obama "redeploys " from north carolina debate

gardenweasel

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barack backs down from scheduled north carolina debate vs hillary....

wonder why?...

i mean,the guy says he`ll face bin laden,the muslim brotherhood,ahmadinnerjacket...but,he can`t face shrillary coming down the stretch?.....

the pantsuit should hire a guy in a chicken suit to stalk obama`s campaign.....with a "scared to debate" sign attached to the feathers....

and in eddie haskell`s words,"the hillbillies out in n.c. and the rednecks and the cousin-loving bible thumping democrats out them thar awayz, mite get a thunkin that hussein don't cair four theym by not debaitin."........

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oh boy...the thin air at the convention in denver should make it easier to throw chairs....lol


btw...if obama guts this out,anybody think he`s got the stones to make shrill his v.p. nominee?.... i know hillary would want it...... she has all but asked for it..

she'd like obama to be HER number 2 or 3 or 4 or whatever.. but will she get in line for president?..

hell yes...... let me count the ways.. accident, assassin, bad heart, bad drugs,bungled operation, car wreck.. and thats just a to c.....

the pantsuit knows the entire alphabet..

imo,she`s in for the number 2 slot like a shot(no pun intended).......
 

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Obama's already done more debates in 6 months than Dubya in a lifetime. What's the big deal?
 

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no...would just hate to think that that after finally getting some tough questions asked in the last debate,that "o"`s nuts are shriveling up....

i think he believes that if he does not debate then nobody has a chance to "swift boat"(lol) him again....which says to me that those "hard" questions he is complaining about are really hitting home and he really IS rattled...... one short step from completely losing his game.....

and i want to know that the guy doesn`t have issues..abandonment issues.....i think all these reprehensible characters he associates with are psychological "stand-ins" for the muslim father he never got to know...the one that abandoned him....who's approval he desperately craves but can never really get..

his adopted father figure is jeremiah wright....our president-to-be`s closest confidant is a cerified race hustler..who rubs elbows with farakhan.... i don`t like that...but,more importantly,i want him to face-down shrillary...

back on point,in a nutshell,i know baraky doesn`t want my signature line to be:"when hillary reared her ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled"...

i don`t my future president running from the pantsuit...i don`t want to hear "buc...buc...buc...ba-rAAAK" or any other disparaging comments about my future president....

get in there and fight,barry!!...


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Obama's already done more debates in 6 months than Dubya in a lifetime. What's the big deal?

--yep but the last one was a bit different Smurph.

He'd looked like a deer in the headlights when he got grilled on issues everyone else had been avoiding entire campaign--would safely say any chances for further debates would have same odds as him appearing on Fox. :)

Will be looking at tabulations in N.C. primary to see if recent character probes have had any impact.

N.C. has almost identicle demographic make up of Virigina where he topped Hiliary 58% to 35%.
 

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Maybe just a Opp's. But N C never was on schedule for a debate. There was also talk about Indiana. But with both same day that schedule never made it in. And last since Hill can't beat him no matter what happens today many feal she will drop. So there was none scheduled. But of course Hill team will try to spin it. After 23 dem debates I agree over kill.
 

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There is no reason to do any more debates.

I watched Hillary on Larry King last night for as long as I could .

Talk about a push button auto answer machine.

And everyone knows she is more full of bs than a christmas turkey.

She is not elitist, making her 102 million last year.
She cares about the little guys about as much as gw cares for Obama .

She makes me ill.
 

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I'm sure that a couple people here would love to see another Obama bash fest like the last debate, rehashing the same personal stuff that has been brought up ad-nauseum over the past few weeks/months, that he has already addressed - and pretty completely. Maybe if this was a debate on issues that affect the country and America a bit more, and not what the last one was like, he might favor it more. The last one was a joke, IMO, where the two posers tried to come off as being "tough" and/or insightful, and just came off looking like an intern wanna-be and a grouchy professor. People have already made up their minds about Obama and his lineage and connections, pro and con. DEFINITELY con...right? A couple in here, that's for sure.

The fact remains that in North Carolina, he is considered to be the strong favorite, and definitely has the most to lose, especially if the "debate" centers on the crap like the last one. I can certainly see why he would not want to do it - of course Hillary does, and the republicans will use that to bash him and say he is afraid. He will never convince those that have already taken a stance against him, and he certainly has more to lose than gain by doing it. Makes sense to me...I don't think he's afraid of any of these yahoos, personally. If any of these people can talk smartly and sensibly, it's Obama. And they just had a debate last week - he's hardly avoiding them, for crying out loud.

Pretty weak analogy here, if you ask me. Of course you didn't, but there you go.
 

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Also don't think you're portraying this properly, either, Wease. Not surprising, but anyway...

