I think would have been appropriate for this job?it should have gone to someone whose background makes him a peer of the attorney general, not a senior employee who reports to him. Nonetheless, Durham?s credentials as a prosecutor are impeccable, and his handling of the CIA tapes so far reflects consummate professionalism?particularly because it has been handled aggressively but without leaks to the press, which are the hallmark of the prosecutor who has the wrong motives in mind.
The public should trust Durham to do his job. But the Justice Department should come clean about its unsavory role in this entire affair. That process will start with the publication of the OPR report and the release of documents cited and discussed in it. Holder needs to release these documents immediately, and he should be pressed to account for his failure to do so.
 

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If holder wants to get special prosecuter for anything how about continueing with investigation of himself and Billy Bob 36 last minute pardons including FBI's ten most wanted criminal .

Appears Holder and FBI-Cia have always been on diff side.

The greatest consequence of this (beyond tying hands of our own defence) will be from other agencies around the world reluctance to share any intel with this liberal adminisration.

Wonder if the new (pandering to terrorist approach) will have same success as tactics that prevented these--time will tell



The following is a list of known terror plots thwarted by the U.S. government since Sept. 11, 2001.
? December 2001, Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
? May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced "dirty bomb" to use in an attack against Amrica. Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.
? September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan. Five of six were from Lackawanna,

? May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.
? June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality

? August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers (see additional
? August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York's Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.
? August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.
? June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.
? August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.
? December 2005, Michael Reynolds: Plotted to blow up natural gas refinery in Wyoming, the Transcontinental Pipeline, and a refinery in New Jersey. Reynolds was sentenced to 30 years in prison.
? February 2006, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Zand Wassim Mazloum: Accused of providing material support to terrorists, making bombs for use in Iraq.
? April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee: Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.
? June 2006, Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine: Accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower.
? July 2006, Assem Hammoud: Accused of plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels.
? August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot: Thwarted plot to explode ten airliners over the United States.
? March 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Mohammedalso plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.
? May 2007, Fort Dix Plot: Six men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and killing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.
? June 2007, JFK Plot: Four men are accused of plotting to blow up fuel arteries that run through residential neighborhoods at JFK Airport in New York.
? September 2007, German authorities disrupt a terrorist cell that was planning attacks on military installations and facilities used by Americans in Germany. The Germans arrested three suspected members of the Islamic Jihad Union, a group that has links to Al Qaeda and supports Al Qaeda's global jihadist agenda.



The below would like to say :00hour to this admin.





 
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and dtb,the black panther voter intimidation charges were dropped....holder doesn`t give a rat`s ass about the law(unless it benefits his bosses).....

if this administration keeps sticking it`s finger in the eye of the cia,we may well see leaks like the ones that undermined every aspect of bush adm. covert policy....

this is such a bad precedent...if an investigation moves forward, we are going to see a lot of career cia officers start to retire....who the hell wants to do work for an agency when it might land you in jail and ruin your life and the lives of your family when the next administration comes in?....

slippery slope, obama-dude.....very slippery...
 

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slippery slope, obama-dude.....very slippery...

Very Slippery, just about as slippery as the slope was in Fort Marcy Park for Vince Foster?

"Don't believe a word you hear. It was not suicide. It couldn't have been." -Assistant Attorney General Webster Hubbell, 7/20/93, cited in Esquire, 11/93.

 

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I thought one of BO's election mantras was "look at the future and now dwell in the past."

I guess like many of those promises, he is breaking this one as well.

How many people really care if we harshly interrogate someone who has planned actions that have led to the death of dozens or more Americans? Is there a significant part of the population that is concerned about that?
 

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Two views I read this morning --
from Herbert Meyer
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...nts_attack_on_the_cia_really_means_98045.html

President Bush made the same kind of decision that FDR had made 60 years earlier. Rather than just go after those who had launched the attack on our homeland, he undertook a Global War on Terrorism to defeat all of those states and groups that subscribed to the radical Islam ideology. Just like FDR, President Bush threw the switch from defense to offense. Whether he played offense well or poorly during his years in office is something that historians will debate for the next thousand years. But there's no doubt that after 9-11 the US was playing offense.
That's now over. Look hard at everything President Obama has said and done -- this week's attack on the CIA, his banishment of the phrase "Global War on Terrorism" and its replacement with the milquetoast "overseas contingency operations," his apologetic Cairo speech, his seeming indifference to the recent bombings in Iraq, his unwillingness to seize the opportunity of the students' uprising in Iran to knock over that dangerous regime, his trashing of our special relationship with Israel, and all the rest including his longtime personal relationships with vicious America-haters like Bill Ayers and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright -- and the conclusion is inescapable: President Obama is throwing the switch from offense back to defense, and returning the US to its September 10 mindset.
The Two Futures We Face
One way or the other, the President's historic decision is going to settle the debate over the war that now divides us.
If President Obama and his supporters are right -- that what confronts us isn't a war but merely a complex international law-enforcement problem -- in the coming years not much will happen. We'll see the occasional bombing here or there, every so often an airliner will inexplicably fall out of the sky, and in a half-dozen or so countries most of us cannot even find on a map some previously unheard-of groups of thugs will seize power. But with the exception of those few of us unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, life will go on.
But if President Bush and those of us who supported him are right -- that we are in the midst of a global war on whose outcome rests the survival of Western civilization -- the future will unfold in a different and much less pleasant way. The forces of radical Islam will surge, our "allies" will cave in to pressure and cut deals with our mortal enemies, and at some point down the road -- seven years from now, three years from now, or perhaps next Tuesday -- something ghastly will happen.