Obama had never agreed on a date for this - the original date was approved by him, but Hillary turned that one down after thinking about it for three weeks due to Passover. Then, Hillary proposed a new one, which Obama did not agree to, and she makes that a political issue. Funny...

According to CBS News vice-president, it was canceled due to both candidates situations. But don't let that get in the way of a good Obama-ripping.

There have been 21 Democratic Debates. And now this one proves that Obama is scared of debating Hillary. What a freaking joke...:rolleyes:
 

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Maybe Hillary will cry again .

Since over 56% of Americans believe she is dishonest, lies at the drop of a hat, and would
kill to win the Presidency.:scared
 

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A recent Gallup Poll found that 53 percent of Americans think Clinton isn't "honest and trustworthy." Just 29 percent said the same of her Democratic rival Barack Obama, and 27 percent said it of Republican John McCain.

Gallup analyst Jeffrey Jones called the credibility gap between Clinton and McCain "the largest between any two candidates for any dimension tested."

Another recent poll, this one conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center before Clinton had to back down from her account of her Bosnia trip, found that 29 percent of white Democrats considered her a "phony," almost twice as many as the 15 percent who described Obama that way.

Pew researchers concluded that Democrats' views of Clinton "are more influenced by perceptions that she is phony than by any other trait or emotion tested."

More than just a passing complaint, the doubts about her honesty color overall opinions of her, said Andrew Kohut, the director of the Pew center.

"There's some deep perception of her," Kohut said. "What the analysis shows is this perception of being a phony is a real driver ? this has an impact on her overall favorability rating."

In the most recent primary state, Mississippi, an exit poll found that only 49 percent of Democratic primary voters thought Clinton was "honest and trustworthy" and 50 percent said they didn't think she was.

By contrast, 70 percent of primary voters there said they thought Obama was honest and trustworthy; 29 percent didn't.

Obama won Mississippi.

A series of polls in earlier primary states for McClatchy and MSNBC found a 12-point "honesty gap" for Clinton. Likely primary voters looking for honesty as the most important quality in a candidate broke for Obama over Clinton by an average of 40-28 percent.

Her worst state was Iowa, where she was third among "honesty" voters behind Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards. She finished third behind them in the Iowa caucuses, a disappointing result that helped knock her off her perch as the front-runner for the nomination.

How did she get the reputation?

Some of the charges against her are dubious.

One, for example, says she exaggerated her role in pushing through medical coverage for uninsured children. But a new independent review by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania found her version credible.

Another accuses her of fabricating a story about daughter Chelsea Clinton being close to the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. "She invented the entire story," said former Bill Clinton political adviser and now Clinton nemesis Dick Morris. Yet while Clinton got some details wrong, her daughter has said that she was near the Trade Center when it collapsed.

Other charges, however, hold up, most notably challenges to her repeated boast that she flew into Bosnia under sniper fire and raced across the tarmac to the safety of waiting vehicles. Videotape of her arrival clearly shows a safe, routine airport reception. Caught in the contradiction between her words and the facts, she said she "misspoke."

Thursday night she mocked herself on "The Tonight Show" with Jay Leno: "I was worried I wasn't going to make it," she said. "I was pinned down by sniper fire."

This wasn't the first time that her honesty has been challenged.

She's exaggerated her role in some political successes, such as passage of the Family and Medical Leave Act, which allowed people to take unpaid time off of work to care for the ill. She played no noticeable role that history records.

She's also given downright misleading answers when pressed about some controversies, such as the removal of documents from the safe of a dead White House lawyer or her role in the decision to fire the entire White House Travel Office staff. Facts that emerged after her explanations of both instances contradicted her accounts.

"She is not seen as trustworthy by the American people," said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe in a recent memo, hoping to raise doubts about her in the eyes of the delegates who'll choose the Democratic presidential nominee.

"It will be next to impossible to win a general election if more than half the electorate believes that you're not trustworthy. ... This is going to be a real important issue, as superdelegates and voters decide who they think would be most electable in the fall. The American people simply are not going to elect someone that they believe is not being honest and trustworthy."

But at least one analyst said that Clinton could survive questions about her honesty, as her husband did.

"She's fought that from the days of his presidency from Travelgate," the flap over the White House Travel Office, said Bruce Gronbeck, a communications professor at the University of Iowa.

"I don't ever expect her to have strong trust numbers. (But) she has an amazing ability to recover. She's an extraordinary healer. She can heal herself and carry on."

SOME CASES WHERE CLINTON'S HONESTY HAS BEEN CHALLENGED

The White House Travel Office:

After Clinton's husband took office, his administration fired all the employees of the White House Travel Office, replacing them with friends.

Clinton later told investigators she had "no role in the decision" to fire them and didn't know the "origin of the decision."