<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> checkTextResizerCookie('article_body'); </SCRIPT>Herbert E. Meyer served during the Reagan Administration as Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence and Vice Chairman of the CIA's National Intelligence Council. He holds the U.S. National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal, which is the Intelligence Community's highest honor. He is author of The Cure for Poverty and How to Analyze Information.

the 2nd article was a pesrons account of 911.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-day-wall-street-was-shaken-to-its-core-2009-08-26

--or maybe a simple video of that day would suffice to put into perspective--

--what was done by our protectors to prevent radical muslims from doing it again.

vs the liberals in power opposite approach of going after those that kept us safe--and pandering to the terrorist.

I have an idea the "Puss and Boots" (O and Holder) have put yet another nail in their political coffin--and are reminding of true liberal philosophy.






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Two views I read this morning --
from Herbert Meyer
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...nts_attack_on_the_cia_really_means_98045.html

President Bush made the same kind of decision that FDR had made 60 years earlier. Rather than just go after those who had launched the attack on our homeland, he undertook a Global War on Terrorism to defeat all of those states and groups that subscribed to the radical Islam ideology. Just like FDR, President Bush threw the switch from defense to offense. Whether he played offense well or poorly during his years in office is something that historians will debate for the next thousand years. But there's no doubt that after 9-11 the US was playing offense.
That's now over. Look hard at everything President Obama has said and done -- this week's attack on the CIA, his banishment of the phrase "Global War on Terrorism" and its replacement with the milquetoast "overseas contingency operations," his apologetic Cairo speech, his seeming indifference to the recent bombings in Iraq, his unwillingness to seize the opportunity of the students' uprising in Iran to knock over that dangerous regime, his trashing of our special relationship with Israel, and all the rest including his longtime personal relationships with vicious America-haters like Bill Ayers and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright -- and the conclusion is inescapable: President Obama is throwing the switch from offense back to defense, and returning the US to its September 10 mindset.
The Two Futures We Face
One way or the other, the President's historic decision is going to settle the debate over the war that now divides us.
If President Obama and his supporters are right -- that what confronts us isn't a war but merely a complex international law-enforcement problem -- in the coming years not much will happen. We'll see the occasional bombing here or there, every so often an airliner will inexplicably fall out of the sky, and in a half-dozen or so countries most of us cannot even find on a map some previously unheard-of groups of thugs will seize power. But with the exception of those few of us unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, life will go on.
But if President Bush and those of us who supported him are right -- that we are in the midst of a global war on whose outcome rests the survival of Western civilization -- the future will unfold in a different and much less pleasant way. The forces of radical Islam will surge, our "allies" will cave in to pressure and cut deals with our mortal enemies, and at some point down the road -- seven years from now, three years from now, or perhaps next Tuesday -- something ghastly will happen.

<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> checkTextResizerCookie('article_body'); </SCRIPT>Herbert E. Meyer served during the Reagan Administration as Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence and Vice Chairman of the CIA's National Intelligence Council. He holds the U.S. National Intelligence Distinguished Service Medal, which is the Intelligence Community's highest honor. He is author of The Cure for Poverty and How to Analyze Information.

the 2nd article was a pesrons account of 911.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-day-wall-street-was-shaken-to-its-core-2009-08-26

--or maybe a simple video of that day would suffice to put into perspective--

--what was done by our protectors to prevent radical muslims from doing it again.

vs the liberals in power opposite approach of going after those that kept us safe--and pandering to the terrorist.

I have an idea the "Puss and Boots" (O and Holder) have put yet another nail in their political coffin--and are reminding of true liberal philosophy.






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Obama is throwing the switch back to pre 911 mode ???? Is that the same mode that allowed 911 to happen under bush/cheney ????? I hope not .... bush/cheney did't go on the offense, they weren't progressive.... They reacted after we were attacked... going on the offense is pre-emptive stirkes... These people in the bush/cheney administration didn't know who the enemy was pre 911 and they still don't... How can you defeat the enemy you don't understand ? This article is BS for dummies by a guy that thinks he's smarter than he is. The funniest/sad thing about the whole thing... Some people think they kept us safe. The biggest hit on America came on their watch..
 

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Seize the opportunity of the uprising of students in Iran ??????? What should he have done ? What should this President or any President have done ??? Maybe some bush/cheney tough talk ? :shrug: One question... When was the last time America backed a person or an uprising in the region and it turned out well for us ? How'd we do with bin laden, shah of iran, or saddam ???
 

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To compare 43 to FDR is a fucking joke.... The debate is over for most Historians , bush/cheney foreign policy & execution will go down as one of the bigggest failures in American History...Herbert Meyers and people of like thinking is the reason 911 happened. Clearly evident by this article that this guy rose to a level way over his pay grade.... 911 didn't happen, we let it happen... We waste billions defending this Country with impact from the likes of Meyers... If you agree with this article & Meyers, there is zero hope for you. This guy Meyers can be shreded on many fronts...
 
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