In a memo that was discovered later, however, former White House aide David Watkins said Clinton had said, "We need those people out and we need our people in." The Office of Independent Counsel said there was overwhelming evidence that she'd played a role in the firings and called her denials "factually false."
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Vince Foster:

After her friend, former Arkansas law partner and White House lawyer Vince Foster killed himself, Clinton said she had no idea why her White House Chief of Staff, Maggie Williams, who's now her campaign manager, had removed documents from Foster's White House safe. "I don't know that she did remove any documents," Clinton said.

It was later revealed, however, that White House lawyer Bernard Nussbaum, a close ally of Clinton, had removed files and handed one labeled "Whitewater" to Williams, who took it to the Clintons' White House residence. It also was revealed that Williams had acted at Clinton's direction.:scared :scared

The Family and Medical Leave Act:

Her campaign Web site boasts that her record includes "helping to pass the Family and Medical Leave Act."

But the bill was pushed in Congress for years and passed twice, only to be vetoed by former President George H.W. Bush. Congress passed it a third time as Bill Clinton took office. He signed it into law on Feb. 5, 1993, barely two weeks after he became president.

Hillary Clinton's own White House schedules, recently released, make no mention of any meetings on the bill.:scared :scared

The North American Free Trade Agreement:

Clinton claims that she privately opposed the North American Free Trade Agreement when her husband pushed it through Congress.

But her recently released appointment schedule from her years as first lady reveal instead that she made private pitches for the trade agreement.

The State Children's Health Insurance Program:

Clinton claims that she played a key role in pushing through the State Children's Health Insurance Program, boasting in a campaign ad that she "got health insurance for 6 million kids."

Some news organizations, as well as the Obama campaign, call that claim false.

But an independent review by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania took a second look and found her account credible. Said the center's Brooks Jackson: "Clinton is right on this one."

Africa:

Speaking in Pennsylvania two weeks ago, Clinton introduced former U.S. Ambassador Joe Wilson. "He and I did travel together to Africa and, sort of, paved the way for the president's trip the following year, which was historic," Clinton said.

But Wilson didn't accompany Clinton on her March 1997 trip to Africa. Wilson did accompany both Clintons on the president's 1998 Africa visit.

"She made a mistake on that," Wilson said. "She misspoke on that. I worked closely with her and her staff on the president's trip, which she went on."
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The Clinton administration official who accompanied Clinton on her 1997 trip was Susan Rice, who's now a senior foreign policy adviser to the Obama campaign.

Chelsea Clinton and Sept. 11:

Clinton nemesis Dick Morris accuses her of fabricating a story about daughter Chelsea Clinton being close to the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001.

"She invented the entire story on national television," Morris said. "And didn't blink an eye."

Here's what really happened:

Clinton said Chelsea had gone on "what she thought was going to be a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and, and, that's when the plane hit."

Responding to a question about whether her daughter heard the "rumble," Clinton said, "She did hear it."

Weeks later, Chelsea Clinton told a magazine that she was in an apartment 12 blocks away when the first plane hit. A UPI article said she was outdoors closer to the site when "she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing."

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If anyone else were caught in this many lies they would not have a chance in hell to lead America,

Well George W probably lied about as much
 

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Did anyone bring this up in the debate? This silly shit for simpletons? Looks like Hillary's right hand man here in Pa has a very nice opinion of a guy we are instructed to look down on. I don't want to come in between Weasels new found love for Hillary just like OReilly con him into having but i have to be fair.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/ed-rendell-clinton-surrog_n_97784.html

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Too bad Obama didnt have this at his fingertips

during the debate. Clinton is so phoney she squeaks.
 

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56% of Americans believe she would kill to win the Presidency? Link, please.

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Chadman - You talkin to me ! You talkin to me !
 

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Theories

One theory suggests that Foster was murdered to prevent his revealing information derogatory to Clinton, about Whitewater, Travelgate, or other matters, or that Hillary Clinton was somehow involved by covering up activities together with Foster before his death.[18] Aides to Hillary Clinton --- Maggie Williams (formerly of the Children's Defense Fund) and Craig Livingston (a bar bouncer discovered and employed in a security capacity by Hillary Clinton) --- surreptitiously took unidentified files from Foster's office before the Secret Service or FBI could secure the premises.[citation needed]

Another theory claims a romantic relationship between Foster and Hillary Clinton.[19][20] Variation on this theory abound, include some claiming that she had killed Foster herself [21] or had him killed.[22] No credible evidence or charges were ever brought forward in connection with any of these allegations.

With respect to this case, conspiracy theorists are largely divided into two groups. Some suspect that Foster committed suicide in a location that was embarrassing to figures connected to the Clinton administration and that government agents dumped his body in the park. Others suspect that Foster died from a shot from a small-caliber pistol to the neck and his body was dumped in the park. A book by Christopher Andersen entitled Bill and Hillary: The Marriage claims that Foster and Hillary Clinton were involved in an affair, and that the supposed affair was related to Foster's death.[19]
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